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« on: June 08, 2006, 16:13:41 »

i don't see the point in relgion at all its for people who are living in the old days, you beleive in relgigion why not beleive the earth is still flat, come on who can walk on water, and really i know we all wish and want to beleive this one but water to wine? not a chance

religion is for people who need somewhere to turn when they don't beleive in science

and so much for relgion keeping people in order, by thinking they will go to hell, i know the only place i am going when i die is 6ft under, how can anyone beleive you go to heaven or hell i do not know, i mean where exacually is heaven then, its surpose to be in the sky but then again we can't see it, we can see the sun and moon and other planets though. and how can u beleive that everyone who has ever lived, like from prehistoric people to the person who last died in the world can go to one of two places? i mean it would be abit full by now wouldn't it?
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2006, 16:16:19 »

Science and religion both require faith to a degree. I think its good to hae a spiritual aspect to life. Organised religion is easily corruptable tho. But you could say the same to a worse degree about government.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2006, 16:19:12 »

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2006, 16:20:23 »

Let the can of worms open.....

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2006, 16:26:08 »

Let the can of worms open.....
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2006, 16:27:31 »

Let the can of worms open.....
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Oh come on its such a massive topic you could debate it over and over again and still have scope for more discussion.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2006, 16:28:11 »

yeah fair enough, but you dont have to accept all those factual, scriptural things to believe theres a higher being, or plan, or that theres some kind of  'eternity'  beyond our realm. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 16:30:20 »

i don't see the point in relgion at all its for people who are living in the old days, you beleive in relgigion why not beleive the earth is still flat, come on who can walk on water, and really i know we all wish and want to beleive this one but water to wine? not a chance

religion is for people who need somewhere to turn when they don't beleive in science

and so much for relgion keeping people in order, by thinking they will go to hell, i know the only place i am going when i die is 6ft under, how can anyone beleive you go to heaven or hell i do not know, i mean where exacually is heaven then, its surpose to be in the sky but then again we can't see it, we can see the sun and moon and other planets though. and how can u beleive that everyone who has ever lived, like from prehistoric people to the person who last died in the world can go to one of two places? i mean it would be abit full by now wouldn't it?

It stikes me that you've got an over simplified view of "religion" and that you reject anything that isn't within your own experience. So, here's a couple of things for starters:

1) Believing in religion is a VERY different kettle of fish to believeing the world is flat. The latter is very easy to scientifically disprove, but it is generally impossible for the former.
2) Who can walk on water or turn water into wine? Well not a normal human, that's for sure! But in those two cases it's not claimed that a normal human achienved these things.
3) It is true that organised religions have been used as a form of control - it is important to separate this from the underlying faith. For example, you cannot dismiss the faith of Islam just because of extremists commiting acts of terrorism while claiming Jihad.

Here are a few previous threads on the subject:
http://www.hijackbristol.co.uk/board/index.php/topic,5318.0.html
http://www.hijackbristol.co.uk/board/index.php/topic,16096.0.html
http://www.hijackbristol.co.uk/board/index.php/topic,17619.0.html


edit: Rachel, if you wanna discuss it, then please at least scan read those threads first, and get a login - I for one ain't gunna go into such a deep topic with an anonomous guest. Two Thumbs
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 16:31:03 »

yeah far enough, but you dont have to accept all those factual, scriptural things to believe theres a higher being, or plan, or that theres some kind of  'eternity'  beyond our realm. 

Yeah this is my sorta POV
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 16:33:53 »

Belief in god and belief in science are not incompatible.
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2006, 16:34:42 »

All i can say is thank God for atheism!
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2006, 16:35:35 »

Belief in god and belief in science are not incompatible.

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2006, 17:11:13 »

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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2006, 17:13:26 »

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2006, 17:15:44 »

Belief in god and belief in science are not incompatible.

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Im a christian, but not one of those silly ones that refuses to believe everything science says. The way i look at it is this. Science can answer a lot of the 'how' questions. But science can never answer any of the 'why' questions. For example, science can tell us how our world was made, but will probably never be able to tell us why it was made. The why part is what religion trys to tell us. (i think i've worded my explanation really badly  Sad)

And yeah, as ashadeofnight said science also requires a slight degree of faith. Most scientific theories, ie the big bang, evolution, have never really completely been proved. Their just theories that are very probable.
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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2006, 17:15:57 »

i dont believe in any afterlife/heaven/hell etc. Once we die, thats it. Underground with the worms for a bit of piece and quiet  Bad Teeth
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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2006, 17:54:45 »

religion is for people who need somewhere to turn when they don't beleive in science

No. Religion answers the questions science can't. It's just naive to think that science will ever tell us everything.
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2006, 17:57:20 »

i dont believe in any afterlife/heaven/hell etc. Once we die, thats it. Underground with the worms for a bit of piece and quiet  Bad Teeth

surely all minimal djs go to a great big ket party in the sky where villalobos plays records nonstop and it's always 5am in the morning?  Tongue
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2006, 18:22:04 »

whether religion is right or wrong is irrelevant I think and not for me to say, but it is important to have spiritual faith, not neccisarily in a deity... but certainly in humanity, and definatly within yourself

I think you have come on here, Rachel to try and start a heated debate, to say that religion is somewhere to turn when you dont believe in science is really naive of you, for the structures inbedded in religion helps millions of people to explain the world around them... without religion would there be mass panic?

I'm inclined to believe you, I dont believe in a deity, but I believe in spirit so I suppose that makes me a spiritual person, I certainly wouldn't be brave enough to declare that all religion is a load of twaddle, because I may be wrong

Belief systems are complicated things and I dont think its as black and white as you spell out, and I think that its important for humanity to have faith (even if it does cause a few arguments)

Religion helps people on a day to day level, often easing the pain of life events that science forgets, like the death of a loved one. I wouldn't want to deny someone that comfort just because I dont believe a few stories in the Bible/Koran etc.
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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2006, 18:23:51 »

Science can answer a lot of the 'how' questions. But science can never answer any of the 'why' questions. For example, science can tell us how our world was made, but will probably never be able to tell us why it was made.

Assuming there IS a 'why' - it could all be purely arbitrary...
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2006, 18:27:29 »

i dont believe in any afterlife/heaven/hell etc. Once we die, thats it. Underground with the worms for a bit of piece and quiet  Bad Teeth

surely all minimal djs go to a great big ket party in the sky where villalobos plays records nonstop and it's always 5am in the morning?  Tongue

 Laughing Laughing i surely hope not (9am maybe  Wink)
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2006, 18:58:29 »

i dont believe in any afterlife/heaven/hell etc. Once we die, thats it. Underground with the worms for a bit of piece and quiet  Bad Teeth

surely all minimal djs go to a great big ket party in the sky where villalobos plays records nonstop and it's always 5am in the morning?  Tongue

 Laughing Laughing i surely hope not (9am maybe  Wink)

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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2006, 19:30:25 »

Not going to argue with someone with such bad grammer and spelling  Tongue

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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2006, 19:56:41 »




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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2006, 19:57:33 »




If there was no religion, this picture wouldn't be funny.

It's expecially hilarious for people not logged into DOA
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2006, 20:01:07 »

It's expecially hilarious for people not logged into DOA

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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2006, 20:01:40 »




If there was no religion, this picture wouldn't be funny.

It's expecially hilarious for people not logged into DOA

I just thought it was my computers fault why I can't see the pic
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2006, 20:05:01 »

Science can answer a lot of the 'how' questions. But science can never answer any of the 'why' questions. For example, science can tell us how our world was made, but will probably never be able to tell us why it was made.

Assuming there IS a 'why' - it could all be purely arbitrary...

It could, but since you can't say with any certainty whether or not it is, believing 'it is all arbitrary' counts as religion (or at least faith), doesn't it?
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« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2006, 20:38:05 »

Science can answer a lot of the 'how' questions. But science can never answer any of the 'why' questions. For example, science can tell us how our world was made, but will probably never be able to tell us why it was made.

Assuming there IS a 'why' - it could all be purely arbitrary...

It could, but since you can't say with any certainty whether or not it is, believing 'it is all arbitrary' counts as religion (or at least faith), doesn't it?

This is a very good, albeit slightly confusing, point.  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2006, 20:42:25 »

I just want to call the originator of this thread an idiot.
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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2006, 20:48:06 »

I just want to call the originator of this thread an idiot.
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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2006, 20:53:57 »

SHE HAD IT COMING I SWEAR.
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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2006, 21:29:45 »


I am religious and being religious has allowed me to become more rounded and i believe a better person than i would have been had religion not been in my life, It gives me something to turn to when science cannot. My faith has helped me in times of need and has been something for me to turn to when nobody else has been available to listen. Saying i turn to religion when i don't believe in science is rubbish, like dualist said science can explain the how, whilst religion can help me to explain the why, science and religion can co-exist within a modern society. Religion of all descriptions are more than just beliefs and can still play a role within modern society. Religion is a way of acting towards others around you and the world around yourself, many of the values, laws and culture of this country are based upon religious values, it is the same throughout most of the world. I don't really know what i want to say, but religion should not be dismissed completely as a bunch of old fashioned drivel.
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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2006, 21:48:49 »

i mean where exacually is heaven then, its surpose to be in the sky but then again we can't see it, we can see the sun and moon and other planets though.

That's fucking profound.

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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2006, 21:51:56 »

i mean where exacually is heaven then, its surpose to be in the sky but then again we can't see it, we can see the sun and moon and other planets though.

That's fucking profound.

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« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2006, 07:27:08 »

Not going to argue with someone with such bad grammer and spelling  Tongue

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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2006, 10:44:28 »

Science can answer a lot of the 'how' questions. But science can never answer any of the 'why' questions. For example, science can tell us how our world was made, but will probably never be able to tell us why it was made.
Assuming there IS a 'why' - it could all be purely arbitrary...
It could, but since you can't say with any certainty whether or not it is, believing 'it is all arbitrary' counts as religion (or at least faith), doesn't it?

True, which is why I said "could" - not "is". Wink
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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2006, 10:50:07 »

This is a certfied waste topic...............Its just gonna cause beef n disagreements, which there has been more than enough of over the past 3 weeks.

(Which I was a part of, but I have now calmed down  Grin)
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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2006, 10:51:24 »

i dont believe in any afterlife/heaven/hell etc. Once we die, thats it. Underground with the worms for a bit of piece and quiet  Bad Teeth

surely all minimal djs go to a great big ket party in the sky where villalobos plays records nonstop and it's always 5am in the morning?  Tongue

i died once already then... Bad Teeth
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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2006, 11:57:38 »

This is a certfied waste topic...............Its just gonna cause beef n disagreements, which there has been more than enough of over the past 3 weeks.

(Which I was a part of, but I have now calmed down  Grin)

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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2006, 12:25:13 »

I find it too easy to see why religion was created to believe that it is real.
when the ground was shaking and fire was coming out of mountains and everyone was asking why, of course it had to be something of great power that created it.
then when leaders got the taste for power it was a lot easier to get the masses to follow you if you instilled the fear of god into them, as a king if you wanted them to pay taxes then you could say it was God's will, with centuries of instilled fear to back you up.

fair enough that's really over simplified but i'm in work and it's too nice a day to go into it further, also it's my own personal view and I don't expect anyone else to follow.

I have the utmost respect for anyone with a faith of any kind, as long as it is not hurting others. if following the philosophy of a religion helps and guides somebody through life and helps them to be a better person then fantastic, but i've come out alright on my own thanks.
I actually rebelled against my parents by going to chapel every sunday when I was young, so that i could find out what it was all about. I then decided for myself that it wasn't a road i wanted to take.

most rligion have rules, which when you look at them are basic rules for living in society. of course don't kill others, of course don't p1ss off thy neighbour, or the leader of that group whether king or PM is going to have a tough time getting things settled. people wanted an easy life then as they do now, and as i said before, putting the fear of God into peopel helped keep them in line.

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« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2022, 16:45:09 »

i don't see the point in relgion at all its for people who are living in the old days, you beleive in relgigion why not beleive the earth is still flat, come on who can walk on water, and really i know we all wish and want to beleive this one but water to wine? not a chance

religion is for people who need somewhere to turn when they don't beleive in science

and so much for relgion keeping people in order, by thinking they will go to hell, i know the only place i am going when i die is 6ft under, how can anyone beleive you go to heaven or hell i do not know, i mean where exacually is heaven then, its surpose to be in the sky but then again we can't see it, we can see the sun and moon and other planets though. and how can u beleive that everyone who has ever lived, like from prehistoric people to the person who last died in the world can go to one of two places? i mean it would be abit full by now wouldn't it?

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