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« Reply #950 on: August 10, 2012, 20:13:50 »

it's the quantity too i think... too little food and your body hangs on to the fat thats there, i was low carb much of the time too, despite my cake extravagances i stopped eating pastry for a bit and that really helped

some other things to watch out for are apparently:

fat + carbs
fat + carbs + sugar (doughnuts)

large amounts of both carbs & protein (little bit of each is alright, bit of cheese on pasta but not loads of meat)
likewise if eating protein a smaller amount of carbs than normal

i went to slimming world for a bit, some of the women there swore by drinking spirits instead of wine & beer, with slimline tonic  Laughing

other things i'd recommend... not obsessively weighing, once a week is good.
filling up on fruit and veg... there are some high sugar fruits like bananas thats it's better to take it easy on, oranges too i think.
not denying yourself... if you want something, just eat it
i think you can get a long way by eating few carbs, eating plenty of volume and having small treats, and avoiding lots of fat... there are some things which are obviously unhealthy... another time i lost a fair bit of weight was when i moved to holland... i stopped eating bread and cheese and cycled everywhere, got really slim without seeming to try... i started doing aikido a bit later on & thats when i really noticed the difference, but i didn't think "ooh i'm doing exercise", just was something i enjoyed and wanted to learn.
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« Reply #951 on: August 10, 2012, 21:45:18 »

Everyone knows CV exercise doesn't make you lose weight.

That's not correct. It does but just not as rapidly as HIIT type exercise. When I've had to make weight for competitions it's nigh on impossible without at least some long-ish runs.
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« Reply #952 on: August 11, 2012, 07:55:45 »

Would I have been better saying "CV exercise alone does not make you lose weight"?
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« Reply #953 on: August 11, 2012, 08:31:53 »

Everyone knows CV exercise doesn't make you lose weight.

That's not correct. It does but just not as rapidly as HIIT type exercise. When I've had to make weight for competitions it's nigh on impossible without at least some long-ish runs.

Ive noticed that people who often switch diets also often loose more weight on average than those who stick to 1 diet, would switching say between 3 diets in a six week period cause the stones to drop??
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« Reply #954 on: August 11, 2012, 09:42:27 »

That wouldn't surprise me. I have read anecdotal evidence about different diets "kick-starting" weight loss.

Most diets suck though. I can't see trying loads of different diets being sustainable.
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« Reply #955 on: August 11, 2012, 11:21:05 »

I read recent research that suggest it's approx 75 hours of fasting before the body goes into starvation mode, which totally blows the "don't skip breakfast" mantra...
It blows loads of shit out the water. I bet the supplement companies are shitting themselves. What with the new legislation that's coming in from October and the increased scientific research into the affects of supplements.
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« Reply #956 on: August 11, 2012, 12:36:29 »

I think there's some credence in the old wives tail "the quicker you lose it the quicker it can come back"

In berlin there were lots of large people but they didn't look slack and flabby just big and round. There is some serious shit wrong with british psyche.
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« Reply #957 on: August 11, 2012, 15:18:09 »

most diets are designed to lose a lot at the start, then losses are less dramatic, a pound or two a week, but it soon adds up.  women apparently have some extra water retention thing that makes their weight go up and down over a month which a friend of mine didn't know about and had a monthly cycle of "ow wow i'm losing weight, oh no i'm gaining weight" until she twigged (or someone told her)

i think the slimming world diet is reasonably well worked out, some of the group activities could be better, but as a place to go and weigh every week and have a bit of group therapy and encouragement it's great, i found if i fell off the wagon early in the week, the thought of going to weigh would spur me on again.

loosely it's a low carb food combining diet, you can have a couple of slices of bread a day though.

there was a food combining thing for veggies in the 70's which said you had to mix protein and carbs but i think this is debunked now... your stomach uses different chemicals to process them, so mixing can mean they're not digested properly, plus carbs turn to sugar once they're in your body.
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« Reply #958 on: August 12, 2012, 10:28:06 »

Would I have been better saying "CV exercise alone does not make you lose weight"?

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not (can't get intonation over t'internet) but I'll reply anyway. You will lose weight with CV exercise however it will be reasonable at best to start with but will rapidly tail off as your body adapts to the steady state cardio exercise. By definition any exercise will cause you to burn calories and thus lose weight. If you mean  "CV exercise alone ....." as in without a diet to ensure a calorific deficit you are correct, if I run 5 miles a day but then spend the rest of the day eating chips and pizzas I won't lose weight. Can you elaborate on what you meant a bit more?
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« Reply #959 on: August 12, 2012, 10:31:33 »

Everyone knows CV exercise doesn't make you lose weight.

That's not correct. It does but just not as rapidly as HIIT type exercise. When I've had to make weight for competitions it's nigh on impossible without at least some long-ish runs.

Ive noticed that people who often switch diets also often loose more weight on average than those who stick to 1 diet, would switching say between 3 diets in a six week period cause the stones to drop??

It depends, 2 weeks per diet wouldn't really allow you much time to adapt so in theory the fact you would be shocking your metabolism with a drastic change every 14 days would do something. The basis of any diet is changing the amount of protein, carbohydrate and fat you consume so in essence you don't want to deviate too far from a good foundation of eating all 3 base elements as you'll end up deficient in one or more of these macronutrients.
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« Reply #960 on: August 12, 2012, 10:40:51 »

most diets are designed to lose a lot at the start, then losses are less dramatic, a pound or two a week, but it soon adds up.  women apparently have some extra water retention thing that makes their weight go up and down over a month which a friend of mine didn't know about and had a monthly cycle of "ow wow i'm losing weight, oh no i'm gaining weight" until she twigged (or someone told her)

i think the slimming world diet is reasonably well worked out, some of the group activities could be better, but as a place to go and weigh every week and have a bit of group therapy and encouragement it's great, i found if i fell off the wagon early in the week, the thought of going to weigh would spur me on again.

loosely it's a low carb food combining diet, you can have a couple of slices of bread a day though.

there was a food combining thing for veggies in the 70's which said you had to mix protein and carbs but i think this is debunked now... your stomach uses different chemicals to process them, so mixing can mean they're not digested properly, plus carbs turn to sugar once they're in your body.

 NERD ALERT! You need to consume some carbs with protein to allow your body to utilize the protein properly and get it into your muscles.
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« Reply #961 on: August 12, 2012, 10:44:17 »

I read recent research that suggest it's approx 75 hours of fasting before the body goes into starvation mode, which totally blows the "don't skip breakfast" mantra...
It blows loads of shit out the water. I bet the supplement companies are shitting themselves. What with the new legislation that's coming in from October and the increased scientific research into the affects of supplements.


Will be interesting to see how it affects their sales, so many people still seem convinced that drinking a protein shake 3 times a day alone will give you a figure akin to Jay Cutler thanks to the misleading marketing of supps now. The recent panorama program on it was interesting but they cherry-picked the info they wanted to use on it too so they could make the companies look as bad as possible. 
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« Reply #962 on: August 12, 2012, 11:21:55 »

theres a fair few unlikely high carb vegetables though... can probably get enough without resorting to processed stuff
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« Reply #963 on: August 12, 2012, 11:23:53 »

theres a fair few unlikely high carb vegetables though... can probably get enough without resorting to processed stuff

Processed food in general isn't the best thing to eat in general terms, white processed carbs are the easiest ones for your body to store as fat.
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« Reply #964 on: August 12, 2012, 12:49:23 »

I read recent research that suggest it's approx 75 hours of fasting before the body goes into starvation mode, which totally blows the "don't skip breakfast" mantra...
It blows loads of shit out the water. I bet the supplement companies are shitting themselves. What with the new legislation that's coming in from October and the increased scientific research into the affects of supplements.

cherry-picked the info
Totally agree. The one-sidedness was almost farcical.
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« Reply #965 on: August 12, 2012, 14:24:45 »

Told my girlfriend I love her for the first time last night. Thoughts and feelings reciprocated. I'm a very, very happy man.

Not a random thought, I just had to say it  Smiley

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« Reply #966 on: August 12, 2012, 14:41:06 »

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« Reply #967 on: August 12, 2012, 14:55:32 »

Nice one Steve

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« Reply #968 on: August 13, 2012, 02:43:44 »

Told my girlfriend I love her for the first time last night. Thoughts and feelings reciprocated. I'm a very, very happy man.

Not a random thought, I just had to say it  Smiley

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Aw bless.

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How long have you been with her?
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« Reply #969 on: August 13, 2012, 07:53:44 »

Told my girlfriend I love her for the first time last night. Thoughts and feelings reciprocated. I'm a very, very happy man.

Not a random thought, I just had to say it  Smiley

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Aw bless.

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How long have you been with her?

Nearly 5 months. She's a fucking legend. I think she knows Rit - is his last name Patel? Could be wrong there, though...
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« Reply #970 on: August 13, 2012, 08:01:43 »

If she's a legend, why'd it take you 5 months? Are you 17 years old, cos I definitely remember it being a big deal when I was young?

Or was it the only way to get a bit of anal action going?
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« Reply #971 on: August 13, 2012, 08:13:46 »

If she's a legend, why'd it take you 5 months? Are you 17 years old, cos I definitely remember it being a big deal when I was young?

Or was it the only way to get a bit of anal action going?

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« Reply #972 on: August 13, 2012, 08:53:07 »

If she's a legend, why'd it take you 5 months? Are you 17 years old, cos I definitely remember it being a big deal when I was young?

Or was it the only way to get a bit of anal action going?

Really?

I don't think you can proper be in love with someone until you've been with them a few months and really got to know them. Anything too early on could just be mistaken lust or infatuation. You need the dust to settle, you need to feel comfortable before you can commit yourself to such a statement, because that way it means more. Love isn't the early days of dizzying feelings and shagathons, it's a few months down the line, when they've held your hair back when you've been sick, or you've nursed them through a few hangovers, snotty colds and you look into their pale sweaty face and think, wow I still think you are fucking brilliant even in that horrendous state.

Taking five months, to me shows that Steve DOES think it's a big deal.

Congrats  Smiley
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« Reply #973 on: August 13, 2012, 08:54:33 »

Tonight!!! Fucking hell, am I excited!! Cheesy Grin Shocked Cool Slayer Slayer Slayer Slayer Slayer Slayer Slayer Slayer OMG Death Star!!!11 Heart

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« Reply #974 on: August 13, 2012, 08:57:55 »

I don't think you can proper be in love with someone until you've been with them a few months and really got to know them.

Really?

It was love at first sight for me.

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« Reply #975 on: August 13, 2012, 09:04:01 »

Really?

I don't think you can proper be in love with someone until you've been with them a few months and really got to know them. Anything too early on could just be mistaken lust or infatuation. You need the dust to settle, you need to feel comfortable before you can commit yourself to such a statement, because that way it means more. Love isn't the early days of dizzying feelings and shagathons, it's a few months down the line, when they've held your hair back when you've been sick, or you've nursed them through a few hangovers, snotty colds and you look into their pale sweaty face and think, wow I still think you are fucking brilliant even in that horrendous state.

Taking five months, to me shows that Steve DOES think it's a big deal.

Congrats  Smiley

Thanks Emma. I didn't even know how to respond to Clive's post. As it happened, immaturely  Bad Teeth

Definitely on board with you. I'm totally and utterly besotted with her. I want this one to last a very long time - I think we can do great things together. Every time I think about the future, whether it be days or months, even years ahead, I can't picture it without her even after a short amount of time together. You know that feeling when you look at someone and the rest of the world disappears momentarily....? - THAT!!!  

I really can't believe my luck  Smiley

@ Hooner - I've been wanting to tell her for quite a while. Just held it back  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #976 on: August 13, 2012, 09:46:04 »

Told my girlfriend I love her for the first time last night. Thoughts and feelings reciprocated. I'm a very, very happy man.

Not a random thought, I just had to say it  Smiley

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Aww.  Smiley  Heart

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Thanks Emma. I didn't even know how to respond to Clive's post. As it happened, immaturely  Bad Teeth

Definitely on board with you. I'm totally and utterly besotted with her. I want this one to last a very long time - I think we can do great things together. Every time I think about the future, whether it be days or months, even years ahead, I can't picture it without her even after a short amount of time together. You know that feeling when you look at someone and the rest of the world disappears momentarily....? - THAT!!!  

I really can't believe my luck  Smiley

@ Hooner - I've been wanting to tell her for quite a while. Just held it back  Two Thumbs

In a similar place right now. 

Guess sometimes you meet someone and think about all those times in your past , making things work with people, compromising for a common cause. 

And you think that when it's right you don't need to do any of that, there isn't compromise as it just works.
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« Reply #978 on: August 13, 2012, 10:16:26 »

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« Reply #979 on: August 13, 2012, 10:22:42 »

I don't think you can proper be in love with someone until you've been with them a few months and really got to know them.

Really?

It was love at first sight for me.

Horses for courses innit,

Sorry, don't believe in love at first sight. I think you can see someone and go wow! But it is not love. If that wow then lasts for some time including getting to know all bits of someone including the less than perfect bits then that is love. Love is a powerful and rare thing and needs to be treated with respect, and people need to be careful with  the term or it looses all meaning. I have no doubt you had strong feelings for your lady when you saw her, and the fact they have lasted then that now is love. But it wasn't love when you first saw her, it was just wow. If she had walked out of your life that night never to be seen again, your heart would not have been ripped in two, you would have forgotten her in time, but NOW you love her, because all that meaning, and time together has created love.

I've had a few wows in my time, but only one has ever turned into proper love, the fact that I felt something from the moment I laid eyes on him feels like it was 'love at first sight' but it wasn't, we got lucky and we didn't say the 'I love yous for over a year' but when we did say it we proper meant it, it would do that love a disservice to say I ever felt that way about anyone else just because I've had strong feelings for a few people I've had short term things with.
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« Reply #980 on: August 13, 2012, 10:23:16 »

.....gay.

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« Reply #981 on: August 13, 2012, 11:24:35 »

I don't think you can proper be in love with someone until you've been with them a few months and really got to know them.

Really?

It was love at first sight for me.

Horses for courses innit,

Sorry, don't believe in love at first sight. I think you can see someone and go wow! But it is not love. If that wow then lasts for some time including getting to know all bits of someone including the less than perfect bits then that is love. Love is a powerful and rare thing and needs to be treated with respect, and people need to be careful with  the term or it looses all meaning. I have no doubt you had strong feelings for your lady when you saw her, and the fact they have lasted then that now is love. But it wasn't love when you first saw her, it was just wow. If she had walked out of your life that night never to be seen again, your heart would not have been ripped in two, you would have forgotten her in time, but NOW you love her, because all that meaning, and time together has created love.


With the greatest of respect, not only does reply imply that you know everything about my relationship, it also implies that everything I have experienced with my partner is wrong - and even then in the most condescending manner possible.
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« Reply #982 on: August 13, 2012, 11:36:36 »

I don't think you can proper be in love with someone until you've been with them a few months and really got to know them.

Really?

It was love at first sight for me.

Horses for courses innit,

Sorry, don't believe in love at first sight. I think you can see someone and go wow! But it is not love. If that wow then lasts for some time including getting to know all bits of someone including the less than perfect bits then that is love. Love is a powerful and rare thing and needs to be treated with respect, and people need to be careful with  the term or it looses all meaning. I have no doubt you had strong feelings for your lady when you saw her, and the fact they have lasted then that now is love. But it wasn't love when you first saw her, it was just wow. If she had walked out of your life that night never to be seen again, your heart would not have been ripped in two, you would have forgotten her in time, but NOW you love her, because all that meaning, and time together has created love.


With the greatest of respect, not only does reply imply that you know everything about my relationship, it also implies that everything I have experienced with my partner is wrong - and even then in the most condescending manner possible.

Sorry, I didn't mean it too, and have absolutely no doubt in your love, and don't want to cheapen it (certainly never said anything about it being wrong  Huh ). But I stand by what I said. To be honest you often talk about how fiesty your lady is, and it's those posts about her that are very assuring that you clearly love her to absolute bits! As I said, the one great love I had felt like it started from the second we laid eyes on each other, but the actual measure of our love felt like it came from the fact that we waited so long to declare it. I'm obviously just not explaining it very well, but certainly don't want to cast doubt on your relationship.
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« Reply #983 on: August 13, 2012, 14:24:59 »

AHHHHHRRRG


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« Reply #984 on: August 13, 2012, 14:36:36 »

I feel sleepy and have another 2 hours of work to go.  Sad
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« Reply #985 on: August 13, 2012, 14:38:40 »

"private eyes are watching you..." Stuck in my head.
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« Reply #986 on: August 13, 2012, 14:41:56 »

Choon. Wait til you get "seppuku" in your head!
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« Reply #987 on: August 13, 2012, 14:46:07 »

Choon. Wait til you get "seppuku" in your head!

Thankfully, I don't know it.
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« Reply #988 on: August 13, 2012, 14:47:54 »

You will know it later, it's by Bristolian speedfolk pioneers.
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« Reply #989 on: August 13, 2012, 14:51:28 »

Ah, that did cross my mind. Can't be worse than Puttin' on the Ritz soundclash with Quantum Leap.
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« Reply #990 on: August 13, 2012, 15:59:41 »

Ah, that did cross my mind. Can't be worse than Puttin' on the Ritz soundclash with Quantum Leap.

How dare you.
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« Reply #991 on: August 14, 2012, 10:50:05 »

Would I have been better saying "CV exercise alone does not make you lose weight"?

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not (can't get intonation over t'internet) but I'll reply anyway. You will lose weight with CV exercise however it will be reasonable at best to start with but will rapidly tail off as your body adapts to the steady state cardio exercise. By definition any exercise will cause you to burn calories and thus lose weight. If you mean  "CV exercise alone ....." as in without a diet to ensure a calorific deficit you are correct, if I run 5 miles a day but then spend the rest of the day eating chips and pizzas I won't lose weight. Can you elaborate on what you meant a bit more?

God, no, I wasn't being sarcastic at all - sorry. I'm just not being very eloquent about getting my point across. You know far more about the subject than I do, but I just totally disagree with this "low fat, high carb diet coupled with lots of CV exercise" that most diets seem to comprise. For me the best weight loss is through good strength/resistance training, zero sugar, no wheat/grains/fruit, good fats and proteins and lots of beans/pulses/veg etc. It's easier said than done though - I love a bacon sandwich as much as the next person - I'm still trying to find that balance (and reduce my ale intake!).
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« Reply #992 on: August 14, 2012, 11:08:21 »

the thing is you can have the odd bacon sandwich without too much trouble, depending on where you get it you might be able to get them to trim off the fat, grill the bacon etc... all depends, if it's once in a while you could have whatever you want but regularly you might have to adapt it, or grill ham Smiley

lidl have got teppanyaki grills at the minute about 25 fatless frying

beer is a big one though, depending how much you drink, but possible to drink & lose weight, just have to not overdo the food that day... won't need to drink as much then Smiley

the other thing that's good is that spray oil, uses much less than normal when frying, can get olive oil too.
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« Reply #993 on: August 14, 2012, 11:42:48 »

Ah, that did cross my mind. Can't be worse than Puttin' on the Ritz soundclash with Quantum Leap.

How dare you.

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« Reply #994 on: August 14, 2012, 11:46:33 »

But you are offering hints on how to reduce fat in my diet. That isn't what I want to do - the bread in my bacon sandwich is worse for my health than the fat on my bacon or the butter on the bread (IMO).

I agree with you about the "once in a while" thing though.
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« Reply #995 on: August 14, 2012, 12:02:27 »

looking at my slimming world book a blt has 24 points, daily allowance is 5-15, i used to aim for 10... you could have a bacon sandwich every other day along with another 2 small slices of bread per day if you ate hardly any other junk food

ales vary, light ones are 3 points per half, a strong one 8.5, most about 4... so two pints would just about be within a daily allowance (on slimming world)... no, a bit more than, but if you didn't have any other carbs or fatty stuff that day i think it'd be fine

i've heard about these caveman diets where they don't worry about how much fat they eat, don't really eat carbs of any kind, even eating only low carb veg, people who've been on these for a while say they don't really get the cravings for carbs and sugar that they used to... personally i'm not sure about the amount of meat they eat, but they seem to be doing well healthwise... another friends dad who stopped eating sugar though that once you did that the weight stayed off
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« Reply #996 on: August 14, 2012, 12:30:26 »

If you are partaking of a diet with high levels of exercise, then you need a high carb intake. Protein heavy diets aren't useful at all for high level cv regimes. Carbs for the prelude, protein for the repair... Particularly when you are looking more towards gain than fitness. Also, you can be fat and much more cv fit than a muscle bound adonis...

Carbs also help with water storage so cutting them down along with higher intensity exercise is absolutely ridiculous.

The Atkinson diet (which has since been ridiculed by almost any true dietition of note) has sparked these low carb ideas.

Ideally a good meal to accompany a high cv regime is 50% carbs to 50% protein. By exercising regularly you metabolise fats at a greater rate - so you can start with a low fat diet and then gradually increase your intake - you should always consider your brain is something like 85% fat - by catastrophically reducing fat intake you are doing yourself more damage mentally than you are doing good to subsequent parts of your body. It will also reduce your reaction times, sporting intelligence and so on.

Also, by introducing coconut fat in to your diet, it actually breaks down other fat types. This can be as simple as using only coconut oil to fry things.

Too many people are trying to obtain athlete like physiques... When most of these people train 7 days a week... Boxers starve themselves and drastically dehydrate to make weight and then pile it on once they have weighed in through rehydration and diet. Athletes have what can only be described as dangerously low levels of body fat when they compete (Men can go from 3-6%, women a little higher) relative to the lay person, and these kinds of physique's are completely unattainable and also impractical for the normal person.

Any kind of diet can react differently from person to person depending on your body type, individual metabolism and a thousand different factors. The reason diet ideas change so often is a.) Because it is a huge industry and industries need new ideas to continuously remain profitable and b.) most of them are completely disproven once taken as part of a "normal" lifestyle.

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« Reply #997 on: August 14, 2012, 12:33:26 »

there must be optimal ways of eating though, given the way our bodies work... the italians are often slim and they like eating...
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« Reply #998 on: August 14, 2012, 12:39:22 »

I'm hardly an expert in this area. But surely if you just do loads of stuff (walking, running, lifting, moving, building, climbing, all that stuff that makes you smell like you've been doing stuff) then you'll be a'ight. Do you need it to be any more involved than that? Cos I like the simplicity of "get off your arse more".
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« Reply #999 on: August 14, 2012, 12:42:31 »

all depends what you eat, will work if you can burn off what you eat, graham norton was one who liked going to the gym because it meant he could eat & drink anything he wanted, can't be arsed myself
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