'Random Thoughts' Thread [NSFW]

[B'Tol]

there must be optimal ways of eating though, given the way our bodies work... the italians are often slim and they like eating...

Because they have a propensity toward fresher foods, use olive oil over almost any other, high intakes of fish and such... But you still see fat Italians. There is not really an optimum that can be applied across every body type and metabolism as far as I have been told.

Things lke the BMI index for instance are awful. An ideal body mass based on height would not be the same for an ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph.

I'm hardly an expert in this area. But surely if you just do loads of stuff (walking, running, lifting, moving, building, climbing, all that stuff that makes you smell like you've been doing stuff) then you'll be a'ight. Do you need it to be any more involved than that? Cos I like the simplicity of "get off your arse more".

In reality, no. Becuase what you are using to refuel, rebuild and repair makes all the difference to the "new" that replaces the lard arse.

You wouldn't build a house out of sugar cubes and expect it to be of sound foundation and last a rain storm.

You should treat the body in the very same way if you are taking diet seriously... And you should also remember your body is entirely rebuilt over a relatively short period of time relative to the length of our lives. I found that to be the easiest way to ensure my intake was correct during training. But you should also not begrudge yourself discretions as to expect a completely healthy diet and lifestyle is both unrealsitic, and can lead to binge eating when you feel sorry for yourself for having a biscuit.

[bloke]

ironically a banana gives you more of a sugar crash than a biscuit

[Saxon Heights]

there must be optimal ways of eating though, given the way our bodies work... the italians are often slim and they like eating...

Because they have a propensity toward fresher foods, use olive oil over almost any other, high intakes of fish and such... But you still see fat Italians. There is not really an optimum that can be applied across every body type and metabolism as far as I have been told.

Things lke the BMI index for instance are awful. An ideal body mass based on height would not be the same for an ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph.

I'm hardly an expert in this area. But surely if you just do loads of stuff (walking, running, lifting, moving, building, climbing, all that stuff that makes you smell like you've been doing stuff) then you'll be a'ight. Do you need it to be any more involved than that? Cos I like the simplicity of "get off your arse more".

In reality, no. Becuase what you are using to refuel, rebuild and repair makes all the difference to the "new" that replaces the lard arse.

You wouldn't build a house out of sugar cubes and expect it to be of sound foundation and last a rain storm.

You should treat the body in the very same way if you are taking diet seriously... And you should also remember your body is entirely rebuilt over a relatively short period of time relative to the length of our lives. I found that to be the easiest way to ensure my intake was correct during training. But you should also not begrudge yourself discretions as to expect a completely healthy diet and lifestyle is both unrealsitic, and can lead to binge eating when you feel sorry for yourself for having a biscuit.

What is the correct intake?  How do you ensure it?

[bloke]

if you look at most food packets from a supermarket they have a chart on with the recommended daily amounts of fat, sugar etc, even on drinks

a lot of people use the traffic light system now, so packets have red, yellow, green on the charts, green means have as much as you like, yellow take it easy, or alright sometimes, and red eat sparingly

[639]

this is not a random thoughts thread now, its turned into some sort of health thread.



What is it with these commemorative pound coins. I had a pocket full after night on the lash and I swear there wasn't a 'normal' one in there.
I'm sure it cost the government a fair amount to commission and mint them.

They know playing with money only leads to tears, finacaial meltdown and recession. Yet they just keep fiddling at every conceivable level.

[trewhella]

this is not a random thoughts thread now, its turned into some sort of health thread.



What is it with these commemorative pound coins. I had a pocket full after night on the lash and I swear there wasn't a 'normal' one in there.
I'm sure it cost the government a fair amount to commission and mint them.

They know playing with money only leads to tears, finacaial meltdown and recession. Yet they just keep fiddling at every conceivable level.

If those coins are bothering you.. I will have them off you.....

[639]

how many for your wife?

[Dave Badger]

Would I have been better saying "CV exercise alone does not make you lose weight"?

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not (can't get intonation over t'internet) but I'll reply anyway. You will lose weight with CV exercise however it will be reasonable at best to start with but will rapidly tail off as your body adapts to the steady state cardio exercise. By definition any exercise will cause you to burn calories and thus lose weight. If you mean  "CV exercise alone ....." as in without a diet to ensure a calorific deficit you are correct, if I run 5 miles a day but then spend the rest of the day eating chips and pizzas I won't lose weight. Can you elaborate on what you meant a bit more?

God, no, I wasn't being sarcastic at all - sorry. I'm just not being very eloquent about getting my point across. You know far more about the subject than I do, but I just totally disagree with this "low fat, high carb diet coupled with lots of CV exercise" that most diets seem to comprise. For me the best weight loss is through good strength/resistance training, zero sugar, no wheat/grains/fruit, good fats and proteins and lots of beans/pulses/veg etc. It's easier said than done though - I love a bacon sandwich as much as the next person - I'm still trying to find that balance (and reduce my ale intake!).

Cool, didn't think you were but wasn't sure. There are lots of silly diets out there but what you've put above is the core of any good diet, Eating healthily and in balance and resistance/weight training. Perhaps look at the timing of eating and doing exercise and you can still have your bacon sarnie guilt free. If you can manage it exercise before breakfast when your glycogen stores are depleted after the night's fasting and you will burn fat sooner than exercise later in the day plus it has the advantage of kick-starting your metabolism so you can eat more as you'll burn it pretty rapidly. 

[Dave Badger]

If you are partaking of a diet with high levels of exercise, then you need a high carb intake. Protein heavy diets aren't useful at all for high level cv regimes. Carbs for the prelude, protein for the repair... Particularly when you are looking more towards gain than fitness. Also, you can be fat and much more cv fit than a muscle bound adonis...

Carbs also help with water storage so cutting them down along with higher intensity exercise is absolutely ridiculous.

The Atkinson diet (which has since been ridiculed by almost any true dietition of note) has sparked these low carb ideas.

Ideally a good meal to accompany a high cv regime is 50% carbs to 50% protein. By exercising regularly you metabolise fats at a greater rate - so you can start with a low fat diet and then gradually increase your intake - you should always consider your brain is something like 85% fat - by catastrophically reducing fat intake you are doing yourself more damage mentally than you are doing good to subsequent parts of your body. It will also reduce your reaction times, sporting intelligence and so on.

Also, by introducing coconut fat in to your diet, it actually breaks down other fat types. This can be as simple as using only coconut oil to fry things.

Too many people are trying to obtain athlete like physiques... When most of these people train 7 days a week... Boxers starve themselves and drastically dehydrate to make weight and then pile it on once they have weighed in through rehydration and diet. Athletes have what can only be described as dangerously low levels of body fat when they compete (Men can go from 3-6%, women a little higher) relative to the lay person, and these kinds of physique's are completely unattainable and also impractical for the normal person.

Any kind of diet can react differently from person to person depending on your body type, individual metabolism and a thousand different factors. The reason diet ideas change so often is a.) Because it is a huge industry and industries need new ideas to continuously remain profitable and b.) most of them are completely disproven once taken as part of a "normal" lifestyle.

 

This is all good stuff but you would be better off with slightly adjusted percentages of carbs and protein and you also need some healthy fats too I've normally aimed (after extensive reading) for around 55% protein, 35% carbs, 10% fat (avocadoes, olive oil, fish oil, Chia, etc.)  for a maintenance diet rather than gaining mass.

[B'Tol]

If you are partaking of a diet with high levels of exercise, then you need a high carb intake. Protein heavy diets aren't useful at all for high level cv regimes. Carbs for the prelude, protein for the repair... Particularly when you are looking more towards gain than fitness. Also, you can be fat and much more cv fit than a muscle bound adonis...

Carbs also help with water storage so cutting them down along with higher intensity exercise is absolutely ridiculous.

The Atkinson diet (which has since been ridiculed by almost any true dietition of note) has sparked these low carb ideas.

Ideally a good meal to accompany a high cv regime is 50% carbs to 50% protein. By exercising regularly you metabolise fats at a greater rate - so you can start with a low fat diet and then gradually increase your intake - you should always consider your brain is something like 85% fat - by catastrophically reducing fat intake you are doing yourself more damage mentally than you are doing good to subsequent parts of your body. It will also reduce your reaction times, sporting intelligence and so on.

Also, by introducing coconut fat in to your diet, it actually breaks down other fat types. This can be as simple as using only coconut oil to fry things.

Too many people are trying to obtain athlete like physiques... When most of these people train 7 days a week... Boxers starve themselves and drastically dehydrate to make weight and then pile it on once they have weighed in through rehydration and diet. Athletes have what can only be described as dangerously low levels of body fat when they compete (Men can go from 3-6%, women a little higher) relative to the lay person, and these kinds of physique's are completely unattainable and also impractical for the normal person.

Any kind of diet can react differently from person to person depending on your body type, individual metabolism and a thousand different factors. The reason diet ideas change so often is a.) Because it is a huge industry and industries need new ideas to continuously remain profitable and b.) most of them are completely disproven once taken as part of a "normal" lifestyle.

 

This is all good stuff but you would be better off with slightly adjusted percentages of carbs and protein and you also need some healthy fats too I've normally aimed (after extensive reading) for around 55% protein, 35% carbs, 10% fat (avocadoes, olive oil, fish oil, Chia, etc.)   for a maintenance diet rather than gaining mass.

My bad - I kind of equated the fat in the protein mix, as the two are kind of inseparable in most cases. Also - red meat and spinach. Iron is invaluable. My balance is probably slightly more carb heavy than would normally be acceptable due to my metabolic rate. Also  .

Also - further very sound advice above.

I'm so hungry to train again at the moment, all this talk makes I sad.

[Hooner]

the italians are often slim and they like eating...

Do they ever.

Whenever I get a phone call from the Mrs or one of her family the first question is 'how are you?' closely followed by 'have you eaten?'

You'd get a more positive response from an Italian by saying you want to molest their mother than refusing food.

On thing I have noticed though is that they spread their food into courses - whilst Brits tend to have a big plate of Spag Bog and leave it like that, in my experience the Italians have a small bowl of pasta for their starter then have their meats & veg for the second course - not sure how that would work with the metabolism though 

[bloke]

my friend goes to south italy sometimes and has these mammoth lunches in a resturant, i think he said they spread it over 2-3 hours and just keep eating, and drink white wine to break the food down

a friend of mine used to drive an italian dj round and i remember him complaining he'd just eaten a whole pizza and the guy made him stop at a petrol station that did good sandwiches (this was in holland), and forced one on him, he took a few bits then threw it on the back seat, the italian feeding instinct does make me chuckle, i remember another chap who was american-italian and hadn't found a hotel room so had taken ecstasy instead, and was forcing m&m's on people... "go on, have some candy, it's really good"

[Hooner]

my friend goes to south italy sometimes and has these mammoth lunches in a resturant, i think he said they spread it over 2-3 hours and just keep eating, and drink white wine to break the food down

a friend of mine used to drive an italian dj round and i remember him complaining he'd just eaten a whole pizza and the guy made him stop at a petrol station that did good sandwiches (this was in holland), and forced one on him, he took a few bits then threw it on the back seat, the italian feeding instinct does make me chuckle, i remember another chap who was american-italian and hadn't found a hotel room so had taken ecstasy instead, and was forcing m&m's on people... "go on, have some candy, it's really good"

 

Italian weddings are ridiculous - the food does literally not stop coming out.  How the fuck am I supposed to dance when it feels like I should be carting my stomach round in a wheelbarrow?!

[Skippy]

Why have I just recently started getting electric shocks in work. Just got one off my umbrella ffs. 

[gusset]

Why have I just recently started getting electric shocks in work. Just got one off my umbrella ffs. 

New shoes?  (Not for once)

[Skippy]

Why have I just recently started getting electric shocks in work. Just got one off my umbrella ffs. 

New shoes?  (Not for once)

Newish shoes, but I've worn them before and wasn't getting electric shocks. 

I wonder if it has something to do with us having a wind farm of fans going? We've recently had our office refurbished and they've removed our portable air con unit as it was supposedly messing up with the archaic air con in the building. 

[gusset]

Could be. Did the refurb include new carpets? Def that if so.

[Skippy]

Nope. Same carpet.

[Epico]

Am I the only one that thinks Nicholas Cage hasn't aged that much?! Vampire, me thinks. 

[Pippin-Drill]

my friend goes to south italy sometimes and has these mammoth lunches in a resturant, i think he said they spread it over 2-3 hours and just keep eating, and drink white wine to break the food down

a friend of mine used to drive an italian dj round and i remember him complaining he'd just eaten a whole pizza and the guy made him stop at a petrol station that did good sandwiches (this was in holland), and forced one on him, he took a few bits then threw it on the back seat, the italian feeding instinct does make me chuckle, i remember another chap who was american-italian and hadn't found a hotel room so had taken ecstasy instead, and was forcing m&m's on people... "go on, have some candy, it's really good"

 

Italian weddings are ridiculous - the food does literally not stop coming out. 

Reeeaalllly... literally not stop? So you're still there now, stuffing your face with penne now are you?

[Hooner]

my friend goes to south italy sometimes and has these mammoth lunches in a resturant, i think he said they spread it over 2-3 hours and just keep eating, and drink white wine to break the food down

a friend of mine used to drive an italian dj round and i remember him complaining he'd just eaten a whole pizza and the guy made him stop at a petrol station that did good sandwiches (this was in holland), and forced one on him, he took a few bits then threw it on the back seat, the italian feeding instinct does make me chuckle, i remember another chap who was american-italian and hadn't found a hotel room so had taken ecstasy instead, and was forcing m&m's on people... "go on, have some candy, it's really good"

 

Italian weddings are ridiculous - the food does literally not stop coming out. 

Reeeaalllly... literally not stop? So you're still there now, stuffing your face with penne now are you?

John 8:7

[Epico]

Sweaty.

[Epico]

Nearly snapped my knob last night. That hurt. 

[noisy boy]

do swimmers sweat?

[steve rice]

California is a desert for decent marmalade
but an oasis of tasty butter

[Epico]

Do vegans swallow jizz....? 

[Muteki]

California is a desert for decent marmalade
but an oasis of tasty butter

Spent about 5 seconds trying to work out if that was a palindrome

Do vegans swallow jizz....? 

I think you should invade the stage at next year's Veganfest and pose this question over the PA.

[bloke]

but they grow oranges in california, these sell marmalade http://www.californiaoranges.com/

[B'Tol]

Do vegans swallow jizz....? 

Yes, yes they do.

[Whagwan]

Do vegans swallow jizz....? 

Yes, yes they do.

What, all of them?

[Pippin-Drill]

California is a desert for decent marmalade
but an oasis of tasty butter

New Zealand has amazing Dairy cows and gorgeous apples!!!

But they can't make decent cheese or cider for shit 

[bloke]

cider apples are different to dessert ones

[Hooner]

I live half a mile away from the home of the Granny Smith.

[B'Tol]

Do vegans swallow jizz....? 

Yes, yes they do.

What, all of them?

Hold the nose, rub the throat.

[The Lady Nonny Wrongford]

California is a desert for decent marmalade
but an oasis of tasty butter

Spent about 5 seconds trying to work out if that was a palindrome

 

[Epico]

Do vegans swallow jizz....? 

Yes, yes they do.

Interesting - I thought vegans didn't consume products or bi-products of anything that is living or was previously alive?!

Seems that light cannibalism is ok, though 

[B'Tol]

Got to get a protein hit from somewhere.

[Epico]

Got to get a protein hit from somewhere.

 

...and that salt deficiency can be a reet mother fucker!

Get some salt blamange down you! 

[B'Tol]

Got to get a protein hit from somewhere.

 

...and that salt deficiency can be a reet mother fucker!

Get some salt blamange down you! 

I dunno what you secrete from your purple headed yogurt flinger but that just sounds awful.

[gusset]

Do vegans swallow jizz....? 

Yes, yes they do.

Interesting - I thought vegans didn't consume products or bi-products of anything that is living or was previously alive?!

Seems that light cannibalism is ok, though 

That would rule out fruit, veg and fungus too. What do they eat, rocks?

[Epico]

Do vegans swallow jizz....? 

Yes, yes they do.

Interesting - I thought vegans didn't consume products or bi-products of anything that is living or was previously alive?!

Seems that light cannibalism is ok, though 

What do they eat

Their own personalities.

[Epico]

Government trying to push for a change in legislation so those fucking street fundraisers are illegal. About time. I hate those cocks.

[bloke]

i'm not especially bothered by them to be honest & it's an easy job for people to get, do they want to outlaw people with collection tins too?

there was one who's sales pitch seemed mostly to consist of saying "i'm 18" and pushing her boobs out at me, she was funny

[Epico]

i'm not especially bothered by them to be honest & it's an easy job for people to get, do they want to outlaw people with collection tins too?

there was one who's sales pitch seemed mostly to consist of saying "i'm 18" and pushing her boobs out at me, she was funny

They just irritate me. Especially the side-steppers who go out of their way to block your path if you drift across the pavement. Hate, hate, hate.

I wouldn't want to speak to them any other time... why they think I'd want to chat to them now they want my money is beyond me.

[bloke]

there is a knack to getting them to not bother you, i normally go for the ignore then say hello and keep walking if they talk to me, if they say "can you spare 5 minutes?" i say no, if they compliment me i thank them

[Epico]

there is a knack to getting them to not bother you, i normally go for the ignore then say hello and keep walking if they talk to me, if they say "can you spare 5 minutes?" i say no, if they compliment me i thank them

I've usually got my earphones in which has helped more recently. Prior to that the old fake phone call would be a choice move.

[B'Tol]

2 great responses for chuggers:

"I already donate to my chosen charities".

"That performing arts degree really paid off huh?!"

Thank me later.

[Epico]

Day off. Beer in the sun. Nice.

[Whagwan]

Worked as a chugger when I was a backpacker in Aus as it was all I could get at one time and I was skint.  

The one thing I have done is convinced myself of my own arguments (pint of beer a week, etc), hence I now have 4 direct debits to charities that I signed up through the website for, and yeah, I don't miss it at source and it does help the world and salve my conscience that little bit.

"I already donate to my chosen charities" will not stop a good chugger (by good I mean someone good at their job)  that is an in that allows them to talk about charity and says that you are already charitable.

If I am in a hurry I just say "No sorry mate." with a smile and walk on, if I have time I will let them pitch me and then tell them I worked as a chugger and tell them that whilst I appreciate that overall it does bring in more money for the charities an agency will get a cut if I sign up through them so I will check out the website.  

This one really pisses some of them off, others are happy to accept that.  It's how you can tell whether they are genuinely a nice person or a prick.

[Epico]

Thatchers Katy got me...

Dampness crew, where you at....?