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« on: May 11, 2010, 23:13:54 »

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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2010, 23:23:45 »

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2010, 00:10:34 »

noodle is annoyed by the referendum on AV. AV is shite. Waste of time (unless the 10k income tax threshold gets done, that would sort me right out).
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 00:30:03 »

noodle is annoyed by the referendum on AV. AV is shite. Waste of time (unless the 10k income tax threshold gets done, that would sort me right out).

Yeah, AV does look shite.  But they are making noises about the 10k tax threshold, though maybe going up in steps.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 01:07:43 »

i like this and you all mock the torie's i was right all along see Tongue tax threshold on income would definitly be good plus some other policies i definitly agree with that they have shook hands over, going to be interesting to see the revised manifesto and wasgwan'n down the number 10 home, lol nick clegg lodging in the spare room!
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 06:53:28 »

It is the best result considering where we were - it's a full coalition, with Lib Dems in the cabinet.

The 10k tax looks good for the poors on the surface, but it will cost 17bn a year so where is that coming from? No doubt some other tax, doubt people will be any better off.

There will be no AV, PR, or anything imo - it is turkeys voting for Christmas, if you were elected as MP under the fptp system why would you vote against it?
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 07:38:09 »

I can't believe Smuggy McSmugson has weaseled his way in to No 10. Last fucking time I vote for the Lib Dems.

Haydeez - of all the people in the world who should be afraid of a Tory government it is you. Let's be clear about this: you are absolutely fucked.
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2010, 07:46:01 »

noodle is annoyed by the referendum on AV. AV is shite. Waste of time (unless the 10k income tax threshold gets done, that would sort me right out).

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2010, 08:21:02 »

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 08:31:14 »

i like this and you all mock the torie's i was right all along see Tongue tax threshold on income would definitly be good plus some other policies i definitly agree with that they have shook hands over, going to be interesting to see the revised manifesto and wasgwan'n down the number 10 home, lol nick clegg lodging in the spare room!

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 08:41:43 »

It is the best result considering where we were - it's a full coalition, with Lib Dems in the cabinet.

The 10k tax looks good for the poors on the surface, but it will cost 17bn a year so where is that coming from? No doubt some other tax, doubt people will be any better off.

There will be no AV, PR, or anything imo - it is turkeys voting for Christmas, if you were elected as MP under the fptp system why would you vote against it?

Because your party whip makes you / because you are an MP and not a cabinet member / because you haven't been in politics long enough to stop caring about what everyone actually wants.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 08:44:08 »

By "5 year fixed terms" do they mean "5 year maximum terms"? Cos I, like everyone, was envisaging another GE within 18 months.  Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 08:47:19 »

It is the best result considering where we were - it's a full coalition, with Lib Dems in the cabinet.

The 10k tax looks good for the poors on the surface, but it will cost 17bn a year so where is that coming from? No doubt some other tax, doubt people will be any better off.

There will be no AV, PR, or anything imo - it is turkeys voting for Christmas, if you were elected as MP under the fptp system why would you vote against it?

Because your party whip makes you / because you are an MP and not a cabinet member / because you haven't been in politics long enough to stop caring about what everyone actually wants.

Still don't think even AV will happen, let alone anything else - nearly all Tories are vehemently against any change in voting system, it was only agreed so they could Cameron into number 10.

Lib Dem voters (of which I was one) - would you have voted any different if you knew this was going to happen?
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 08:52:02 »

It is the best result considering where we were - it's a full coalition, with Lib Dems in the cabinet.

The 10k tax looks good for the poors on the surface, but it will cost 17bn a year so where is that coming from? No doubt some other tax, doubt people will be any better off.

There will be no AV, PR, or anything imo - it is turkeys voting for Christmas, if you were elected as MP under the fptp system why would you vote against it?

Because your party whip makes you / because you are an MP and not a cabinet member / because you haven't been in politics long enough to stop caring about what everyone actually wants.

Still don't think even AV will happen, let alone anything else - nearly all Tories are vehemently against any change in voting system, it was only agreed so they could Cameron into number 10.

Lib Dem voters (of which I was one) - would you have voted any different if you knew this was going to happen?

The shitness of the electoral reform agreement would've changed my vote to Labour, probably. Seeing as the only reason my entire family haven't been in poverty since 1989 is the Labour government of '97 I really don't mind Labour on the grand scale.

But if the electoral reform stuff had gone the liberal way, to the letter, I'd be able to stomach the Tory other bad shit (as well as the good shit like right of recall and constitutionally defined parliamentary terms of course).
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2010, 08:53:50 »

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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2010, 09:04:27 »

If we're going to have a Tory government, which lets face it, was going to happen as they got the highest percentage of votes, then rather we have one tempered with LibDem ideologies. I am going to aim for optimism rather than pessimism, and what has happened is a coalition between the left and right, rather than a split between the two, which is how it's been for decades and not always successfully. The Tories want to sort out the economy, which does need to be sorted, and hopefully having Nick Clegg as second in command will help this be done with less damage to public services and people with a lower income. Also both the LibDems and the tories share policies on no ID cards and civil liberties, the role of the community and new businesses.

I'm a bit worried about foreign policy, as the parties are diametrically opposed and the Tory's will no doubt get their way on Europe, defense and immigration, but time will tell, I also don't reckon you fans of the waccy baccy will be celebrating anytime soon.
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 09:09:20 »

Oh, and what do we call it?

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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2010, 09:10:45 »

Yep, that's the same thinking that is seeing me through - the idea that the tories will spend the next few years being pestered by some good old lefty liberals whenever they try to do anything. It may not always end up having any effect, but at least it will wind them up. Cheesy
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2010, 09:11:19 »

Hehe noodle...for a minute then I thought you were talking that AV!

Vince Cable got in (Business/Banking) but not as Chancellor....
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2010, 09:12:07 »

Oh, and what do we call it?

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2010, 09:13:09 »

Given the deal I'd still have preferred a conservative minority, tempered on both sides by a free-voting Liberal and Labour opposition. But I guess we'll have to see how this goes.... The workings of government will, I reckon, be mostly Tory in economic policy. Be quite liberal in social policy. And be a slightly tempered Tory approach when it comes to the finances of welfare-related spending and front-line public services. Reform will be weak beyond belief, but at least a referendum will give a reason for a wider slice of the electorate to learn about the voting systems.

The main thing, that I honestly couldn't voice a prediction for currently, is how public opinion of either party as a single entity is shaped over the course of the term. I'm not sure what the media attitude will be, but presumably it'll be sweetness and light in the Tory press for a while, and quite wary and dejected in the liberal press. Then cracks will appear, the liberal press will downplay them and the Tory press will start ripping into the liberal side of the coalition in anticipation of replacing them with Tories at the next GE. The only way the libs could go up in estimation, and the Tories down, in this coalition is if the Tories actually make some high profile and very "serious" faux pas along the lines of the Andrew Sachs/Russell Brand thing. The sort of thing that'd completely put absolute morons off the Tories.
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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2010, 09:19:59 »

It is the best result considering where we were - it's a full coalition, with Lib Dems in the cabinet.
  Script I can only hope we get the best bits of each party; the cynic inside me says we'll probably get the worst.

The 10k tax looks good for the poors on the surface, but it will cost 17bn a year so where is that coming from? No doubt some other tax, doubt people will be any better off.

Increasing CGT - probably back to the old method of adding it to income tax & charging at what ever rate that is - and increasing the lower-level income tax rate. If income tax is hiked up to 25%, with the first £10k tax free, then it will benefit those earning under £24120. Anyone earning more than that will be paying more tax.
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2010, 09:22:44 »

Oh, and what do we call it?

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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2010, 09:26:00 »

The 10k tax looks good for the poors on the surface, but it will cost 17bn a year so where is that coming from? No doubt some other tax, doubt people will be any better off.

Increasing CGT - probably back to the old method of adding it to income tax & charging at what ever rate that is - and increasing the lower-level income tax rate. If income tax is hiked up to 25%, with the first £10k tax free, then it will benefit those earning under £24120. Anyone earning more than that will be paying more tax.

Interesting - I know the lib dems wanted to increase CGT, but surely the Tories aren't gonna want to do that.

Taxing the rich and giving to the poor? Doesn't sound like the Tories to me...


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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2010, 09:36:02 »

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Of course they're not going to increase taxes on the wealthy.

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2010, 09:44:02 »

There's always going to be problems with a purely left or right wing government. If the right help the rich too much then they ultimately give away power and control to the highest bidders (ie Merdoch, big businesses etc) while the poorest, most vulnerable people suffer because they no longer become a priority of the state as they are not feeding it with their taxes. If the left tax the rich too much, then you get a brain drain, offshore accounts, homes in switzerland etc, where the people with the most money do everything in their power to keep it and our most skilled workers move away to other countries, the government then get in debt by helping the poor while loosing taxes from the rich. It's a fine balance.

Hopefully this coalition gives an opportunity for this balance, when Dave wants to give power to the likes of Merdoch or take money out of public spending, Nick can have a word, nudging him to target the bankers, the Lords and the aristocracy and keep some integrity; yet when Nick gets carried away with wanting overtaxing certain brackets, and being too free with tax breaks (mind you I like the 10k one), Cameron can show him the implications to the economy as a whole if people are over taxed. Again, I'm being optimistic.
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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2010, 09:50:29 »

If we're going to have a Tory government, which lets face it, was going to happen as they got the highest percentage of votes, then rather we have one tempered with LibDem ideologies. I am going to aim for optimism rather than pessimism, and what has happened is a coalition between the left and right, rather than a split between the two, which is how it's been for decades and not always successfully. The Tories want to sort out the economy, which does need to be sorted, and hopefully having Nick Clegg as second in command will help this be done with less damage to public services and people with a lower income. Also both the LibDems and the tories share policies on no ID cards and civil liberties, the role of the community and new businesses.

I'm a bit worried about foreign policy, as the parties are diametrically opposed and the Tory's will no doubt get their way on Europe, defense and immigration, but time will tell, I also don't reckon you fans of the waccy baccy will be celebrating anytime soon.

no to Europe, immagration cap on non EU, and continueing the Trident deterrent, all be it with a lower budget (n). sounds good to me
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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2010, 09:52:37 »

I can't believe Smuggy McSmugson has weaseled his way in to No 10. Last fucking time I vote for the Lib Dems.

Haydeez - of all the people in the world who should be afraid of a Tory government it is you. Let's be clear about this: you are absolutely fucked.

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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2010, 09:59:05 »

can we stop painting the Lib Dems as left wing now please. 
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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2010, 10:08:57 »

I'm actually quite happy about this, when I did the MyVoteAdvisor, it turned out I agreed with Libs first, then Cons, so in a way it kinda works out for my political leaning http://www.myvoteadvisor.com/
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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2010, 10:43:42 »

Oh, and what do we call it?

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« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2010, 10:43:58 »

in my expert opinion...

This can work  im sure, and for many reasons.

1- they are being watched like never before, the public did have a major roll in the making of this government. and they will kick off if they get robbed again imo

2- A liberal presence looking over the shoulder of the tories is great news for the poorest in society who often get hard balled by policies created in the 'good of the nation'.

3- we can look forward to the implementation of a robin hood/tobin style tax to fund the poorest, this is a win win because once brought in, the middle and upper class's can stop moaning so much about welfare and get one with their own lives once more.

4 - labour.... NU labour... tony.. gordon..balls... mandleson... corrupt, sneaky bastards... they had to go, and the manner in which they went was classic, nick made them think gord had a look in, and boom , he went for the left hook.

5- fresh start with a greener focus and hopefully less/slower economic growth.

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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2010, 11:13:42 »

I can't believe Smuggy McSmugson has weaseled his way in to No 10. Last fucking time I vote for the Lib Dems.

Haydeez - of all the people in the world who should be afraid of a Tory government it is you. Let's be clear about this: you are absolutely fucked.

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« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2010, 11:18:12 »

Lib Dem voters (of which I was one) - would you have voted any different if you knew this was going to happen?

Probably not, actually. I've always been a Lib Dem supporter but even through this election have remained fearful of them becoming Government - I just didn't think they could cope with it (incidentally I have changed my mind about this following their negotiations with the Conservative Party in recent days).

The most important thing for me at the moment is the economy. We are standing at the edge of an abyss and there is still every possibility we could become completely, royally Fucked. With a capital F. I really do not want that to happen, and I do have some faith in the Tories as a whole making some decent efforts to sort it out, especially with heavy input from Saint Vince. My big concern is George Osborne - I'd take Alistair Darling over him (he's been pretty good recently!).

But Theresa May as Home Secretary? Fuck off.
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2010, 11:25:40 »

Lib Dem voters (of which I was one) - would you have voted any different if you knew this was going to happen?

yeh, i was very close to voting labour. think i would have voted different knowing the outcome... but then there is no way you could know the result so not point pondering on it really is there.
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« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2010, 11:50:25 »

I can't believe Smuggy McSmugson has weaseled his way in to No 10. Last fucking time I vote for the Lib Dems.

Haydeez - of all the people in the world who should be afraid of a Tory government it is you. Let's be clear about this: you are absolutely fucked.

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hopefully there will be a re-election in 6 months and now that brown is gone everyone will get labour in again
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I can't believe Smuggy McSmugson has weaseled his way in to No 10. Last fucking time I vote for the Lib Dems.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/may/12/general-election-2010-davidcameron

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Riots by the end of the summer !
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Oh, and what do we call it?

ConDem FTW

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Wait wait wait...

CON DEM NATION!

Has anyone said that yet?
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I have to say, I am so pleased I voted Lib Dem.. Not an over exaggeration, this is an amazing breakthrough for the UK.. Lets not focus on the negatives peeps, we should embrace this
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Didn't say why we would be rioting  Wink


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« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2010, 13:45:28 »

Wait wait wait...

CON DEM NATION!

Has anyone said that yet?

CON-DEM-NATION

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CON-DEM-NATION

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Didn't say why we would be rioting  Wink


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Bad Teeth

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Croydonites are fucking sophisticated - lets smash some Citroens!

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I think this is a great combo, some people are stereotyping too much and being excessively sceptical on a good vibe.
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George Osborne as chancellor... let's see how that pans out.

Badly, I suspect. The man has all the financial nous of a turnip.

Still, we'll see how it goes. If it goes pear-shaped the Lib Dems will get smashed at the next election. A lot of their grass roots members are pretty hacked off about this by all accounts.
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« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2010, 17:34:48 »

George Osborne as chancellor... let's see how that pans out.

Badly, I suspect. The man has all the financial nous of a turnip.

Still, we'll see how it goes. If it goes pear-shaped the Lib Dems will get smashed at the next election. A lot of their grass roots members are pretty hacked off about this by all accounts.

I have voted lib dem since I was old enough to vote, and I'm not hacked off about it. We've gone from being the third party to being in a coalition government; it's the most power we've ever had and we have at least a chance to implement some policies, and if not policies then at least ideology. People need to have some faith and stop fucking moaning and being pessimistic, on Facebook people are already moaning and bitching about things that haven't even happened yet. I tell you what, it's a tough job for anyone to run a country that's packed with so many whiny people.
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« Reply #73 on: May 12, 2010, 17:48:13 »

George Osborne as chancellor... let's see how that pans out.

Badly, I suspect. The man has all the financial nous of a turnip.

Still, we'll see how it goes. If it goes pear-shaped the Lib Dems will get smashed at the next election. A lot of their grass roots members are pretty hacked off about this by all accounts.

I have voted lib dem since I was old enough to vote, and I'm not hacked off about it. We've gone from being the third party to being in a coalition government; it's the most power we've ever had and we have at least a chance to implement some policies, and if not policies then at least ideology. People need to have some faith and stop fucking moaning and being pessimistic, on Facebook people are already moaning and bitching about things that haven't even happened yet. I tell you what, it's a tough job for anyone to run a country that's packed with so many whiny people.

Exactly, Lib Dems clearly came 3rd in the results but have their leader as deputy prime minister!! 5 people in the cabinet!! They are still a small party and many constituencies didnt even have a LibDem MP to vote for, the concs in theory cudve said fuck off and grabbed power like Labour did when they were a minority winner for Blair, but they have bent over backwards a bit to make it work so yeah moaning should stop haha.

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« Reply #74 on: May 12, 2010, 18:23:41 »

George Osborne as chancellor... let's see how that pans out.

Badly, I suspect. The man has all the financial nous of a turnip.

Still, we'll see how it goes. If it goes pear-shaped the Lib Dems will get smashed at the next election. A lot of their grass roots members are pretty hacked off about this by all accounts.

I have voted lib dem since I was old enough to vote, and I'm not hacked off about it. We've gone from being the third party to being in a coalition government; it's the most power we've ever had and we have at least a chance to implement some policies, and if not policies then at least ideology. People need to have some faith and stop fucking moaning and being pessimistic, on Facebook people are already moaning and bitching about things that haven't even happened yet. I tell you what, it's a tough job for anyone to run a country that's packed with so many whiny people.

Exactly, Lib Dems clearly came 3rd in the results but have their leader as deputy prime minister!! 5 people in the cabinet!! They are still a small party and many constituencies didnt even have a LibDem MP to vote for, the concs in theory cudve said fuck off and grabbed power like Labour did when they were a minority winner for Blair, but they have bent over backwards a bit to make it work so yeah moaning should stop haha.



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George Osborne as chancellor... let's see how that pans out.

Badly, I suspect. The man has all the financial nous of a turnip.

Still, we'll see how it goes. If it goes pear-shaped the Lib Dems will get smashed at the next election. A lot of their grass roots members are pretty hacked off about this by all accounts.

I have voted lib dem since I was old enough to vote, and I'm not hacked off about it. We've gone from being the third party to being in a coalition government; it's the most power we've ever had and we have at least a chance to implement some policies, and if not policies then at least ideology. People need to have some faith and stop fucking moaning and being pessimistic, on Facebook people are already moaning and bitching about things that haven't even happened yet. I tell you what, it's a tough job for anyone to run a country that's packed with so many whiny people.

Exactly, Lib Dems clearly came 3rd in the results but have their leader as deputy prime minister!! 5 people in the cabinet!! They are still a small party and many constituencies didnt even have a LibDem MP to vote for, the concs in theory cudve said fuck off and grabbed power like Labour did when they were a minority winner for Blair, but they have bent over backwards a bit to make it work so yeah moaning should stop haha.



Didn't Blair always have a majority?

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« Reply #77 on: May 12, 2010, 19:10:44 »

George Osborne as chancellor... let's see how that pans out.

Badly, I suspect. The man has all the financial nous of a turnip.

Still, we'll see how it goes. If it goes pear-shaped the Lib Dems will get smashed at the next election. A lot of their grass roots members are pretty hacked off about this by all accounts.

I have voted lib dem since I was old enough to vote, and I'm not hacked off about it. We've gone from being the third party to being in a coalition government; it's the most power we've ever had and we have at least a chance to implement some policies, and if not policies then at least ideology. People need to have some faith and stop fucking moaning and being pessimistic, on Facebook people are already moaning and bitching about things that haven't even happened yet. I tell you what, it's a tough job for anyone to run a country that's packed with so many whiny people.

Exactly, Lib Dems clearly came 3rd in the results but have their leader as deputy prime minister!! 5 people in the cabinet!! They are still a small party and many constituencies didnt even have a LibDem MP to vote for, the concs in theory cudve said fuck off and grabbed power like Labour did when they were a minority winner for Blair, but they have bent over backwards a bit to make it work so yeah moaning should stop haha.



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no just the one landslide

He always had a majority in government though. Don't confuse votes with seats!
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« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2010, 07:51:45 »

There's always going to be problems with a purely left or right wing government. If the right help the rich too much then they ultimately give away power and control to the highest bidders (ie Merdoch, big businesses etc) while the poorest, most vulnerable people suffer because they no longer become a priority of the state as they are not feeding it with their taxes. If the left tax the rich too much, then you get a brain drain, offshore accounts, homes in switzerland etc, where the people with the most money do everything in their power to keep it and our most skilled workers move away to other countries, the government then get in debt by helping the poor while loosing taxes from the rich. It's a fine balance.

Well put. In my mind, the lib dems should at least be somewhere in the middle, hence good for balance. But maybe they are considered more left than middle? We have many parties in Sweden but we lack a proper lib dem party - our "liberals" Folkpartiet taste more of "new liberals" and is soon more right-wing than the Moderats...
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« Reply #79 on: May 18, 2010, 13:28:44 »

I am so glad i fucked off voting for the Lib Dems (for their voting reforms) and went with my core beliefs (Labour), its a shame New Labour haven't really held up all the principles they have stood for in the past whilst in government, but i think it will be good to be out of government and have the chance to refocus on all the issues that have tainted the 13 years in government.

Devils advocate would say the Lib Dems have revealed themselves as just middle class socially liberal tories who don't want to vote for complete c*nts. The sort of tories who don't want to burn the poor and wan't to have their green initiatives, alongside shopping organically at Waitrose. It is no surprise the sort of areas they do well in, especially in Bristol.

That said I hope this government proves me wrong. Although with George Osborne handling the economy  Undecided, people might be wishing Gordon Brown was still chancellor (he didnt actually do a bad job.).
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« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2010, 13:34:27 »

Don't tar the liberals with the Tory brush. New liberalism tends to straddle socialist ideology for matters of welfare and social policy, progressive liberal attitudes to Europe/globalisation and conservative ideology with respect to local governments and the devolution of power. They're more cherry pickers than tories-in-disguise. And at that they cherry pick policies which seem to resound strongly with common sense.

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« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2010, 13:35:07 »

Devils advocate would say the Lib Dems have revealed themselves as just middle class socially liberal tories who don't want to vote for complete c*nts.

Devils advocate would say Labour chose to walk away from trying to form a government when the country needed them most because they had vastly over committed spending based on unsustainable growth figures. Forcing the liberals to talk with the Tories.
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« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2010, 13:41:59 »

Devils advocate would say the Lib Dems have revealed themselves as just middle class socially liberal tories who don't want to vote for complete c*nts.

Devils advocate would say Labour chose to walk away from trying to form a government when the country needed them most because they had vastly over committed spending based on unsustainable growth figures. Forcing the liberals to talk with the Tories.

That could well be true (i dont believe it really), we will however never know what they were thinking regards not forming the government, i think it was more to do with it being seen illegitimate. Whatever, labour have made the right move though i think. Especially as this government is destined to be hated regardless of how well they do, purely because of the cuts they will have to make.
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« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2010, 13:43:49 »

Devils advocate would say the Lib Dems have revealed themselves as just middle class socially liberal tories who don't want to vote for complete c*nts.

Devils advocate would say Labour chose to walk away from trying to form a government when the country needed them most because they had vastly over committed spending based on unsustainable growth figures. Forcing the liberals to talk with the Tories.

Nah, I don't think it would ever have worked. SNP/DUP would have held them to ransom.
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« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2010, 14:28:44 »

Don't tar the liberals with the Tory brush. New liberalism tends to straddle socialist ideology for matters of welfare and social policy, progressive liberal attitudes to Europe/globalisation and conservative ideology with respect to local governments and the devolution of power. They're more cherry pickers than tories-in-disguise. And at that they cherry pick policies which seem to resound strongly with common sense.

Also, Vince Cable in charge of banks == perhaps the best thing thats ever happened in any cabinet since I had sex inside a wardrobe.

yes, we'll see.  So far I think the Lib Dem voters (at least the generally fairly left wing, nice ones that I've encountered) have been utterly betrayed by their party.  If i'd voted for them I would be absolutely livid.

Clegg and Cable spent a lot of the campaign (with Labour) warning the Tories about the dangers of immediate cuts after the election and then Cameron announces straight after the election that the need for these cuts is something that the coalition is in complete agreement on.

The rise in the base rate of income tax has been labelled an "aspiration" by the coalition, so that will almost certainly never happen.

PR is a long forgotten dream.

Theresa May, who has voted consistantly against gay rights, is the new Equality Minister.

We're getting 100 new peers in the House of Lords.

Remind me what's so good about this whole thing again please.
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« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2010, 15:55:46 »

Well the coalition is overwhelmingly Tory, by seats and votes. The liberal voters have been betrayed on all but a few pledges, true. But the opposite would've meant a larger proportion of the voters being betrayed on the Tory policy they voted for.... Its the best of a bad situation, particularly since giving the devolution parties leverage in a majority coalition would've seriously damaged the union we live in, and caused untold financial damage in all three countries in the name of untimely application of academic ideology.

Also, it comes as no surprise that socialist-influenced pledges were killed in favour of economic conservatism. New Labour did it with the abolition of the 10k rate. Its almost a likelihood. I would've preferred a minority Tory government, in principle. But at least this way we've got Gideon and Dave on a stronger leash.  Undecided
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« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2010, 10:02:38 »

Cameron announces first cuts.

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« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2019, 10:46:18 »

But Theresa May as Home Secretary? Fuck off.

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« Reply #88 on: February 27, 2019, 23:52:34 »

But Theresa May as Home Secretary? Fuck off.

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