This Minimal Techno / Dubstep ting ?

[foo-fon fire]

Well there is bad trance 

  Amen   

[foo-fon fire]

ps. dont tell tom he's a dubstep-techno crossover artist to his face or else he'll strangle u whilest shouting -' i'm a junglist! '

 

[jim b]

i fucking love that weird arpeggiated dubsteppy track that pinch has been playing recently. one of the freakiest tracks ive heard this year. id has been refused on several occassions ( but fair play )

Intriguing.... I've read about this tune a few times on here. I probably won't hear it for time.... 

[jim b]

Btw, I love minimal sounds and heavy sub, and I don't give a monkeys if it has 4 kicks in a bar, or two and a half snares....... As long as it's got the groove. 

[moochach]

i fucking love that weird arpeggiated dubsteppy track that pinch has been playing recently. one of the freakiest tracks ive heard this year. id has been refused on several occassions ( but fair play )

Intriguing.... I've read about this tune a few times on here. I probably won't hear it for time.... 

hehe that was probably me...

best bet is to catch pinch playing

[jim b]

i fucking love that weird arpeggiated dubsteppy track that pinch has been playing recently. one of the freakiest tracks ive heard this year. id has been refused on several occassions ( but fair play )

Intriguing.... I've read about this tune a few times on here. I probably won't hear it for time.... 

hehe that was probably me...

best bet is to catch pinch playing

Innit. Bit tricky where I live......

[moochach]

I think the latter would be more your cup of tea TBH. I've got all of the above, so if you want a copy let me know. I also have a WICKED Rhythm & Sound live mix with Tikiman pon the mic - I'll upload that in the next few days.

if anyones got a scion set with tikiman please upload it i had one but it sounded like it was recorded on a dictaphone and then encoded to 3kbps.

[moochach]

i fucking love that weird arpeggiated dubsteppy track that pinch has been playing recently. one of the freakiest tracks ive heard this year. id has been refused on several occassions ( but fair play )

Intriguing.... I've read about this tune a few times on here. I probably won't hear it for time.... 

hehe that was probably me...

best bet is to catch pinch playing

Innit. Bit tricky where I live......

ahhh

[Headhunter]

i was gunna write summut.. but the more i read into this thread this more i had less to say.... all i will say tho is.... listen to pinch on the Breezebloc to see what its all about

[Tropical Hotdog]

alright cool dudes!
i was doing a camp electro house mix whilst reading this thread earlier so tried to mix some dubstep in, it works well over villalobos you're right 
it's here ---> http://www.hijackbristol.co.uk/board/index.php/topic,31662.0.html

[Uncle Basic]

I've got very bored of minimal due to the quality control going out of the window, five years back it seemed something amazing was being released every week...now it's all abit, well, tired.

Do u not think thats because five years back it was a newish sound?, i know exactly what you mean about quality control going out the window. But there are SO many new tunes by different producers that are fresher than ever, most of the stuff im buying now isnt by the big guns like a few years back. It just takes a bit of time to sift through it all 
For me the music is sounding better than ever 

If anything I think I've gone back into 'proper' techno - if that's the term - and started playing with loops and edits etc, I guess if you go back to the Hawtin/DE9 stuff that's kind of where a lot of the sound comes from. I'm just making my own sounds out of it now rather than relying on the records to be there with that sound already there. I'm also keen to start producing and make the music I want to hear.

For the record mate I never liked a lot of the 'big' minimal producers. Me and Louis used to try and out-do each other in terms of obscurity - he'd usually win! - and a lot of people who are bigger now like Pan Pot all started somewhere. For me I followed the sounds rather than the names and would slavishly sit on Decks.de and Wordandsound listening to weird one-off releases and all sorts of stuff waiting for it to eventually get released...

IMHO Underground Louis is the pioneer of pushing the minimal sound in Bristol, and doesn't get a lot of credit for it. He was pivotal in the dissemination of it here and his sets were always challenging and funky as fuck - the good version of funk i.e machinefunk! - and I don't think enough people give him props purely because he doesn't have a higher profile in the 'scene'. His collection is incredible and his attitude to music and the way we listen to sound is very perceptive. Gotta lotta love for Louis, along with Daddy Ya Ya they've been the two main influences on me since living in Bristol. 

[74]

I've got very bored of minimal due to the quality control going out of the window, five years back it seemed something amazing was being released every week...now it's all abit, well, tired.

Do u not think thats because five years back it was a newish sound?, i know exactly what you mean about quality control going out the window. But there are SO many new tunes by different producers that are fresher than ever, most of the stuff im buying now isnt by the big guns like a few years back. It just takes a bit of time to sift through it all 
For me the music is sounding better than ever 

If anything I think I've gone back into 'proper' techno - if that's the term - and started playing with loops and edits etc, I guess if you go back to the Hawtin/DE9 stuff that's kind of where a lot of the sound comes from. I'm just making my own sounds out of it now rather than relying on the records to be there with that sound already there. I'm also keen to start producing and make the music I want to hear.

For the record mate I never liked a lot of the 'big' minimal producers. Me and Louis used to try and out-do each other in terms of obscurity - he'd usually win! - and a lot of people who are bigger now like Pan Pot all started somewhere. For me I followed the sounds rather than the names and would slavishly sit on Decks.de and Wordandsound listening to weird one-off releases and all sorts of stuff waiting for it to eventually get released...

IMHO Underground Louis is the pioneer of pushing the minimal sound in Bristol, and doesn't get a lot of credit for it. He was pivotal in the dissemination of it here and his sets were always challenging and funky as fuck - the good version of funk i.e machinefunk! - and I don't think enough people give him props purely because he doesn't have a higher profile in the 'scene'. His collection is incredible and his attitude to music and the way we listen to sound is very perceptive. Gotta lotta love for Louis, along with Daddy Ya Ya they've been the two main influences on me since living in Bristol. 

Well said chap 

[moochach]

I've got very bored of minimal due to the quality control going out of the window, five years back it seemed something amazing was being released every week...now it's all abit, well, tired.

Do u not think thats because five years back it was a newish sound?, i know exactly what you mean about quality control going out the window. But there are SO many new tunes by different producers that are fresher than ever, most of the stuff im buying now isnt by the big guns like a few years back. It just takes a bit of time to sift through it all 
For me the music is sounding better than ever 

If anything I think I've gone back into 'proper' techno - if that's the term - and started playing with loops and edits etc, I guess if you go back to the Hawtin/DE9 stuff that's kind of where a lot of the sound comes from. I'm just making my own sounds out of it now rather than relying on the records to be there with that sound already there. I'm also keen to start producing and make the music I want to hear.

For the record mate I never liked a lot of the 'big' minimal producers. Me and Louis used to try and out-do each other in terms of obscurity - he'd usually win! - and a lot of people who are bigger now like Pan Pot all started somewhere. For me I followed the sounds rather than the names and would slavishly sit on Decks.de and Wordandsound listening to weird one-off releases and all sorts of stuff waiting for it to eventually get released...

IMHO Underground Louis is the pioneer of pushing the minimal sound in Bristol, and doesn't get a lot of credit for it. He was pivotal in the dissemination of it here and his sets were always challenging and funky as fuck - the good version of funk i.e machinefunk! - and I don't think enough people give him props purely because he doesn't have a higher profile in the 'scene'. His collection is incredible and his attitude to music and the way we listen to sound is very perceptive. Gotta lotta love for Louis, along with Daddy Ya Ya they've been the two main influences on me since living in Bristol. 

you can all lick my balls. its all about funky house

[Tropical Hotdog]

Anyone like Vladislav Delay?? I like the releases he has done under the "Uusitalo" name too!
Tulenkantaja (Huume - 2006) was a really good album!

[moochach]

Anyone like Vladislav Delay?? I like the releases he has done under the "Uusitalo" name too!
Tulenkantaja (Huume - 2006) was a really good album!

word to vlad - a real pioneer.

hes the man behind Luomo as well. amazing producer.
 

[placid]

Vocal City EP is the mutts nutts.

Now  if i could just find my copy, ill be happy.

[mattg]

Vocal City EP is the mutts nutts.

Now  if i could just find my copy, ill be happy.

trust you two to turn a conversation about dubstep into one about Vladislav Delay    his remix of Dub Taylor is the bomb though.

[mattg]

speaking of 4/4 dubstep,  i heard mention (some time ago) of a 4/4 version of Kalawanji ? but i never heard it, can anyone point me in the direction of a mix with it on or something.

[Dub boy]

you can all lick my balls. its all about funky house

Sadly it is, that & bassline house are the next big things in urban music apparently

Jesus wept 

[B-LAM]

Rhythm & Sound 'W/ The artists' (all about 'Queen of my Empire'  )
Rhythm & Sound 'W/ Paul St Hilare'

I think the latter would be more your cup of tea TBH. I've got all of the above, so if you want a copy let me know. I also have a WICKED Rhythm & Sound live mix with Tikiman pon the mic - I'll upload that in the next few days.

yes upload the mix   

w/the artists is topnotch.

[elgatopequeno]

you can all lick my balls. its all about funky house

Sadly it is, that & bassline house are the next big things in urban music apparently

Jesus wept 

i properly hate what i thought to be funky house, but listening to rinse nowadays ive heard some pretty sick stuff, its different now, some of its pretty weird.  im actually very excited to hear how it mutates.  e.g. www.myspace.com/plastician - Missing.  i like seeing glitz and positivity in vogue (albeit in a darker context), i was always repelled by that, but now i find myself drawn to it.  in the right context, its so uplifting

[stealth]

yes upload the mix   

I'll definitely upload it tomorrow mate. 

[Dub boy]

you can all lick my balls. its all about funky house

Sadly it is, that & bassline house are the next big things in urban music apparently

Jesus wept 

i properly hate what i thought to be funky house, but listening to rinse nowadays ive heard some pretty sick stuff, its different now, some of its pretty weird.  im actually very excited to hear how it mutates.  e.g. www.myspace.com/plastician - Missing.  i like seeing glitz and positivity in vogue (albeit in a darker context), i was always repelled by that, but now i find myself drawn to it.  in the right context, its so uplifting

I've heard some but havn't liked anything I've heard so far. The fact I've always struggled to like any form of house music doesn't help really 

But hey ho variety is the spice of life 

[tko]

you can all lick my balls. its all about funky house

Sadly it is, that & bassline house are the next big things in urban music apparently

Jesus wept 

i properly hate what i thought to be funky house, but listening to rinse nowadays ive heard some pretty sick stuff, its different now, some of its pretty weird.  im actually very excited to hear how it mutates.  e.g. www.myspace.com/plastician - Missing.  i like seeing glitz and positivity in vogue (albeit in a darker context), i was always repelled by that, but now i find myself drawn to it.  in the right context, its so uplifting

That Plastician track sounds like he has just sampled a vox loop of some old house tune and slapped over one of his normal grime beats - loving the beat but it aint funky house or any sort of house really. A nod to that scene maybe but a bit of a token one perhaps.

I have some 4/4 Plasticman track on Terrorrhythm, it is wicked, I mix it with 'unminmal' techno lol

[elgatopequeno]

i properly hate what i thought to be funky house, but listening to rinse nowadays ive heard some pretty sick stuff, its different now, some of its pretty weird.  im actually very excited to hear how it mutates.  e.g. www.myspace.com/plastician - Missing.  i like seeing glitz and positivity in vogue (albeit in a darker context), i was always repelled by that, but now i find myself drawn to it.  in the right context, its so uplifting

That Plastician track sounds like he has just sampled a vox loop of some old house tune and slapped over one of his normal grime beats - loving the beat but it aint funky house or any sort of house really. A nod to that scene maybe but a bit of a token one perhaps.

yeh obviously it isnt funky house, but thats kind of my point... i dont like most actual funky house per se, but the re-emergence of uplifting sounds on the uk underground is hopefully gonna feed into all the things that have happened in uk urban music, and mutate into something new and different.  its early, so nothing really groundbreaking has come of it yet, but there seem to be some tentative steps being taken, such as that plastician tune, and the Boy Better Know Tropical mixtape.  also look at www.myspace.com/geeneus - i dont really like the tracks that much themselves, but they hint at new directions

its in the same way that some of these dubstep/minimal crossover tunes dont really sound like either genre anymore... fusion -> progression

[ThinKing]

speaking of 4/4 dubstep,  i heard mention (some time ago) of a 4/4 version of Kalawanji ? but i never heard it, can anyone point me in the direction of a mix with it on or something.

Kalawanji 2 I believe. Try an N-Type set from a coupla months back (barefiles.com should be back up soon).

[Dub boy]

Rhythm & Sound 'W/ The artists' (all about 'Queen of my Empire'  )
Rhythm & Sound 'W/ Paul St Hilare'

I think the latter would be more your cup of tea TBH. I've got all of the above, so if you want a copy let me know. I also have a WICKED Rhythm & Sound live mix with Tikiman pon the mic - I'll upload that in the next few days.

yes upload the mix   

w/the artists is topnotch.

Check this out...

http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/festivals/news/full.jsp?portal=2534202&event=23685089&news=2911687

Scion w/ Tikiman on the mic.  

And.......

R&S w/ Tikiman on the mix

http://www.br-online.de/kultur-szene/thema/bavarianopensource-gratis-mp3/rhythm-and-sound.xml;jsessionid=4ZUDTLUQEJYPYCSBUKSSFEQ

http://www.eurosonic.net/

 

[B-LAM]

Rhythm & Sound 'W/ The artists' (all about 'Queen of my Empire'  )
Rhythm & Sound 'W/ Paul St Hilare'

I think the latter would be more your cup of tea TBH. I've got all of the above, so if you want a copy let me know. I also have a WICKED Rhythm & Sound live mix with Tikiman pon the mic - I'll upload that in the next few days.

yes upload the mix   

w/the artists is topnotch.

Check this out...

http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/festivals/news/full.jsp?portal=2534202&event=23685089&news=2911687

Scion w/ Tikiman on the mic.   

And.......

R&S w/ Tikiman on the mix

http://www.br-online.de/kultur-szene/thema/bavarianopensource-gratis-mp3/rhythm-and-sound.xml;jsessionid=4ZUDTLUQEJYPYCSBUKSSFEQ

http://www.eurosonic.net/

 

beautiful, cheers for linkage

[pollywog]

Hello bristolian peoples. My name is Legion for I am many. You may remember me from such classics as...oh nevermind 

DUBSTEP vs BREAKSTEP

http://www.nuskoolbreaks.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=67603

that's where I reckon the smart money should be going...

...cos minimal techno vs dubstep sounds like a complete yawnfest

[moochach]

just checking out:

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http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/festivals/news/full.jsp?portal=2534202&event=23685089&news=2911687

Scion w/ Tikiman on the mic.   

[/quote]

 

we nearly got tikiman to accompany scion at venn but he was already booked

thanks for this dub boy...i recommend anyone wondering what bc/r&s are all about to check out this stream


@legion. dubstep vs breakstep??? thats the most stupid thing ive ever seen. stylewise theyre just slight variations on the same theme. stop all this meaningless cross referencing. dubstep forum seems to have turned you into a gibbering wreck.

wheres the fucking acuphase when you need it?

[pollywog]

wigga please...

...i was a gibbering wreck before I ever got on to DSF   

besides it's not meaningless cross referencing, it's opening up dialogue between where i've always though dubsteps future lies...

...the breaks scene and the dubstep scene, not the d'n'b scene or the minimal scene

yeah sure theres cross over potential with minimal and dubstep especially the depressively moody ambient halfstep cos all you gotta do in most cases in ditch the halfstep for a halftime 4 on th floor but c'mon, you can hardly shake ya tail feather to it like you can to the more uptempo 'dubtech' or 'neurodub' soundz of boxcutter, elemental, toasty, reso et al...

...if it's IDM noodlings you want then fine but all I'm saying is if you want to get ya swerve on in a club then I'd rather hear more breaks heads mixing up the 'D' than villalobos or trentemoller etc

[moochach]

wigga please...

 

besides it's not meaningless cross referencing, it's opening up dialogue between where i've always though dubsteps future lies...

...the breaks scene and the dubstep scene, not the d'n'b scene or the minimal scene

you intend to open up a dialogue by saying that i should only listen to and play the music you like?
thank you for trying to introduce me to new music but i already love some of that stuff. boxcutter is a great musician and i was into some of that stuff oris jay was playing in 2001. i love my garage and that was sort of where some garage was going around that time. some of it was starting to be called dubstep esp horsepower productions and tempa stuff. thats why your little tizz about dubstep vs breakstep is pretty meaningless. stop subcategorising very similar music just because of the type of drumpattern it uses. noone cares except weird scenesters like yourself. read my original post on this thread because i dont want to have to repeat myself.
 

yeah sure theres cross over potential with minimal and dubstep especially the depressively moody ambient halfstep cos all you gotta do in most cases in ditch the halfstep for a halftime 4 on th floor but c'mon, you can hardly shake ya tail feather to it like you can to the more uptempo 'dubtech' or 'neurodub' soundz of boxcutter, elemental, toasty, reso et al...

youre just talking about yourself here. you can "shake your tailfeather" to whatever you want.

...if it's IDM noodlings you want then fine

i like some idm noodlings but i dont have particular a prefernce for them and i dont think ive ever expressed one. i just like freaky music.

but all I'm saying is if you want to get ya swerve on in a club then I'd rather hear more breaks heads mixing up the 'D' than villalobos or trentemoller etc

theres something very funny about this sentence.

unfortunately as far as im concern most breaks is boring drug music for children. thanks for expressing your opinion though

[pollywog]

...the dialogue i intended to open which if you'd visited that thread is between some breaks producers and some dubstep producers. I couldn't give a shit about you or what you listen to

BTW i don't need a garage >> dubstep history lesson but maybe you need a nu skool >> breakstep >> dubstep one...

...thanx for your time and effort though 

[moochach]

...the dialogue i intended to open which if you'd visited that thread is between some breaks producers and some dubstep producers. I couldn't give a shit about you or what you listen to

i did visit the thread. when i was reading it i was thinkning "wow this guy must hate music"

im sure most producers arent as closeted as you - if they want to take influences from other music theyve heard thats fine. thats pretty much what music is. its fine that youre very excited about a certain subsubsub genre but you come across as very paranoid about it.   

BTW i don't need a garage >> dubstep history lesson but maybe you need a nu skool >> breakstep >> dubstep one...

...thanx for your time and effort though 

i was just trying to put things in context. music isnt about sticking to any particular sort of rhythmic pattern or sample set.

[pollywog]

i did visit the thread. when i was reading it i was thinkning "wow this guy must hate music"

im sure most producers arent as closeted as you - if they want to take influences from other music theyve heard thats fine. thats pretty much what music is. its fine that youre very excited about a certain subsubsub genre but you come across as very paranoid about it.   

hmmmmm...

ok, so was there any quote in particular made you think I hate music It's more that i hate people trying to own/control scenes and exclude others based on personal bias or vested interest...

closeted ???paranoid???...methinks you're projecting here

...back on point though I think minimal and dubstep is one of those cul de sacs blackdown was always on about

[Uncle Basic]

i did visit the thread. when i was reading it i was thinkning "wow this guy must hate music"

im sure most producers arent as closeted as you - if they want to take influences from other music theyve heard thats fine. thats pretty much what music is. its fine that youre very excited about a certain subsubsub genre but you come across as very paranoid about it.   

hmmmmm...

ok, so was there any quote in particular made you think I hate music It's more that i hate people trying to own/control scenes and exclude others based on personal bias or vested interest...

closeted ???paranoid???...methinks you're projecting here

...back on point though I think minimal and dubstep is one of those cul de sacs blackdown was always on about

I lived in a cul de sac for a while, the boiler was always breaking down, but the kitchen had a dishwasher so it wasn't all bad.

[moochach]

I lived in a cul de sac for a while, the boiler was always breaking down, but the kitchen had a dishwasher so it wasn't all bad.

[moochach]

ok, so was there any quote in particular made you think I hate music It's more that i hate people trying to own/control scenes and exclude others based on personal bias or vested interest...

personal? whats personal? who cares if theres a load of producers too skuffed out of their minds to communicate with eachother.

if thats really how it is i applaud your efforts to bring these people together. seems a bit dellusional to me. but then im not really involved in the breakstep scene so i could be wrong.   

...back on point though I think minimal and dubstep is one of those cul de sacs blackdown was always on about

youre right its mainly media hype based on the success of a few tunes and artists but if it inspires producers to make good music and push things forward then that can be a good thing.

if by culdesac you mean lots of producers are goin to start making derivative rubbish youre probably be right. there are a lot of second rate producers out there wholl jump on any bandwagon, get bogged down in whatever subgenre they happen to be into at the time and make dull music.

once again ill refer you to my original post because it pretty much lays out what i think about the subject. if you have any issues with what i say there, please let me know.

[moochach]

hey legion what do you think of psybreaks?

[pollywog]

top post that first one of yours and I tend to steer clear of anything with psy as a prefix...

...but theres a lawgiverz tune called 'luv', which if psybreaks is anything like, i'd listen to

got any good mixes you can link to ?

BTW the personal bit was kinda in reference to the dj/producer thing and gatekeeping that blackdown referenced in his latest  pitchfork and for which he tried to do with dubstep as strictly a london thing...

...I too think it's great that producers cross pollenate electronica subgenres but not in a contrived way and not for the sake of media hype. I also take issue with clones replicating innovators as has been noted so often with halfsteppas yet not so much with the fullsteppas cos it's a hell of a lot harder to clone someone like toasty or boxcutter than it is to clone a loefah or cyrus

[moochach]

psybreaks is probably the hottest shit right now. theres a mix here that will take you to the next level.

[stealth]

Hello bristolian peoples. My name is Legion for I am many. You may remember me from such classics as...oh nevermind 

DUBSTEP vs BREAKSTEP

http://www.nuskoolbreaks.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=67603

that's where I reckon the smart money should be going...

...cos minimal techno vs dubstep sounds like a complete yawnfest

Easy Mate,

Welcome to the board !

I read that post on NSB and I definitely agree with you on a few things. I definitely agree that the 'breakstep' sound seems to have been removed from what dubstep now actually 'is'. I've always thought it could be due to a few things. Noticeably the big guns who created that sound, such as Toasty, Darqwan and Search & Destroy were exceptionally quiet when Dubstep blew-up last year after the 'Dubstep Wars' Breezeblock show. Also, on that show there was nobody representing the 'breakstep' sound and thus people who were first introduced into Dubstep via that show (and that's a LOT of people) never heard it and that's a shame. Finally, I think people like Martin Clarke and the hipster-press brigade like to compartmentalise Dubstep as this 'soundtrack of inner city London' with it's dark, broody, minimal sounds, which is all well and good, but the fact is it's not, Grime is. Dubstep is, or rather was , a melting pot of various sounds and influences with a bit of garage-swing at 138bpm - that was the appeal of it to me.

The 'melting pot' style is hardly there at all these days with the vast majority of tracks sounding like bassline pornography for geeks. It seems rather sad that LP's such as Destructive Recordings 'Our Sound' now appear to be the peak of how open-minded and exciting the possibilities of Dubstep could be. It will be intresting to listen to the second 'Our Sound' LP, which is due for release in a couple of months, to see if that open-mindedness is still in effect - doubt it will be though.

[stealth]

Just saw this post by Si Begg via that link:

heres how i think it works:

1- a few people start making some really good music that sounds quite similar and is differnt to the other stuff around.

2- a club night starts around these people, or maybe a magazine does an article about it , or a compilation is released and a term is coined to describe this new style

3- everyone gets real excited ..because we love a new genre! records shops make a new section, forums are started, more compilation albums, more club nights, more magazine artcicles ..what fun!

4- people start griping that so and so isnt really partof the scene and that record is the wrong tempo or u cant have thosedrums in this scene...much heated debate on who did it first and whatisthe exact definition of the genre

5- new genre totally formualted and neatly organized by the elite scene makers and DJs any imposters refused entry ..everybody happy

6- new genre curls up and dies because the original spark of originality and freshness has been quashed by a rigid formula

7- everyone turns on it saying it wasnt all that in the first place and look for a new scene to destroy

8- repeat every 2-5 years (mainly in london)

Spot on IMO

[pollywog]

Easy Mate,

Welcome to the board !

I read that post on NSB and I definitely agree with you on a few things. I definitely agree that the 'breakstep' sound seems to have been removed from what dubstep now actually 'is'.

cheers bro...

...and just to follow on cos the point I was trying to make is that the breakstep sound is even more removed form what was originally labelled breakstep such that the link to dubstep is somewhat erroneous

compare toasty and boxcutter to early quest and zed bias and theres little similarity but i do hear quite a similarity to the glitch style of nu skool breakers si begg  and tipper...

...while minimal and halftime dubstep will probably dominate the music boards and  give fodder to the chin stroking literati to enjoy a latte over i just cant see it lighting up the clubs like dubstep and breaks can in the form of artists like elemental and reso

sure theres a lot of cheddar in what gets labelled as breaks. Here in NZ theres a whole lot of DJ's who claim to be repping breaks but are playing the more proggy style of house known more commonly as plod made popular in recent times by the stantons and plumps...

...however I've found the average punter loves their music cheese heavy. Me, i like it like how we do, ' dubtech'  for lack of a better word or as rjv/takomo suggested in that thread 'neurodub' and am way looking forward to the next 'our sound'. I reckon it'll kick arse.

On the dubstep front i like it like this and maybe this would be more suited to being labelled 'neurodub'

Christine Vaccines latest mix

http://www.cov-ops.co.uk/lbp/vaccine-feb2007.mp3

(00:00) Helios - "Velius" (remix) [Unreleased, original Merck]
(02:43) Boxcutter - "Gave Dub" (12" mix) [Planet Mu]
(06:20) Vaccine - "Anaesthetic" [forthcoming TBA]
(09:46) One - "Kontrafunk" (Scuba remix) [forthcoming Kontramusik]
(14:15) Scuba - "If I Don't" (dub mix) [Unreleased]
(16:29) Burial - "Gutted" [Hyperdub]
(19:40) Gravious - "Wormsign" [Scuba]
(22:49) Scuba - "Subaqueous" [TBA]
(26:23) Intex Systems - "Titan" (Scuba remix) [forthcoming Dubline]
(30:27) Sileni - "Twitchy Droid Leg" (Vex'd remix) [Offshore]
(34:03) Intex Systems & Ezeekil - "Transfer" (Gravious remix) [forthcoming TBA]
(38:00) Gravious - "Temple Ball" [forthcoming Hotflush]
(40:47) Helios - "Sons of Light and Darkness" [Type]
(43:42) Scuba - "Brown" [forthcoming Hotflush]
>>> The Killers - "Read My Mind" [Island]
(47:49) Scuba - "If I Don't" (rockstep mix) [Unreleased]
>>> Vaccine - "Wishful Thinking" [forthcoming Scuba]
(51:50) Scuba - "Braille Diving" [forthcoming Hotshore]
(56:13) Marlow - "Road Kill" [forthcoming Hotflush]
(59:44) Toasty - "The Knowledge" [Hotflush]
(63:46) Boxcutter - "Bad You Do" (halfstep mix) [Planet Mu]
(68:47) Vaccine - "Wishful Thinking" (VIP) [Unreleased, original forthcoming Scuba]

 





 

[sclist]

psybreaks is probably the hottest shit right now. theres a mix here that will take you to the next level.

the first few minutes sound as if two records weren't beatmatched ..  Still not sure about the remaining bit, I'll give it a listen again later and will decide then ..

[Uncle Basic]

On the dubstep front i like it like this and maybe this would be more suited to being labelled 'neurodub'

Christine Vaccines latest mix

http://www.cov-ops.co.uk/lbp/vaccine-feb2007.mp3

(00:00) Helios - "Velius" (remix) [Unreleased, original Merck]
(02:43) Boxcutter - "Gave Dub" (12" mix) [Planet Mu]
(06:20) Vaccine - "Anaesthetic" [forthcoming TBA]
(09:46) One - "Kontrafunk" (Scuba remix) [forthcoming Kontramusik]
(14:15) Scuba - "If I Don't" (dub mix) [Unreleased]
(16:29) Burial - "Gutted" [Hyperdub]
(19:40) Gravious - "Wormsign" [Scuba]
(22:49) Scuba - "Subaqueous" [TBA]
(26:23) Intex Systems - "Titan" (Scuba remix) [forthcoming Dubline]
(30:27) Sileni - "Twitchy Droid Leg" (Vex'd remix) [Offshore]
(34:03) Intex Systems & Ezeekil - "Transfer" (Gravious remix) [forthcoming TBA]
(38:00) Gravious - "Temple Ball" [forthcoming Hotflush]
(40:47) Helios - "Sons of Light and Darkness" [Type]
(43:42) Scuba - "Brown" [forthcoming Hotflush]
>>> The Killers - "Read My Mind" [Island]
(47:49) Scuba - "If I Don't" (rockstep mix) [Unreleased]
>>> Vaccine - "Wishful Thinking" [forthcoming Scuba]
(51:50) Scuba - "Braille Diving" [forthcoming Hotshore]
(56:13) Marlow - "Road Kill" [forthcoming Hotflush]
(59:44) Toasty - "The Knowledge" [Hotflush]
(63:46) Boxcutter - "Bad You Do" (halfstep mix) [Planet Mu]
(68:47) Vaccine - "Wishful Thinking" (VIP) [Unreleased, original forthcoming Scuba]

 

I got this mix off her myspace I think a few weeks ago. Very good stuff! 

[sclist]

Just saw this post by Si Begg via that link:

heres how i think it works:

1- a few people start making some really good music that sounds quite similar and is differnt to the other stuff around.

2- a club night starts around these people, or maybe a magazine does an article about it , or a compilation is released and a term is coined to describe this new style

3- everyone gets real excited ..because we love a new genre! records shops make a new section, forums are started, more compilation albums, more club nights, more magazine artcicles ..what fun!

4- people start griping that so and so isnt really partof the scene and that record is the wrong tempo or u cant have thosedrums in this scene...much heated debate on who did it first and whatisthe exact definition of the genre

5- new genre totally formualted and neatly organized by the elite scene makers and DJs any imposters refused entry ..everybody happy

6- new genre curls up and dies because the original spark of originality and freshness has been quashed by a rigid formula

7- everyone turns on it saying it wasnt all that in the first place and look for a new scene to destroy

8- repeat every 2-5 years (mainly in london)

Spot on IMO

  of course its spot on because of Si Begg saying it  

I think its a generalisation drawn from what happend to breaks .. I'm not really sure what he's trying to say there 

[stealth]

...and just to follow on cos the point I was trying to make is that the breakstep sound is even more removed form what was originally labelled breakstep such that the link to dubstep is somewhat erroneous

Hmm, not sure if I agree with that. I and a lot of people use 'Dubstep' as a catch-all term for everything that is dark, which has a hint of a syncopated garage-beat. When you start pidgeon-holing stuff into breakstep / dubstep / sinodub  / neurodub you're just repeating the same mistake that DNB made and as Dubstep is such a small genre in comparison it's a stupid move IMO.

Thing is, a lot of people are bored rigid of the half-step sound and hopefully are prepared to mix it up a little and there's a lot of talented individuals coming though - from TRG's neo-garage to Composite Humans industrial-breakstep - it's all Dubstep at the end of the day.

compare toasty and boxcutter to early quest and zed bias and theres little similarity but i do hear quite a similarity to the glitch style of nu skool breakers si begg  and tipper...

Yeah, I agree with you there, but I think it will always be classified as glitch-breaks as the term 'Dubstep' wasn't around at the time AFAIK.
Begg's new dubstep stuff is the fookin' nuts though and a real bonus to the scene. 2007 should be VERY interesting year.

Thanks for the link BTW  

[tko]

Christine Vaccines latest mix

http://www.cov-ops.co.uk/lbp/vaccine-feb2007.mp3

(00:00) Helios - "Velius" (remix) [Unreleased, original Merck]
(02:43) Boxcutter - "Gave Dub" (12" mix) [Planet Mu]
(06:20) Vaccine - "Anaesthetic" [forthcoming TBA]
(09:46) One - "Kontrafunk" (Scuba remix) [forthcoming Kontramusik]
(14:15) Scuba - "If I Don't" (dub mix) [Unreleased]
(16:29) Burial - "Gutted" [Hyperdub]
(19:40) Gravious - "Wormsign" [Scuba]
(22:49) Scuba - "Subaqueous" [TBA]
(26:23) Intex Systems - "Titan" (Scuba remix) [forthcoming Dubline]
(30:27) Sileni - "Twitchy Droid Leg" (Vex'd remix) [Offshore]
(34:03) Intex Systems & Ezeekil - "Transfer" (Gravious remix) [forthcoming TBA]
(38:00) Gravious - "Temple Ball" [forthcoming Hotflush]
(40:47) Helios - "Sons of Light and Darkness" [Type]
(43:42) Scuba - "Brown" [forthcoming Hotflush]
>>> The Killers - "Read My Mind" [Island]
(47:49) Scuba - "If I Don't" (rockstep mix) [Unreleased]
>>> Vaccine - "Wishful Thinking" [forthcoming Scuba]
(51:50) Scuba - "Braille Diving" [forthcoming Hotshore]
(56:13) Marlow - "Road Kill" [forthcoming Hotflush]
(59:44) Toasty - "The Knowledge" [Hotflush]
(63:46) Boxcutter - "Bad You Do" (halfstep mix) [Planet Mu]
(68:47) Vaccine - "Wishful Thinking" (VIP) [Unreleased, original forthcoming Scuba]

 

Nice one - hadn't spotted this.

The vaccine-august2006 mix is probably my favourite 'dubstep' mix - mixes up all the styles and is really musically put together (it even has some non dubstep on there! )

[jim b]