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« on: June 16, 2005, 03:29:33 »

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GPS for your own good

ZD Net | June 15 2005

Last year, a UK insurance company tested a "pay as you drive" insurance system that uses a GPS receiver package to track exactly what distance a car is driven and set each month's premium accordingly. It's a sensible idea: If you leave your car in the garage for a month, there's no reason why you should be charged the same as someone who drove 500 miles over the same period. Even better, because the instruments are transmitting (not just recording), if your car is stolen it can easily be tracked and the miscreants apprehended.

So what?

The system has some interesting potential side effects. For one thing, the police (or an estranged spouse) could easily subpoena your "travel records" for use in an investigation. The insurance company could also start charging based on where your car spends time: Long periods in high-crime neighborhoods would affect your premium accordingly. Even more provocative, companies could begin collecting data on their customers' driving habits: when and how much they speed, how often they change lanes, their tendency to accelerate rapidly or slam on the brakes, and other features of their driving performance that could (potentially) correlate with accident data.

Really good analytics might even indicate when someone is driving in an impaired state (such as he just saw his latest premium notice and is in shock). But the most intriguing and perhaps lifesaving possibility comes when you hook the insurance company's server to a SPAM phone dialer and arrange for a deep, authoritative, machine-generated voice to call and remonstrate with customers who are speeding or otherwise driving recklessly. (Of course, you'll be able to cut the irony with a knife if answering the phone distracts you so much that…you get the idea.)
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2005, 08:44:48 »

interesting......
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 09:18:45 »

turn the fucker off innit  Two Thumbs

that or don't tell the lecherous insurance company your number  Huh
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 10:13:33 »

This is disturbing for so many reasons. First of all GPS is a hideously inaccurate tool, it is never asa accurate as it claims to be. But mainly because this seems like another cog in the Big Brother state we are creating for our children...
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2005, 10:36:08 »

This is disturbing for so many reasons. First of all GPS is a hideously inaccurate tool, it is never asa accurate as it claims to be. But mainly because this seems like another cog in the Big Brother state we are creating for our children...
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2005, 11:38:14 »

hmmm.. worrying implications for sure, but then again anything that may help reduce the farcical fuckin rip off that is UK insurance can't be a bad thing- at least in principle.

Actually this reminds me a bit of my dissertation done 14 yrs ago  Shocked Eek Cry on CCTV and the (at the time) potentially HUGE privacy/big bro implications. Has that been as bad as people at the time feared?
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2005, 12:27:46 »

This is disturbing for so many reasons. First of all GPS is a hideously inaccurate tool, it is never asa accurate as it claims to be. But mainly because this seems like another cog in the Big Brother state we are creating for our children...
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YOU'RE NOT! I'd be the first one on the street protesting if our neo-conservative government decides we are having them. It's not what they will be used for straight away, it's what they could be used for in 100 years time....WE HAVE TO STOP THE ROT...and if we can't stop it we have to delay as long as is humanly possible.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2005, 12:41:38 »

I don't disagree, but I am not totally comfortable with the automatic assumption of negativity and zero faith in inherent human nature that all these big bro and/or conspiracy theories imply.

Or maybe thats pure naivity and blind faith but is everyone in power really (or automatically) that bad?

I hope not, but realistically probably expect so... i dunno, it just saddens me.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2005, 12:58:25 »

This is disturbing for so many reasons. First of all GPS is a hideously inaccurate tool, it is never asa accurate as it claims to be. But mainly because this seems like another cog in the Big Brother state we are creating for our children...
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YOU'RE NOT! I'd be the first one on the street protesting if our neo-conservative government decides we are having them. It's not what they will be used for straight away, it's what they could be used for in 100 years time....WE HAVE TO STOP THE ROT...and if we can't stop it we have to delay as long as is humanly possible.
I see what you mean about that kind of progression being terrifying, but I have mates in Germany who have ID cards for as long as they remember and it's sorted a few things out over there. I'm not very paranoid about it.
I personally think it's just a big cat and mouse situ, the government will always be trying to keep tabs on people, but people will always find loopholes, it's human nature.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2005, 13:31:55 »

Or maybe thats pure naivity and blind faith but is everyone in power really (or automatically) that bad?

Script

Having said that, although i have nothing against ID cards, I don't like the idea of using GPS to keep track of your driving. Technically, commercial GPS is not capable of the accuracy required to keep accurate track of your speed and stand NO CHANCE of detecting lane changes etc...

The idea sounds logical, but you should not be charged for driving your car through high crime areas. That'll just polarize society even more, with people avoiding such areas for financial reasons and trashing their economies (making the area even worse!). Pay as you go car insurance sounds fine, and would probably reduce car usage, but would be detrimental to those who rely on their cars, especially the poor in rural areas.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2005, 16:44:24 »

This is disturbing for so many reasons. First of all GPS is a hideously inaccurate tool, it is never asa accurate as it claims to be. But mainly because this seems like another cog in the Big Brother state we are creating for our children...
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YOU'RE NOT! I'd be the first one on the street protesting if our neo-conservative government decides we are having them. It's not what they will be used for straight away, it's what they could be used for in 100 years time....WE HAVE TO STOP THE ROT...and if we can't stop it we have to delay as long as is humanly possible.

Bang on the fuckin money Ed. Scares the shizer outta me. Sad
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2016, 08:15:21 »

11 years later - everyone's abandoned anonymous forums and uses Facebook to communicate.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2016, 11:12:52 »

11 years later - everyone's abandoned anonymous forums and uses Facebook to communicate.

I've always used a fake name on FB.
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2016, 01:25:11 »

11 years later - everyone's abandoned anonymous forums and uses Facebook to communicate.

I've always used a fake name on FB.

Any photos though?
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2016, 10:03:32 »

11 years later - everyone's abandoned anonymous forums and uses Facebook to communicate.

I've always used a fake name on FB.

Any photos though?

Only on one account. My profile picture is a drum machine though.
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