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« on: April 24, 2006, 18:31:07 »

If I am writing an essay, and I have a subheading which I have underlined, do all words in that heading have to be started with a capital letter?

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2006, 18:34:58 »

Is the heading a sentence? if so then the first letter does but nothing else , if it's not quite a sentence then only the key words are in capitals, or proper nouns, pronouns don't have to be.

They were the rules we followed in publishing anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2006, 18:42:29 »

If I am writing an essay, and I have a subheading which I have underlined, do all words in that heading have to be started with a capital letter?
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I concur with Emma; only capitalise if they're proper nouns.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2006, 18:48:04 »

Yargh, 'tis a proper sentence. Thanks guys!
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2006, 19:20:41 »

and while we're (nearly) on the subject, can 'TEH' please fuck off now?

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2006, 19:23:16 »

and while we're (nearly) on the subject, can 'TEH' please fuck off now?
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What about "ROFL"?
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2006, 19:32:00 »

and while we're (nearly) on the subject, can 'TEH' please fuck off now?
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What about "ROFL"?
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2006, 19:49:58 »

and while we're (nearly) on the subject, can 'TEH' please fuck off now?
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What about "ROFL"?


i dont mind that... its just teh.

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2006, 19:55:02 »

and while we're (nearly) on the subject, can 'TEH' please fuck off now?
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What about "ROFL"?
i dont mind that... its just teh.
AARRGGGHHH

I really don't see what teh problem is.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2006, 19:57:58 »

If I am writing an essay, and I have a subheading which I have underlined, do all words in that heading have to be started with a capital letter?

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I think it would be in the spirit of the Hijack grammar experts to point out that this is not a question about grammar, but typesetting.  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2006, 19:59:06 »

and while we're (nearly) on the subject, can 'TEH' please fuck off now?
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What about "ROFL"?
i dont mind that... its just teh.
AARRGGGHHH

I really don't see what teh problem is.


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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2006, 20:00:18 »

If I am writing an essay, and I have a subheading which I have underlined, do all words in that heading have to be started with a capital letter?

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I think it would be in the spirit of the Hijack grammar experts to point out that this is not a question about grammar, but typesetting.  Two Thumbs

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2006, 07:08:37 »

Also, it's not good practice to underline things anymore.

Bold text please - underlining is from teh days of typewriters where there was no bold option. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2006, 10:33:57 »

and while we're (nearly) on the subject, can 'TEH' please fuck off now?
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What about "ROFL"?
i dont mind that... its just teh.
AARRGGGHHH

I really don't see what teh problem is.


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Typo?  Huh
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2006, 11:10:43 »

and while we're (nearly) on the subject, can 'TEH' please fuck off now?
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What about "ROFL"?
i don't mind that... its just teh.
AARRGGGHHH

I really don't see what teh problem is.


 Tut Tut
Exactly, what is the point!- Its not as if it saves any time by abbreviating. 'Teh' is wrong people, don't do it!  Tut Tut
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2006, 11:14:49 »

Also, it's not good practice to underline things anymore.

Bold text please - underlining is from teh days of typewriters where there was no bold option. Smiley

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2006, 16:30:04 »

What is the difference between 'learnt' and 'learned'?

I have to write a paragraph on what I have learned/learnt and I'm not sure which it is (I think it's the latter)

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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2006, 16:41:10 »

They are both past participles of "to learn" but "learned" is the perfect tense, "learnt" is the imperfect and sometimes needs the auxiliary "have learnt", suggesting that it is an action that is over.  "Learned" on its own is the perfect tense and is more general to describe somtehing in the past yo!

Like:

"I learned about it in the newspaper" or "I learned French".  The learning has gone on, but in a general sense and simply indicated that learning occurred.
"Yesterday I learnt the offside rule." or "I learnt French at school."   It is an action that was completed at a definite point in time.

Sorry I dunno if I have explained that well....
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2006, 16:43:51 »

I've always had problems with affected and effected, never know which to use  Huh
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2006, 16:49:14 »

They are both past participles of "to learn" but "learned" is the perfect tense, "learnt" is the imperfect and sometimes needs the auxiliary "have learnt", suggesting that it is an action that is over.  "Learned" on its own is the perfect tense and is more general to describe somtehing in the past yo!

Like:

"I learned about it in the newspaper" or "I learned French".  The learning has gone on, but in a general sense and simply indicated that learning occurred.
"Yesterday I learnt the offside rule." or "I learnt French at school."   It is an action that was completed at a definite point in time.

Sorry I dunno if I have explained that well....

Ah - I understand now - thanks!
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2006, 16:52:00 »

I've always had problems with affected and effected, never know which to use  Huh

Affected is when you are/something is affected by something or someone. Effected is to bring something into existence or to produce something as a result.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2006, 16:57:21 »

I've always had problems with affected and effected, never know which to use  Huh
Ah that one is cool; Affect is something that you do (verb).  To affect something is to change it or modify it.  The "effect" is the resulting change that occurs (noun). 

Sarah B: "I wore a low-cut top to Subloaded to affect Blazey in a mad way"
Blazey: "Man, Sarah's top really had a mad effect on me!"

There is no word "effected" (unless you're American in which case I think that you can use it), but there is the past tense "affected". Smiley

An easy way to remember it is because a comes before e in the alphabet, so you need to first affect something to get the desired effect out of it! Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2006, 17:59:26 »

cheers guys  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2006, 20:10:25 »

I really like how square this thread is. I find it strangely reassuring.  NERD ALERT! Two Thumbs
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2006, 22:38:32 »


Sarah B: "I wore a low-cut top to Subloaded to affect Blazey in a mad way"
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2006, 01:46:28 »

I've always had problems with affected and effected, never know which to use  Huh
Ah that one is cool; Affect is something that you do (verb).  To affect something is to change it or modify it.  The "effect" is the resulting change that occurs (noun). 

Sarah B: "I wore a low-cut top to Subloaded to affect Blazey in a mad way"
Blazey: "Man, Sarah's top really had a mad effect on me!"

There is no word "effected" (unless you're American in which case I think that you can use it), but there is the past tense "affected". Smiley

An easy way to remember it is because a comes before e in the alphabet, so you need to first affect something to get the desired effect out of it! Smiley

you can't use it if you're an educated American.  I just spent 10 minutes trying to come up with a use for "effected" and I can't, it is and always is "affected" (trust me, its only the hicks/uneducated Americans that use "effected").

I remember this by thinking A for ACTION.   Two Thumbs

note: also so says the AP style manual  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2006, 09:50:43 »

comprise vs compose
Again, from the American Heritage College Dictionary:

    comprise tr. v.
    1. To consist of; be composed of. 2. To include; contain. 3. Usage Problem. To compose; constitute.

    Usage Note: The whole comprises the parts; the parts compose the whole. In strict usage: The Union comprises 50 states. Fifty states compose the Union. While comprise is increasingly used in place of compose, in an earlier survey a majority of the Usage Panel found this use of comprise unacceptable.
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2006, 10:39:51 »


you can't use it if you're an educated American.  I just spent 10 minutes trying to come up with a use for "effected" and I can't, it is and always is "affected" (trust me, its only the hicks/uneducated Americans that use "effected").
I was hoping to ask about that actually Katie, since English is spoken mostly in the world by non-UK peeps so it's a dynamic always-changing thing, and we witness big changes in the language in our own lifetimes.  I was wondering if you've noticed a change in American English in your lifetime too, since lots more foreign people are learning American English rather than trad. English since it's easier and more useful.  Maybe it's affecting American English's development too. Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2006, 10:58:57 »


you can't use it if you're an educated American.  I just spent 10 minutes trying to come up with a use for "effected" and I can't, it is and always is "affected" (trust me, its only the hicks/uneducated Americans that use "effected").
I was hoping to ask about that actually Katie, since English is spoken mostly in the world by non-UK peeps so it's a dynamic always-changing thing, and we witness big changes in the language in our own lifetimes.  I was wondering if you've noticed a change in American English in your lifetime too, since lots more foreign people are learning American English rather than trad. English since it's easier and more useful.  Maybe it's affecting American English's development too. Smiley

if anything, i've noticed a lot more people being concerned about proper grammar and a lot LESS people being taught how to speak correctly in school.   then again, i hang out with a buncha dorks and we sit around and actually discuss things like this  NERD ALERT!

if anything, a few slang terms have been incorporated, "esse" is one I hear quite frequently spoken by Americans (means 'homie' in Mexico) - but off the top of my head (at 7am on a Saturday mind  Angry) I can't think of any MAJOR major changes that I've seen American English undergo.

There's just a lot more of a hispanic influence overall, and for the LAST time you brits - fajitas is pronounced "fa- hee - tas" not "fa - gee - tas"  I'M SO ANGRY!
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2006, 15:38:32 »


you can't use it if you're an educated American.  I just spent 10 minutes trying to come up with a use for "effected" and I can't, it is and always is "affected" (trust me, its only the hicks/uneducated Americans that use "effected").
I was hoping to ask about that actually Katie, since English is spoken mostly in the world by non-UK peeps so it's a dynamic always-changing thing, and we witness big changes in the language in our own lifetimes.  I was wondering if you've noticed a change in American English in your lifetime too, since lots more foreign people are learning American English rather than trad. English since it's easier and more useful.  Maybe it's affecting American English's development too. Smiley

if anything, i've noticed a lot more people being concerned about proper grammar and a lot LESS people being taught how to speak correctly in school.   then again, i hang out with a buncha dorks and we sit around and actually discuss things like this  NERD ALERT!

if anything, a few slang terms have been incorporated, "esse" is one I hear quite frequently spoken by Americans (means 'homie' in Mexico) - but off the top of my head (at 7am on a Saturday mind  Angry) I can't think of any MAJOR major changes that I've seen American English undergo.

There's just a lot more of a hispanic influence overall, and for the LAST time you brits - fajitas is pronounced "fa- hee - tas" not "fa - gee - tas"  I'M SO ANGRY!

NO, kt, it's FAN-JEE-TAS  Bad Teeth
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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2006, 15:49:35 »

i prunounsez eet

meck - see - kan
butt - ees

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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2006, 16:12:28 »

Sorry dudes, but "effect" is also a verb as well as a noun!

An action can have an effect, for example.

But, "to effect" means to bring about, or to initialise, i.e. to "effect change". It is subjective, relating to the viewpoint of the thing doing the "effecting".

The verb "affect", on the other hand, is objective, and used relative to the viewpoint of the object being affected.

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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2006, 21:17:20 »

I'd like to have Jah-Step added to the local vocabulary.
It is a generic term for music with audible reggae influences, for example;roots,ragga,dancehall,dubstep,dubwise,ragga-jungle and ragga breakcore.
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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2006, 21:37:22 »

I'd like to have Jah-Step added to the local vocabulary.
It is a generic term for music with audible reggae influences, for example;roots,ragga,dancehall,dubstep,dubwise,ragga-jungle and ragga breakcore.
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...which are all pretty much the same genre really  Wink
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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2007, 19:04:15 »

Urgent help please!

If I am discussing the Government, as in this particular Government which is currently in power, do I give it a capital G?
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« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2007, 20:17:40 »

Yes, I would say so. government without a capital would descirbe the actual act of ruling, i.e. "the government of the people" whereas Government is the people doing the governing
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« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2007, 20:33:05 »

Thanks muchly.

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« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2007, 20:42:34 »

Lightning round, one simple answer, yes or no, to the following question:



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The Oxford Comma. Yes or no?
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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2007, 20:50:30 »

no

The Chinese guy at work today asked me the difference between 'TOO' and 'AS WELL'
Which i tried to explain with little success and only confused him by adding that you can also use 'ALSO'. Is there an specific difference?
Anyone care to elaborate?
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« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2007, 20:53:27 »

oooh unlucky. im afraid that's the wrong answer kosieringo.
the answer we were looking for was "no."
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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2007, 20:58:08 »

oooh unlucky. im afraid that's the wrong answer kosieringo.
the answer we were looking for was "no."
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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2007, 21:10:45 »

 Doh!

anyway in answer to your question there is no difference they are synonyms
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« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2007, 21:13:03 »

It bugs me when people write 'aswell', or use 'too' instead of 'to' or the other way around.
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« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2007, 21:20:43 »

It bugs me when people write 'aswell', or use 'too' instead of 'to' or the other way around.

yeah I'm the same about when people murder in cold blood
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« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2007, 21:26:18 »

then
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if we had a spoken language that also involved writing the words while saying them aloud i would be arrested for gbh after hearing someone use "im better then that girl over there" or "its darker then that other thing" or well you catch my drift.
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« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2007, 21:44:41 »

I got your joke "harry", i instinctually read it in a peter griffin voice, probably helped.

"too/to" never fails to vex me.

also, i believe there to be valid usage of the word "effected" within the context of audio (and possibly visual) processing (slang:fx'd), but maybe that's merely an insidious parlance lodged in my brain after hanging out with the wrong crowd.

"that bass is f***in' sick! what was it effected with?"

i'd give a less contrived example were i not using a 2400 baud modem (nearest equiv.)
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« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2007, 21:47:15 »

my name is actually harry you know that's why i called myself "i am harry" there's no need for the quotations it makes me feel kind of sad like you're speaking down to me in a condescending manner maybe you should think next time before you use quotations so recklessly. Cry
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« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2007, 22:05:46 »

I was feral until I was 12 and spent my gcses doing buckets and listening to tape packs. As a result my grammar is shocking and I can only write joined up with crayons

but - as I know something about almost everything, I have managed to hold down a job as a well paid rich person and now and again I have sex with girls (someone of them I haven't even paid very much)
there is hope and if the worse comes to worse , dictate it and get some one else to fucking do it.
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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2007, 22:11:33 »

kofi annan you are my hero do you think i'll ever get to be in the UN Secretary-General?
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« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2007, 22:31:26 »

Kofi annan you are my hero do you think i'll ever get to be in the UN Secretary-General?

what you want to fuck him, go for it , follow your dream , 
maybe a digit up his bum or a reach around at worst
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