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« on: March 14, 2012, 10:03:59 »

In a city as creative as Bristol, why is it such a challenge as a promoter. Things need to change this situation is a load of fucking bollox
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 10:14:15 »

put on a warehouse party instead.
all clubs in Bristol are poo for one reason or another.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 10:27:33 »

Come on then, name names.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 10:29:39 »

Come on then, name names.

I'm not naming any names  Smiley just venting frustration at the way things are here. In any market or economy, monopolies do one thing and that is hold back creativity and innovation. I think it's a big problem in Bristol
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 10:30:31 »

Elaborate please.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 10:32:07 »

all clubs in Bristol are poo

Oh FFS  Roll Eyes generalisation much? What would you prefer exactly? Go to most other towns in the UK and be met with identikit meat-market clubs playing atrocious music as a mere backdrop to drink promotions and pulling, with only a smattering of the sort of interesting little (and big) venues Bristol has. No city is perfect and all clubs have issues from time to time, but "all Bristol clubs are poo"? On yer bike mate.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 10:36:05 »

In a city as creative as Bristol, why is it such a challenge as a promoter. Things need to change this situation is a load of fucking bollox

While I agree that there are a few promoters that have most of the big nights, those promoters started just as small as well and have worked hard to make the successes that they have made. There will always be more promoters that fail than succeed, this will be to do with many things, such as
1) Not enough audience for your choice of music,
2) Too many other nights doing something very similar,
3) Not very good at promo,
4) Not very good at creating a good atmosphere,
5) It's a shit night... etc. etc.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 10:37:16 »

put on a warehouse party instead.
all clubs in Bristol are poo for one reason or another.

yea that really is a stupid comment. I'm still surprised by the variety of music is this city and always finding little gems and forgetting about old ones to then come back to them.

I can only assume that comment was made by the fact you can't drown in K and bring your dog to clubs in town  Bad Teeth
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 10:41:09 »

Come on then, name names.

I'm not naming any names  Smiley just venting frustration at the way things are here. In any market or economy, monopolies do one thing and that is hold back creativity and innovation. I think it's a big problem in Bristol

Do something different then. There was an opening party on Saturday at The Looking Glass. This as the old Rummer pub that has just been done up with the help of a load people putting time in for free to create a positive space to be used for creative projects and events.

If life gives you lemons, put it in a G&T and have a fucking party.
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 10:43:06 »

If only Clockwork was still standing, eh?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2012, 10:45:14 »

If only Clockwork was still standing, eh?  Roll Eyes

Come on man, don't dredge up the past. Hijack knows it fucked up on that one, and we all cry ourselves to sleep at night knowing that it was Hijack that ruined Christmas for everyone.
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 10:49:19 »

i remember that post about mkf being paid in punch by clockwork
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 10:50:45 »

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 10:56:34 »

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 11:01:53 »

In a city as creative as Bristol, why is it such a challenge as a promoter. Things need to change this situation is a load of fucking bollox


Just because you put on a night it doesn't mean people will come. Bristol is not that big a place, there are only so many punters to go round.

People will trust certain promoters because they have built a reputation over a number of years. All the 'big' promoters started small and steadily built up.

I'm afraid you just sound bitter.
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 11:03:58 »

What do you expect to achieve by vaguely moaning about your beef in the public domain? You will only make your situation worse.

Stop being a baby, and find a more proactive way to improve your night/promo. This type of thing never has and never will have anything other than a negative effect.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 11:06:58 »

What do you expect to achieve by vaguely moaning about your beef in the public domain? You will only make your situation worse.

Stop being a baby, and find a more proactive way to improve your night/promo. This type of thing never has and never will have anything other than a negative effect.

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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 11:08:48 »

I blame promoters and their mates....
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 11:10:24 »

What do you expect to achieve by vaguely moaning about your beef in the public domain? You will only make your situation worse.

Stop being a baby, and find a more proactive way to improve your night/promo. This type of thing never has and never will have anything other than a negative effect.


Don't listen to him, get it all off your chest, it'll do you good.

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 11:11:18 »

If only Clockwork was still standing, eh?  Roll Eyes

Come on man, don't dredge up the past. Hijack knows it fucked up on that one, and we all cry ourselves to sleep at night knowing that it was Hijack that ruined Christmas for everyone.

Causing Clockwork to close was Hijack's darkest hour.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2012, 11:13:25 »

I blame promoters and their mates....

http://www.hijackbristol.co.uk/board/the-forum/promoters-and-their-mates!!!!/


I was just looking for that as you posted.
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2012, 11:20:20 »

I have a feeling I know who you could be referring to.
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2012, 11:20:45 »

yay a thread about music in Bristol !
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2012, 11:21:38 »

I have a feeling I know the first names of who you could be referring to.

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2012, 11:26:27 »

What do you expect to achieve by vaguely moaning about your beef in the public domain? You will only make your situation worse.

Stop being a baby, and find a more proactive way to improve your night/promo. This type of thing never has and never will have anything other than a negative effect.


Don't listen to him, get it all off your chest, it'll do you good.

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I have a feeling I know the first names of who you could be referring to.

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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2012, 11:40:51 »

You're doing it wrong! (and if you're not doing it. stfu and do it!)

edit/ serious note though. Bristol needs a good 200 - 500 cap club. the closure of level, tube & native massively closed this hole. however, there loads of great new nights coming through. some examples, shapes & piff
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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2012, 11:41:28 »

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2012, 11:42:35 »

Very good able, your kung fu is strong

Thanks Matt. Very kind.
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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2012, 11:52:43 »

In a city as creative as Bristol, why is it such a challenge as a promoter. Things need to change this situation is a load of fucking bollox


Just because you put on a night it doesn't mean people will come. Bristol is not that big a place, there are only so many punters to go round.

People will trust certain promoters because they have built a reputation over a number of years. All the 'big' promoters started small and steadily built up.

I'm afraid you just sound bitter.

I'd also add that there are still plenty of smaller nights, well away from the larger and more established events, that do pretty well for themselves. Doesn't sound like a monopoly to me.

Of course, if you're trying to book the same acts as the larger promotions, then you're going to have problems in terms of competing with established names. A lot of the larger nights are successful for the very reason that they weren't copying an already established event or booking the same artists as everyone else. They worked hard at building their own name / brand / scene.

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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2012, 12:00:22 »

Bristol needs a good 200 - 500 cap club.

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Thanks Matt. Very kind.

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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2012, 12:20:52 »

Simply wait a few years and then you wont care  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2012, 12:24:59 »

Simply wait a few years and then you wont care  Two Thumbs

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« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2012, 12:25:23 »

Is it, loads of shit musicians being put on stage by shit promoters of shit nights that do shit.

OR

Bristol is a student town and the boys want the girls in short skirts and the girls don't want to go to some speed-folk night at Mothers Ruin.

Discuss.
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edit/ serious note though. Bristol needs a good 200 - 500 cap club. the closure of level, tube & native massively closed this hole. however, there loads of great new nights coming through. some examples, shapes & piff

This.

My main beef is with the lack of venues of medium size where you can put on decent nights that you can build on. I also just love raving in smaller clubs a lot of the time atmosphere wise. Native, Level and Tube were and remain my favourite Bristol clubs.

Also clubs that appeal to a wider demographic and a lot of the clubs are absolute shit holes as well which isn't nice.



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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2012, 12:58:29 »

Monopoly on what ? DJ's ? surely the DJ picks where they want to play and 9/10 that will be at an established night that sells out in a good club.
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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2012, 13:02:38 »

In a city as creative as Bristol, why is it such a challenge as a promoter. Things need to change this situation is a load of fucking bollox


Just because you put on a night it doesn't mean people will come. Bristol is not that big a place, there are only so many punters to go round.

People will trust certain promoters because they have built a reputation over a number of years. All the 'big' promoters started small and steadily built up.

I'm afraid you just sound bitter.

I'd also add that there are still plenty of smaller nights, well away from the larger and more established events, that do pretty well for themselves. Doesn't sound like a monopoly to me.

Of course, if you're trying to book the same acts as the larger promotions, then you're going to have problems in terms of competing with established names. A lot of the larger nights are successful for the very reason that they weren't copying an already established event or booking the same artists as everyone else. They worked hard at building their own name / brand / scene.



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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2012, 13:37:18 »

It's not a case of needing to build up events etc.. Last year I was running innovation in Bristol and rammed Lakota out to a degree not achieved by many promoters in its history. Aside from that, I've either ran events solely or as part of the team at venues across mthe country in addition to production for numerous festivals, I consider myself as someone who is more than competent as a promoter or event Organiser.

The problem is that when you try to do large events in Bristol you are massively restricted to what you can do, despite how much money you have, credentials as a promoter or whatever.

This isn't true regarding all styles of music, but certainly within the arenas I with to promote. For years I have tried work behind the scenes to gain the right opportunities to stage the events I want to put on, but what it all boils down to is pretty much all of the top artists are locked down by too few promoters and the best venues are monopolised, meaning people like me who want to put amazing events on and have the investment and expertise to make them successfu are at a massive disadvantage  because we can never get the venues or the artists.

Yes I may make myself look like whatever, but to be honest I'm way past that. Bristols dance music scene is monopolised and controlled by very few. Monopolies are not good for markets.

And yes, innovate, create and do something massively different.. Certainly what I have planned for 2013... But it would be great if we could have a more even playing field in Bristol, t
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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2012, 13:40:33 »

TBF, I'm kinda inclined to agree with Lee, there is a monopoly on nights / clubs / artists etc in Bristol, and the hands change every few years... but the only reason its there is because these promoters do their job the best, and dedicate themselves to it full time... if smaller nights build up a rep, with emerging artists/sounds, and then move onto larger raves, I'm sure they'll knock the top boys off their perch eventually (or more likely, join forces)
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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2012, 13:41:06 »

And yes, innovate, create and do something massively different

It's just people playing music, so unless you're into Punksi-esque tarkastep or fartcore, what really can be done that's so innovative or massively different?
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2012, 13:44:48 »

TBF, I'm kinda inclined to agree with Lee, there is a monopoly on nights / clubs / artists etc in Bristol, and the hands change every few years... but the only reason its there is because these promoters do their job the best, and dedicate themselves to it full time... if smaller nights build up a rep, with emerging artists/sounds, and then move onto larger raves, I'm sure they'll knock the top boys off their perch eventually (or more likely, join forces)

This. You can't be annoyed at other people if your night falls flat on it's face.

Promoting is a fucking hard job! Fair play to the big boys that have made it work - I know for a fact it hasn't been peaches and cream for them since day one.

The risks involved are massive when running nights that size (trust me!). Best of luck to you mate!  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2012, 13:52:27 »

do something massively different

Doing something massively different like, oh, I don't know, maybe asking a dj if they want a gig before putting the name on a flyer, then maybe not acting like a little bitch when they point out that you haven't even bought them a drink let alone paid them. Something like that yeah?

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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2012, 14:07:37 »

Come on then, name names.

There is that one name that always comes up in these threads!  he´s got Monopoly over Bristol music scene?
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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2012, 14:09:50 »

It's one of those Merchant Venturer fellas, isn't it?

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« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2012, 14:10:51 »

Scrampy is a Merchant Venturer?

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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2012, 14:14:43 »

Scrampy is a Merchant Venturer?

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That explains a lot.

No the other promoter guy who always gets blamed for all kind of stuff? whats his name? He post over here or at least he used to!
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