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« on: March 28, 2012, 12:05:17 »

http://www.squashcampaign.org/2012/03/all-over-squatting-in-residential-properties-criminalised/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_lords/newsid_9709000/9709109.stm

Basically this will make a criminal offence of residential squatting.Whatever your view of squatting this can't be good news surely?
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 12:18:39 »

What is the full definition of squatting in the eyes of the law? It's not my thing, but I have read on here plenty of occasions where there have been agreements with owners on squatting, I guess most likely after they've actually started occupying the property. If you get someone's permission BEFORE setting foot into an unoccupied property and still doing the same as you normally do, would that no longer constitute squatting per se?
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 12:25:23 »

What is the full definition of squatting in the eyes of the law? It's not my thing, but I have read on here plenty of occasions where there have been agreements with owners on squatting, I guess most likely after they've actually started occupying the property. If you get someone's permission BEFORE setting foot into an unoccupied property and still doing the same as you normally do, would that no longer constitute squatting per se?

From my understanding, once you have an agreement with the owner, it is no longer squatting - even if you aren't paying any rent.

The building has to be unoccupied, this does not mean you can take someone's house when they are on holiday etc.. there are fast track processes that move people out almost immediately in those kind of cases. You must then get in, without getting caught, and secure all entrances to the building. There also has to be a 24 hr presence, if it is empty at any point, even with a section 6 in the window, the owner (or anyone else) can enter and secure it.

There are loads of other bits and pieces but that, as I understand it, is the basics.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 12:28:17 »

FUCKING GOOD JOB.
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 12:30:24 »

no, not with permission...

in amsterdam i knew a chap who was subletting a squat... yes thats right, subletting a squat

it was an old apartment building scheduled for demolition... people had moved in, then the council starting collecting £30 a week rent from everyone.

the squatter was hanging on because he wanted the council to offer him another flat, which they probably would when they wanted to demolish...

ditto for another man who'd been squatting a house for 20+ years... eventually he started paying £40 a month rent but had to do all repairs himself.

also in holland they have an organisation called "anti-kraak" that rent empty buildings for cheap so they can't be squatted

had heard they've criminalised squatting in holland too but don't know the full ins and outs, used to be able to squat a building that was empty for a year... this was to protect against price speculation
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 12:32:57 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2012, 12:33:39 »

FUCKING GOOD JOB.

I'am not goign to get in a debate on here as I PERSONNALY express my self when meeting people. But cutting this huge piece of history law and common sense by three words in capital letters is pretty poor. But I guess everyone has a opinion and this is what make our lost world go round   Bad Teeth
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2012, 12:36:24 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
Typical Guardian there speculating with some monkey-maths done on the back of a fag packet. Only then to use said stats to scare/anger tax payers into blaming the government for trying to hook little shits that don't pay any...
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 12:38:30 »

FUCKING GOOD JOB.
But I guess everyone has a opinion and this is what make our lost world go round 
Well it certainly isn't the transient limbo-artistes that live in the shadows with their hand out.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 12:39:03 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
Typical Guardian there speculating with some monkey-maths done on the back of a fag packet. Only then to use said stats to scare/anger tax payers into blaming the government for trying to hook little shits that don't pay any...

Just because you squat, does not mean that you don't pay tax.
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2012, 12:39:54 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
Typical Guardian there speculating with some monkey-maths done on the back of a fag packet. Only then to use said stats to scare/anger tax payers into blaming the government for trying to hook little shits that don't pay any...

Just because you squat, does not mean that you don't pay tax.
Yes it does.
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2012, 12:43:11 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
Typical Guardian there speculating with some monkey-maths done on the back of a fag packet. Only then to use said stats to scare/anger tax payers into blaming the government for trying to hook little shits that don't pay any...

Just because you squat, does not mean that you don't pay tax.
Yes it does.

It doesnt and again I'm not going to get in this debate but unfortunately some people do have very set minds to there views which is very important but somtimes misleading.....I used to listen to what my parents said once and then grew up...
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2012, 12:44:12 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
Typical Guardian there speculating with some monkey-maths done on the back of a fag packet. Only then to use said stats to scare/anger tax payers into blaming the government for trying to hook little shits that don't pay any...

Just because you squat, does not mean that you don't pay tax.
Yes it does.

It doesnt
Yes it does.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2012, 12:45:15 »

Depends on what tax we're talking about here
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2012, 12:53:08 »

Depends on what tax we're talking about here
Exactly.
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2012, 13:01:01 »

Good Job.

cutting this huge piece of history law and common sense by three words in capital letters is pretty poor.

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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2012, 13:30:16 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
Typical Guardian there speculating with some monkey-maths done on the back of a fag packet. Only then to use said stats to scare/anger tax payers into blaming the government for trying to hook little shits that don't pay any...

Just because you squat, does not mean that you don't pay tax.
Yes it does.

It doesnt
Yes it does.

I can see you have a lot to judge on the subject but not a lot to defend so I'll take this as a compliment !  Wink  Even tho this is a much wider debate which includes, homeless people, immigrants, jobless people and many more. And I do believe that if these people cannot find a roof over there heads why couldnt they utilise in perfect respect of the property some empty building for a few nights or maybe do something of a comunity with it.Without places and people who do work there arses off for their beliefes you wouldnt have places such as stokes croft, The kebele center, Invisible circus, The wild goose and so many more places that actually are here to help others. if people prefer to pay more money on their cigarettes thats their views I'd rather pay a bit more taxes on people than drugs....
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2012, 13:37:19 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
Typical Guardian there speculating with some monkey-maths done on the back of a fag packet. Only then to use said stats to scare/anger tax payers into blaming the government for trying to hook little shits that don't pay any...

Just because you squat, does not mean that you don't pay tax.
Yes it does.

It doesnt
Yes it does.

I can see you have a lot to judge on the subject but not a lot to defend so I'll take this as a compliment !  Wink  Even tho this is a much wider debate which includes, homeless people, immigrants, jobless people and many more. And I do believe that if these people cannot find a roof over there heads why couldnt they utilise in perfect respect of the property some empty building for a few nights or maybe do something of a comunity with it.Without places and people who do work there arses off for their beliefes you wouldnt have places such as stokes croft, The kebele center, Invisible circus, The wild goose and so many more places that actually are here to help others. if people prefer to pay more money on their cigarettes thats their views I'd rather pay a bit more taxes on people than drugs....
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2012, 13:37:50 »

Can we just make theiving Gypos illegal? I'm not really fussed about squatters.
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2012, 13:38:50 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/16/squatting-law-reforms-taxpayer
"Squatting law reforms 'could cost taxpayers £790m over five years'
Extension of squatting law could cost 20 times official estimates and wipe out legal aid budget savings, campaigners warn"
Typical Guardian there speculating with some monkey-maths done on the back of a fag packet. Only then to use said stats to scare/anger tax payers into blaming the government for trying to hook little shits that don't pay any...

Just because you squat, does not mean that you don't pay tax.
Yes it does.

It doesnt
Yes it does.

I can see you have a lot to judge on the subject but not a lot to defend so I'll take this as a compliment !  Wink  Even tho this is a much wider debate which includes, homeless people, immigrants, jobless people and many more. And I do believe that if these people cannot find a roof over there heads why couldnt they utilise in perfect respect of the property some empty building for a few nights or maybe do something of a comunity with it.Without places and people who do work there arses off for their beliefes you wouldnt have places such as stokes croft, The kebele center, Invisible circus, The wild goose and so many more places that actually are here to help others. if people prefer to pay more money on their cigarettes thats their views I'd rather pay a bit more taxes on people than drugs....
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2012, 13:39:22 »

Can we just make theiving Gypos illegal? I'm not really fussed about squatters.

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2012, 16:59:53 »

holy crap.

I can't see the harm to be honest. if the buildings are empty and people need a home.

Just before we bought our house some squatters moved in and I was pretty anxious and angry at the time. Luckily it was still the previous owner's responsibility and he must have 'kindly' asked them to vacate as they were out within a couple of days and we exchanged contracts.

We moved in to find the house was clean and tidy. the garden had been worked on and we had a full bin of firewood for the open fires.

mostly they're pretty nice, mostly.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2012, 17:28:16 »

All the mansion squats finally paid off then.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2012, 18:13:11 »

What is the full definition of squatting in the eyes of the law? It's not my thing, but I have read on here plenty of occasions where there have been agreements with owners on squatting, I guess most likely after they've actually started occupying the property. If you get someone's permission BEFORE setting foot into an unoccupied property and still doing the same as you normally do, would that no longer constitute squatting per se?

From my understanding, once you have an agreement with the owner, it is no longer squatting - even if you aren't paying any rent.

The building has to be unoccupied, this does not mean you can take someone's house when they are on holiday etc.. there are fast track processes that move people out almost immediately in those kind of cases. You must then get in, without getting caught, and secure all entrances to the building. There also has to be a 24 hr presence, if it is empty at any point, even with a section 6 in the window, the owner (or anyone else) can enter and secure it.

There are loads of other bits and pieces but that, as I understand it, is the basics.

thats the basics, you forgot the bit about not breaking into the property  Undecided




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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2012, 19:29:22 »

Oh no they might all have to move back in with mummy and daddy in the cotswolds...
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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2012, 20:01:27 »

I can't see the harm to be honest. if the buildings are empty and people need a home.
You do realise how ridiculous this sounds, right?
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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2012, 21:23:24 »

I guess some squatters may pay paye, but none pay council tax.

I approve, I really cannot see what someone who is taking something that is not theirs has to complain about.
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2012, 21:50:35 »

Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that:
“Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control”

I don't see why perfectly usable buildings should go empty when people who are in need of shelter could use them. "Not everyone who squats would be homeless otherwise" and "some of them are messy" are not valid arguments against a human right.
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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2012, 22:29:03 »

Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that:

Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control”

I don't see why perfectly usable buildings should go empty when people who are in need of shelter could use them. "Not everyone who squats would be homeless otherwise" and "some of them are messy" are not valid arguments against a human right.

Great post ^

I am off to shoplift some food and clothes as these are a human right!

The fact that I can afford to buy these items but choose not to spend my money on them is not a valid argument - they are a basic human right.

Stop oppressing me society!
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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2012, 23:14:53 »

Whatever your view of squatting this can't be good news surely?

FUCKING GOOD JOB.

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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2012, 23:46:13 »

Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that:

Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control”

I don't see why perfectly usable buildings should go empty when people who are in need of shelter could use them. "Not everyone who squats would be homeless otherwise" and "some of them are messy" are not valid arguments against a human right.

Great post ^

I am off to shoplift some food and clothes as these are a human right!

The fact that I can afford to buy these items but choose not to spend my money on them is not a valid argument - they are a basic human right.

Stop oppressing me society!
But these clothes and food are just sitting on a shelf! No one is using it...
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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2012, 03:15:46 »

Ignoring my point being mainly about genuinely homeless people and equating eating food off a supermarket shelf with temporarily seeking shelter in an unoccupied building is pretty sterling work.
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2012, 05:45:19 »

How many squatters are there in Bristol?

My friend works for the council as a neighbourhood officer and he says there are actually only about 12 registered homeless in Bristol. Those guys in Clifton who want an aga seem to be squatting to make a point, rather than because they have a genuine need.
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2012, 06:27:26 »

How many squatters are there in Bristol?

My friend works for the council as a neighbourhood officer and he says there are actually only about 12 registered homeless in Bristol. Those guys in Clifton who want an aga seem to be squatting to make a point, rather than because they have a genuine need.

almost right...it seems to me they are doing it for a laugh rather than making a point

i was involved in the "squatting movement" in the early seventies and without going into the whole thing it was a good thing that helped many desperate people get some stability in their lives...lots of regular people with kids ..it was ,like any good thing,abused by greedy and idiotic people ....back then i lived in sqats from aged 15 till i got married when i was 21...i knew all the statistics regarding empty properties in Lambeth where i lived and opened up houses and connected electricity and gas illegally for countless families..i also lived in houses that were far too big for my needs and filled them with all kinds of riff raff and had parties with sound system in the house EVERY fucking Friday and Saturday...nearly all the people who lived nearby thought i was a pain in the arse and cheered when i moved on...

these days i am out of touch with the facts on councils and empty properties...being a wealthy cunt and all Pimp
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2012, 07:16:29 »

I can't see the harm to be honest. if the buildings are empty and people need a home.
You do realise how ridiculous this sounds, right?

And you do realise how short and non argumentative you response to all of this is? because out of all this wall of debate theres one person that sticks out.....Anyways the other part going back to mummy and daddy is kinda funny! But hey if people are that narrow minded and non travelled its actually sad......Go to Berlin, Bacelona, Madrid and then go onto mexico you will very quickly see that this is more than just a little masion squat problem show off in Bristol it is something global. The amount of good art, music, movments have actually come out from squat organisations. But unfortunately some of you guys would rather close this blind eye.....go buy your cigarettes......watch top gear.......adn die without even asking them selves. Are my opinions right? Should I try and enter a debate? Oh no im to busy talking shit on hijack and feeling well backed up and comfy here so I will just carry on. SAD
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2012, 07:19:48 »

How many squatters are there in Bristol?

My friend works for the council as a neighbourhood officer and he says there are actually only about 12 registered homeless in Bristol. Those guys in Clifton who want an aga seem to be squatting to make a point, rather than because they have a genuine need.

almost right...it seems to me they are doing it for a laugh rather than making a point

i was involved in the "squatting movement" in the early seventies and without going into the whole thing it was a good thing that helped many desperate people get some stability in their lives...lots of regular people with kids ..it was ,like any good thing,abused by greedy and idiotic people ....back then i lived in sqats from aged 15 till i got married when i was 21...i knew all the statistics regarding empty properties in Lambeth where i lived and opened up houses and connected electricity and gas illegally for countless families..i also lived in houses that were far too big for my needs and filled them with all kinds of riff raff and had parties with sound system in the house EVERY fucking Friday and Saturday...nearly all the people who lived nearby thought i was a pain in the arse and cheered when i moved on...

these days i am out of touch with the facts on councils and empty properties...being a wealthy cunt and all Pimp

I do agree with some of this but like you say you are out of touch and like you say there are still families squatting a ton of empty properties and like you said back in the day you already used to piss off people so how would this change now? The mansion thing is stupid if you ask me, because nowadays unfortunately compared to the old days we have to make much more of a political statement than a living place out of empty properties. Otherwise people such as most of the people on this forum will say....FUCKING SQUATTERS blahblahblahblah when actually there are maybe half the amount and most of them live peacefully and withing there rights.
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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2012, 07:59:38 »

But hey if people are that narrow minded and non travelled its actually sad......Go to Berlin, Bacelona, Madrid and then go onto mexico you will very quickly see that this is more than just a little masion squat problem show off in Bristol it is something global.

Not sure the laws of the UK apply in these places, but then I am not very well travelled so I wouldn't know

The amount of good art, music, movments have actually come out from squat organisations.

Lost of good art and music has come out people fucked on heroin as well but I dont think that should be legal

go buy your cigarettes......watch top gear.......

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But hey if people are that narrow minded and non travelled its actually sad......Go to Berlin, Bacelona, Madrid and then go onto mexico you will very quickly see that this is more than just a little masion squat problem show off in Bristol it is something global.

Not sure the laws of the UK apply in these places, but then I am not very well travelled so I wouldn't know

The amount of good art, music, movments have actually come out from squat organisations.

Lost of good art and music has come out people fucked on heroin as well but I dont think that should be legal

go buy your cigarettes......watch top gear.......

 Laughing loving the Tesco value Bill Hicks bollocks here, and to think you got all irate about people stereotyping sqautters.

You are a white man with dreadlocks and claim my £5.



HAHAHAHAHAHA spot on mate!!! putting squatting on the same level as a heroin habit and telling me I'm a white man with dreadlocks is hilarious and actually so wrong. But anyhow you said go travel we'll talk later my man  Two Thumbs  And no the laws are actually not the same, in other countries it is harder to squat therefore people do it with more respect. Are you white? Maybe working no? Maybe you need a holliday?  Roll Eyes
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I wouldn't bother mate, you're arguing with the drabbest man that 21st century Britain has ever pushed out of its Mondeo driving, Times reading, "get-on-the-property-ladder-in-a-nice-aspirational-working-class-neighbourhood"-ing, lawn mowing, low-level stock-trading, engourged (but strengthened-by Alpen), colon.

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I wouldn't bother mate, you're arguing with the drabbest man that 21st century Britain has ever pushed out of its Mondeo driving, Times reading, "get-on-the-property-ladder-in-a-nice-aspirational-working-class-neighbourhood"-ing, lawn mowing, low-level stock-trading, engourged (but strengthened-by Alpen), colon.

Apart from the bit about the car, newspaper, lawn, and breakfast choice (too much sugar in Alpen, not a fan) you nailed it. Two Thumbs

I would be enclined to agree with Mr Harry's sentiment though, I am somewhat entrenched in my position, so there is not a lot of point in arguing with me.

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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2012, 08:45:58 »

I wouldn't bother mate, you're arguing with the drabbest man that 21st century Britain has ever pushed out of its Mondeo driving, Times reading, "get-on-the-property-ladder-in-a-nice-aspirational-working-class-neighbourhood"-ing, lawn mowing, low-level stock-trading, engourged (but strengthened-by Alpen), colon.

Apart from the bit about the car, newspaper, lawn, and breakfast choice (too much sugar in Alpen, not a fan) you nailed it. Two Thumbs

I would be enclined to agree with Mr Harry's sentiment though, I am somewhat entrenched in my position, so there is not a lot of point in arguing with me.



There for as an amical advice maybe start arguing with your self and start traveling and then maybe you can have a correct opinion    Huh
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all those supporting the squatters can go hug a tree. At the end of the day its stealing, and nobody can deny that
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Can I ask how the amount of travelling a person does equates to the validity of their argument?
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I wouldn't bother mate, you're arguing with the drabbest man that 21st century Britain has ever pushed out of its "get-on-the-property-ladder-in-a-nice-aspirational-working-class-neighbourhood"-ing, low-level stock-trading, engourged colon.
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I wouldn't bother mate, you're arguing with the drabbest man that 21st century Britain has ever pushed out of its Mondeo driving, Times reading, "get-on-the-property-ladder-in-a-nice-aspirational-working-class-neighbourhood"-ing, lawn mowing, low-level stock-trading, engourged (but strengthened-by Alpen), colon.

Apart from the bit about the car, newspaper, lawn, and breakfast choice (too much sugar in Alpen, not a fan) you nailed it. Two Thumbs

I would be enclined to agree with Mr Harry's sentiment though, I am somewhat entrenched in my position, so there is not a lot of point in arguing with me.



There for as an amical advice maybe start arguing with your self and start traveling and then maybe you can have a correct opinion    Huh

WTF has travelling got to do with it? I have travelled a lot over the last 15 years in Europe, US, Asia, I just choose not stay in squats whilst I am doing it, like 99.9% of other sane people.

I think we may have to agree to disagree here - you obviously think it is ok to steal housing whilst saving up your money so you can be 'well travelled', I don't.

Not sure there is that much more to discuss.

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« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2012, 08:57:01 »

Can I ask how the amount of travelling a person does equates to the validity of their argument?

It only shows you more what is going around the wrold rather than in front of your computer screen. And not by seing or listening but by living and being able to project your self in someone else's shoes! After all i do not live in Bristol anymore I'm living in Spain and off to portugal but hey if you thin suqatting is bad, stealing, gypsy robbing bastards, druggies or anything like this you are totally free to have an opinion. Unfortunately it wont be shared by every single person on the planet.  Smiley  Fair play for those who live normally, fair play for those who live in squats. I just want to maintain a certain freedom and alternative lifestyle, and I totally respect people who dont.  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2012, 09:01:00 »

I wouldn't bother mate, you're arguing with the drabbest man that 21st century Britain has ever pushed out of its Mondeo driving, Times reading, "get-on-the-property-ladder-in-a-nice-aspirational-working-class-neighbourhood"-ing, lawn mowing, low-level stock-trading, engourged (but strengthened-by Alpen), colon.

Apart from the bit about the car, newspaper, lawn, and breakfast choice (too much sugar in Alpen, not a fan) you nailed it. Two Thumbs

I would be enclined to agree with Mr Harry's sentiment though, I am somewhat entrenched in my position, so there is not a lot of point in arguing with me.



There for as an amical advice maybe start arguing with your self and start traveling and then maybe you can have a correct opinion    Huh

WTF has travelling got to do with it? I have travelled a lot over the last 15 years in Europe, US, Asia, I just choose not stay in squats whilst I am doing it, like 99.9% of other sane people.

I think we may have to agree to disagree here - you obviously think it is ok to steal housing whilst saving up your money so you can be 'well travelled', I don't.

Not sure there is that much more to discuss.



You are totally right man you are the truth. Fair play to you and your travelling.......(shame you didnt learn anything from it) but yes you are right and to be honest I dont wanna arguee with someone I do not know and to not respect for as such. So fair play and you stay where you are and I'll do the same. And make sure you stay pissed and close yourself I'll stay in sunny spain and stay relaxed and opened  Laugh
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« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2012, 09:05:37 »

Can I ask how the amount of travelling a person does equates to the validity of their argument?

It only shows you more what is going around the wrold rather than in front of your computer screen. And not by seing or listening but by living and being able to project your self in someone else's shoes! After all i do not live in Bristol anymore I'm living in Spain and off to portugal but hey if you thin suqatting is bad, stealing, gypsy robbing bastards, druggies or anything like this you are totally free to have an opinion. Unfortunately it wont be shared by every single person on the planet.  Smiley  Fair play for those who live normally, fair play for those who live in squats. I just want to maintain a certain freedom and alternative lifestyle, and I totally respect people who dont.  Two Thumbs

Where have I ever said that "suqatting is bad, stealing, gypsy robbing bastards, druggies or anything like this" in fact I have never even said that I disagree with it. I don't.

Secondly, in Spain, do you live with other English people? You're off to Portugal, are you? To Freekuency? With the rest of Bristol?

You can add "Fair play for those who live normally, fair play for those who live in squats" on the end of your post like it's all cool, man, but you making assumptions about people's lives, and then using those assumptions to imply that their opinion is not justified is judgemental, hypocritical and bollocks, quite frankly.
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« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2012, 09:17:21 »

Can I ask how the amount of travelling a person does equates to the validity of their argument?

It only shows you more what is going around the wrold rather than in front of your computer screen. And not by seing or listening but by living and being able to project your self in someone else's shoes! After all i do not live in Bristol anymore I'm living in Spain and off to portugal but hey if you thin suqatting is bad, stealing, gypsy robbing bastards, druggies or anything like this you are totally free to have an opinion. Unfortunately it wont be shared by every single person on the planet.  Smiley  Fair play for those who live normally, fair play for those who live in squats. I just want to maintain a certain freedom and alternative lifestyle, and I totally respect people who dont.  Two Thumbs

Where have I ever said that "suqatting is bad, stealing, gypsy robbing bastards, druggies or anything like this" in fact I have never even said that I disagree with it. I don't.

Secondly, in Spain, do you live with other English people? You're off to Portugal, are you? To Freekuency? With the rest of Bristol?

You can add "Fair play for those who live normally, fair play for those who live in squats" on the end of your post like it's all cool, man, but you making assumptions about people's lives, and then using those assumptions to imply that their opinion is not justified is judgemental, hypocritical and bollocks, quite frankly.

Never said you said anything love and if you knoew me personnaly you wouldnt have a go but anyways, yes in Spain I live with spanish people and working in a company that desings websites with strictly english people jejejejejejeje hijack is so funny! Im not judging you or anything and to be honest the fact you are getting so upset unfortunately foryou just shows you probably feel like you have fucked up. And again no problems at all im very happy for people to live normally and there is no backstabing with this. I'am myself living normally now, paying taxes and all this so im not judging, bullshitting or anything like this just trying to tell people that squatting is not all bad and actually a very interesting grey area ofthe law which we all have a bit of freedom to credit from thats all. Good day to ya'll   Bad Teeth
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« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2012, 09:19:40 »

There's two sides to the coin... sometime squatting is a good thing.. turning empty old buildings into homes which would otherwise get trashed and destroyed or remain empty. Cattle market tavern in Temple Meads is a perfect example.

On the flip side, some people take the piss and squat large expensive buildings of good repair (including warehouses for raves) causing thousands of pounds of damage and costing the owners thousands also.

It's terrible that bills like this which massively effect thousands of people can pass without any referendum and slip quietly through the back door
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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2012, 09:21:43 »

There's two sides to the coin... sometime squatting is a good thing.. turning empty old buildings into homes which would otherwise get trashed and destroyed or remain empty. Cattle market tavern in Temple Meads is a perfect example.

On the flip side, some people take the piss and squat large expensive buildings of good repair (including warehouses for raves) causing thousands of pounds of damage and costing the owners thousands also.

It's terrible that bills like this which massively effect thousands of people can pass without any referendum and slip quietly through the back door

Thank you point dun and dusted!! exacly what I'm trying to say  Wink  badman.
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Never said you said anything love and if you knoew me personnaly you wouldnt have a go but anyways, yes in Spain I live with spanish people and working in a company that desings websites with strictly english people jejejejejejeje hijack is so funny! Im not judging you or anything and to be honest the fact you are getting so upset unfortunately foryou just shows you probably feel like you have fucked up. And again no problems at all im very happy for people to live normally and there is no backstabing with this. I'am myself living normally now, paying taxes and all this so im not judging, bullshitting or anything like this just trying to tell people that squatting is not all bad and actually a very interesting grey area ofthe law which we all have a bit of freedom to credit from thats all. Good day to ya'll   Bad Teeth

You're not reading what I am saying, I don't think squatting is a bad thing.

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Never said you said anything love and if you knoew me personnaly you wouldnt have a go but anyways, yes in Spain I live with spanish people and working in a company that desings websites with strictly english people jejejejejejeje hijack is so funny! Im not judging you or anything and to be honest the fact you are getting so upset unfortunately foryou just shows you probably feel like you have fucked up. And again no problems at all im very happy for people to live normally and there is no backstabing with this. I'am myself living normally now, paying taxes and all this so im not judging, bullshitting or anything like this just trying to tell people that squatting is not all bad and actually a very interesting grey area ofthe law which we all have a bit of freedom to credit from thats all. Good day to ya'll   Bad Teeth

You're not reading what I am saying, I don't think squatting is a bad thing.

:edit: Fuck it, this is just going to be another bollocks Hijack argument that goes round and round in circles and I can't be arsed.

 Grin well said big ups to you for not hating suqatting and taking part in debating but I think the post previous to this has said it all  Slayer
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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2012, 10:43:31 »

But hey if people are that narrow minded and non travelled its actually sad......Go to Berlin, Bacelona, Madrid and then go onto mexico you will very quickly see that this is more than just a little masion squat problem show off in Bristol it is something global.

Not sure the laws of the UK apply in these places, but then I am not very well travelled so I wouldn't know

The amount of good art, music, movments have actually come out from squat organisations.

Lost of good art and music has come out people fucked on heroin as well but I dont think that should be legal

go buy your cigarettes......watch top gear.......

 Laughing loving the Tesco value Bill Hicks bollocks here, and to think you got all irate about people stereotyping sqautters.

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« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2012, 10:44:24 »

But hey if people are that narrow minded and non travelled its actually sad......Go to Berlin, Bacelona, Madrid and then go onto mexico you will very quickly see that this is more than just a little masion squat problem show off in Bristol it is something global.

Not sure the laws of the UK apply in these places, but then I am not very well travelled so I wouldn't know

The amount of good art, music, movments have actually come out from squat organisations.

Lost of good art and music has come out people fucked on heroin as well but I dont think that should be legal

go buy your cigarettes......watch top gear.......

 Laughing loving the Tesco value Bill Hicks bollocks here, and to think you got all irate about people stereotyping sqautters.

You are a white man with dreadlocks and claim my £5.


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« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2012, 13:34:21 »

Who'd have thought a thread on squatting could be so chock full of argumentative goodness?
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« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2012, 05:52:22 »

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cabinet-approves-reduction-beds-homeless/story-15666250-detail/story.html

I think a fairly big homeless hostel is closing in the next few days too.
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« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2012, 06:39:25 »

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cabinet-approves-reduction-beds-homeless/story-15666250-detail/story.html

I think a fairly big homeless hostel is closing in the next few days too.

Its OK Bill Price will host them all in his luxurious lougne where ever he lives. Or maybe he will just help to kill them and burry them in a non UK territory as it will cost him taxes and all that jazz    Bad Teeth
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« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2012, 09:43:05 »

During the Bristol open doors day last year I went on a tour of the Julian Trust in St Pauls. The centre manager seemed to think there was no issue with homeless people not being able to get a bed, hostel or into housing. He said there is ample provision and support for everyone. But the key point was the people had to want to abide by rules and want to accept help.

This he said was the biggest issue facing the homeless people in Bristol. That they did not or could not accept the rules which hostels and charities demand. And it was for this reason that the emergency shelters such as the Julian Trust were so popular.

So having heard first hand from an unpaid volunteer with 30 odd years of working with homeless people in Bristol i'd disagree with what your saying Silly T'ang (SP?). Most people are homeless because they choose to be so. Most people squat not because they are homeless but because they do not want to pay rent and taxes and wish to transfer their cost of living onto someone else.

Also you can go the the shelter any evening and ask to speak to someone for yourself should you have any doubts.
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« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2012, 09:49:32 »

During the Bristol open doors day last year I went on a tour of the Julian Trust in St Pauls. The centre manager seemed to think there was no issue with homeless people not being able to get a bed, hostel or into housing. He said there is ample provision and support for everyone. But the key point was the people had to want to abide by rules and want to accept help.

This he said was the biggest issue facing the homeless people in Bristol. That they did not or could not accept the rules which hostels and charities demand. And it was for this reason that the emergency shelters such as the Julian Trust were so popular.

So having heard first hand from an unpaid volunteer with 30 odd years of working with homeless people in Bristol i'd disagree with what your saying Silly T'ang (SP?). Most people are homeless because they choose to be so. Most people squat not because they are homeless but because they do not want to pay rent and taxes and wish to transfer their cost of living onto someone else.

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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2012, 10:08:39 »

During the Bristol open doors day last year I went on a tour of the Julian Trust in St Pauls. The centre manager seemed to think there was no issue with homeless people not being able to get a bed, hostel or into housing. He said there is ample provision and support for everyone. But the key point was the people had to want to abide by rules and want to accept help.

This he said was the biggest issue facing the homeless people in Bristol. That they did not or could not accept the rules which hostels and charities demand. And it was for this reason that the emergency shelters such as the Julian Trust were so popular.

So having heard first hand from an unpaid volunteer with 30 odd years of working with homeless people in Bristol i'd disagree with what your saying Silly T'ang (SP?). Most people are homeless because they choose to be so. Most people squat not because they are homeless but because they do not want to pay rent and taxes and wish to transfer their cost of living onto someone else.

Also you can go the the shelter any evening and ask to speak to someone for yourself should you have any doubts.

I don't doubt this is true but how practical this is depends on what the rules are, doesn't it? If there's a no drugs and alcohol policy then the hostel isn't much use for the large number of homeless people who have drug and alcohol addictions.
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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2012, 10:34:25 »

During the Bristol open doors day last year I went on a tour of the Julian Trust in St Pauls. The centre manager seemed to think there was no issue with homeless people not being able to get a bed, hostel or into housing. He said there is ample provision and support for everyone. But the key point was the people had to want to abide by rules and want to accept help.

This he said was the biggest issue facing the homeless people in Bristol. That they did not or could not accept the rules which hostels and charities demand. And it was for this reason that the emergency shelters such as the Julian Trust were so popular.

So having heard first hand from an unpaid volunteer with 30 odd years of working with homeless people in Bristol i'd disagree with what your saying Silly T'ang (SP?). Most people are homeless because they choose to be so. Most people squat not because they are homeless but because they do not want to pay rent and taxes and wish to transfer their cost of living onto someone else.

Also you can go the the shelter any evening and ask to speak to someone for yourself should you have any doubts.

This is very true indeed! I used to do a lot of skipping myself a few years back in Bristol but some of the homeless people didnt accept fodo from the bins as they already had the wild goose to go and eat at. And by experience having met volunteers myself and having helped you are right. Unfortunately the problem is a bit deeper than that. As said on the previous post the practicality sometimes for those people to be hosted is impossible and retarded. But as a whole you are totaly correct. main thing is the debate opens up to illegal immigrants, mental or disabled people who dont want to be treated with stupidly heavy medecinal treatments and it goes on and on ....
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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2012, 11:13:37 »

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« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2012, 14:05:37 »

During the Bristol open doors day last year I went on a tour of the Julian Trust in St Pauls. The centre manager seemed to think there was no issue with homeless people not being able to get a bed, hostel or into housing. He said there is ample provision and support for everyone. But the key point was the people had to want to abide by rules and want to accept help.

This he said was the biggest issue facing the homeless people in Bristol. That they did not or could not accept the rules which hostels and charities demand. And it was for this reason that the emergency shelters such as the Julian Trust were so popular.

So having heard first hand from an unpaid volunteer with 30 odd years of working with homeless people in Bristol i'd disagree with what your saying Silly T'ang (SP?). Most people are homeless because they choose to be so. Most people squat not because they are homeless but because they do not want to pay rent and taxes and wish to transfer their cost of living onto someone else.

Also you can go the the shelter any evening and ask to speak to someone for yourself should you have any doubts.

Quite probably that is true, however not ALL people who squat are doing so, and this law will affect those people as well.
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« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2012, 17:31:44 »

There is a housing shortage in Britain, the proportion of people renting has increased largely due to the Tories shutting down housebuilding programmes when most of us were young or unborn. Now we pay artificially inflated rental prices because we aren't allowed to build our own houses wherever we want to and there aren't any more council houses being built (inb4 no squatters or renters would live in council houses - lrn2 basic economics).

This distorts the market for housing massively, banning squatting without also adding a tax on unused buildings and land just means that landowners are even more inclined to hold on to property indefinitely and not put it to use until the marginal cost of holding onto it exceeds the expected profit from using it (most likely never as long as housebuilding or planning laws remain the way they are). All those thousands of people who squat now need to rent meaning we pay even more still to a group of people who will only ever become richer, which was obviously the thinking behind this, revenue generation and wealth transfer.

If the effects of this legislation, particularly without similar legislation being introduced to benefit the non-landowning class, weren't so completely at odds with what the tories publicly stand for, you'd think it was a pretty clever political win from them, making everyone argue about the right to squat rather than the right to hold land without putting it to use.
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« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2012, 17:33:44 »

this was why squatting was legal in holland, to stop people from leaving buildings empty and driving prices up
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« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2012, 07:43:32 »

First person jailed. 12 weeks seems a bit harsh for squatting an empty housing association property where the neighbours have no beef with you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19753414

It doesn't say if it resulted from a complaint from the housing association.
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« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2012, 08:47:24 »

It doesn't say if it resulted from a complaint from the housing association.
There's no legal requirement for that. If the police want to use the new law, they can. They don't have to though, there's been a couple of people in Bristol who have been warned to leave the house they were squatting, they did and no charges were brought.


It makes no sense whatsoever to jail people for squatting.
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« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2012, 09:20:26 »

It makes no sense whatsoever to jail people for squatting.

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It doesn't say if it resulted from a complaint from the housing association.
There's no legal requirement for that.

Sure, I was wondering though if in this case, no-one complained (as the neighbours seem happy enough), but someone was still jailed. If that's the case, it's a bit of a joke.
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« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2012, 10:10:49 »

Get a job, pay the rent. Simples  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2012, 10:19:34 »

Get a job, pay the rent. Simples  Two Thumbs

If only everyone had thought of that sooner! Any more pearls of wisdom?

Reduce the deficit, create more jobs, fix the economy, simples!

Forget about years of conflict, just make friends, stop the middle east crisis, simples!

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« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2012, 10:56:39 »

Get a job, pay the rent. Simples  Two Thumbs

If only everyone had thought of that sooner! Any more pearls of wisdom?

Reduce the deficit, create more jobs, fix the economy, simples!

Forget about years of conflict, just make friends, stop the middle east crisis, simples!

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Didnt offer solutions to all the problems in the world, just a way to stop the crusties from moaning. Join the system like the rest of us!

I bet if the council stopped collecting their rubbish, stopped maintaining the raods/pavements outside their dwelling and left it to become a jungle. If they got robbed and called the police and nobody answered, if they got run over and no ambulance came, would they then be happy to live in a 'free' society? /Stirring Pot Smiley
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« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2012, 11:02:14 »

It would be interesting to know what percentage of people who squat due to hardship and circumstances beyond their control who genuinely cannot find work, as opposed to those who squat because they see it as an alterative lifestyle and are not fussed about working.
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« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2012, 11:20:48 »

It would be interesting to know what percentage of people who squat due to hardship and circumstances beyond their control who genuinely cannot find work, as opposed to those who squat because they see it as an alterative lifestyle and are not fussed about working.

Just to throw it out there, all the people I have known who squatted, all worked. I know that's not always the case though. I'd also say the majority of squatters are people that would otherwise be living on the streets and have other issues to deal with before getting work.
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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2012, 13:55:16 »

I bet if the council stopped collecting their rubbish, stopped maintaining the raods/pavements outside their dwelling and left it to become a jungle. If they got robbed and called the police and nobody answered, if they got run over and no ambulance came, would they then be happy to live in a 'free' society? /Stirring Pot Smiley

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