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« on: November 18, 2002, 15:05:09 »

ez all, long time no post. well here goes...

Hijack will soon be experiencing some changes, IMO for the better. Quite soon when you type in the hijackbristol.co.uk URL you will be brought to this board rather than the front page of the main site. The board will be slightly expanded. there will be other pages within the main one in a similar vein to the way the dubplate page and record exchange is set out now. these new pages will go along the lines of: night reviews, listings, and news. anything posted here will be by a moderator (except the listings page) and will be sticky meaning everything is chronologically logged, except for the listings page (so the main page is saved from pure spamm and bump-an-hour syndrome). The main hijack page as you have known it will in time become a generic D&B page and will continue to support progressive and groundbreaking elements of the world scene in my editorial opinion , but without a responsibility to cover Bristol goings on. the URL of this for those that are interested will be made public as soon as the project is underway.

right, so that's what's gonna happen, now here's why.

HIJACK was started out of a continued and devoted passion for D&B and generally for exciting conetemporary dance music. I've only lived in Bristol just over a year and felt this was a rewarding and positive way of getting involved with the scene. No one asked me to do it, no one expected me to do it and the financial rewards are next to nothing, at best cost covering. Since it's inception I have tried (whether I've been successful I shall leave up to your judgement), in not only supporting people as and when I see fit but also trying to impose some kind editorial opinion on this forum, bringing those elements in the scene which in my humble opinion i deem worthy into the lime light; trying to add some weight and background to an all too often faceless genre. If much of this was non Bristol based then this is because of several reasons. Firstly, at present I dont beleive there is very much good D&B coming out of the city (with notable exceptions); secondly, whether Bristol based or not, sometimes I beleive the goings on of a groundbreaking label or progress of a new and exciting producer from abroad is more newsworthy than say, another false promise of a rejuvenated soundsystem by Lakota or the latest rave crew managing to put together another tired line up of overated DJ's (from shock horror, outside of Bristol) at a tired venue with little in mind but personal kudos and the prospect of making some cash. On the same note i believe the news and features i have delivered in the past more news worthy than overdrawn, self congratulory reviews of bedroom producers or dj's or indeed said raves mentioned above. this was never intended to be a Bristol based extension of getoutthere.com or D&B Arena or any other such site. If this is what you want then I am the wrong person to harangue.

Moreover, I never promised anyone anything, I do not owe anyone anything and am not obliged to deliver journalistic and promotional servies to a criteria set out by anyone else other than myself. If you payed some kind of subscription fee then maybe there would be call for complaint... Furthermore my lack of recent motivation to appease those members of this forum and indeed the Bristol D&B scene has been heightened by the kinds of attitudes I find insular, once again self approving and derogatory. I believe people should never blame others for, or expect undeserving remedy for their own shortcomings or lack of success and profile. D&B has survived for many years on the verge of implosion and all too often it is its most vocal of 'supporters' who threaten its very exsistence. I believe the local scene to be going through a creative slum at present. The infighting and personal agenda's are taking over. What I was and will continue to be motivated by is good music. It is this and the support given to this that ensures D&B has a future.

As a final word, I don't owe anyone anything, I do not expect anything of anyone and you should not expect anything of me. Complaint is the most fail safe device of protest and those who try to be leftfield and take a risk are the easiest of scapegoats. If you don't like my website dont bother me with tardy and tired wimpers of objection; go and build your own.  

PS maximum respect and unrelenting thanks to all continued supporters, you know who you are.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2002, 15:57:44 »

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If you don't like my website dont bother me with tardy and tired wimpers of objection; go and build your own.


Boh! You really can't say fairer than that...

These changes sound all good, Aaron. Think they should silence Hijack's critics and should provide an improved forum for the local scene. Nice one!
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2002, 17:11:20 »

In the immortal words of Partridge, it's a bit of a nest of vipers this one but...

U may have to excuse my rambling - just trying to give possible explanations for some peoples feelings whether they be right or wrong - Im not trying to make any point in particular...

I think some people are just let down by the fact that the site (so far) hasn't, in some peoples eyes turned out to be what you originally said it would. As far as I can remember the principle was to bring the exisiting scene together and push local talent thru and give them a platform - which from some of the comments about bedroom DJ's and producers in yr above post it seems you aren't too fussed about!! - Dont get me wrong - I do c that the scene has been improved fuck - we wouldn't be having this disccusion if iut weren't for Hijack!! But we seem to be at a stage a year down the line where there is less communication between nights than there ever has been - not that that is Hijacks fault or responsibility!! I am also fully aware that the site has to be "alive and breathing"as it were, looking to grow in different ways etc to suit the ever changing outside environment and thats good I totally agree that a good piece on a FOREIGN LABEL OR PRODUCER WOULD BE INFINITELY BETTER THAN THE OLD lAKOTA SOUND SYSTEM STORY DOING THE ROUNDS AGAIN!! (Damn that Caps lock!!)

"I never promised anyone anything, I do not owe anyone anything and am not obliged to deliver journalistic and promotional servies to a criteria set out by anyone else other than myself."

I agree mate but I think some peoples beef stems from the fact that the site slightly wandered from its original criteria?? The site has taken a shine to the liquid side - and before any1 has a go at me, as far as I am concerned that is fine - I love my liquid as much as the next man - but I see this as a possible reason for peoples disent as it isn't totally representative of the Bristol/DnB scene - (Pls don't get me wrong here - I am fully aware that the site isn't solely Liquid based!!)


"I don't owe anyone anything, I do not expect anything of anyone and you should not expect anything of me."

I disagree mate - by putting yrself in the position you are in people will, to a certain extent, expect things of you, I believe that comes with the territory and it should be embraced rather than shunned (even if at times it seems labourious and too much) and I think recently people probably feel at a bit of a loss as to the future direction of the site although that may now change as you've told us the immediate changes etc.

Catalyst you know my feelings about the site - you always have done I've been all for it since I first met u in Latino with that 1 other person from DOA way before the site was even up and running - I think it is an integral part of the scene and I have been 100% behind the idea from the word go. I feel I have offered support where possible to the site whether or not its been accepted or even considered - I must be the only regular member who aint living in an around Bristol!! I appreciated that flaging the ship is difficult - especially where music is concerned as people are so passionate about it - and not everyone is going to be happy with what's done all the time. Different strokes etc

I dunno mate - I think that each person has/had their own personal view on what the site could/should/would be (Dammit now got Bev Knights track in my head - ah well could be worse!!)  whether its their place to or not which is inevitable really - I understand its yr site etc and fair plat to ya for doing somethin good off ur own back - I am just trying to make head or tail out of the beef thats been plaguing this board for some time now!! Whether the potential explanations for some peoples feelings I've given above are fair and just I dunno -its just the impression I get from some threads I've read recently and previously etc!! 

Bring on the future of Hijack with open arms
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2002, 17:18:54 »

aaron,
ur a fucking dude mate.  best of luck with the changes and the future.

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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2002, 18:39:57 »

After all this talk of the success of Hijack, there seems to have been a record ten people logged on at the same time - ooh my!
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2002, 18:57:32 »

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After all this talk of the success of Hijack, there seems to have been a record ten people logged on at the same time - ooh my!


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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2002, 21:08:37 »

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I must be the only regular member who aint living in an around Bristol!!

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2002, 21:29:30 »

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He he - sorry mate!!
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2002, 21:29:33 »

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I must be the only regular member who aint living in an around Bristol


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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2002, 21:46:16 »

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ahem?


Right any1 else - so I can remove my foot from my mouth for good?!!

Big up the non Brizzle hijack headz!!
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2002, 05:17:17 »

This is a complete load of bollocks.

Aaron - youre right - you dont owe anybody shit. and its your site so do what you want with it. respect.

as for Bristol - the scene imo is crap at the mo. whether you like my nights or not (which is irrelevant right now) the politics is a load of fucking crap. You can talk all you want about promoters - but its those who try to work with and help everybody else that end up getting shat on (eg me and rit.) You prob dont all know what i mean but i know u know rit and aaron and i really think there should be public shaming of certain people for their fucking crimes.

well from now on they can suck on it. Fuck them - im gonna fucking do what i want, not tell anybody whatim doing, and there ya go. Im not saying i'll come out on top - i wont but it will be fun Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2002, 12:56:29 »

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..... <snip>......but its those who try to work with and help everybody else that end up getting shat on (eg me and rit.) You prob dont all know what i mean but i know u know rit and aaron and i really think there should be public shaming of certain people for their fucking crimes.


hidy hi &hidy ho.  i know what you mean matey...  i'm just hoping that i'm not a certain person! ...pretty sure i'm not thou in part cos i don't have that level of power, also cos due to the fact that i always tell folks exactly what i think then i expect the same back from others and only one person i know thinks i'm a cunt &that's an ex.  so.

public shaming thou?  mmmmm, well i've got a story or two but there ain't much point on here cos most folks on here already know &the rest can ask us direct.  if i was gonna shame lets say XXXX i'd need to do it in such a way that is was guaranteed to hurt them, i.e. massive publicity.  The trouble is most folks will just think that ur being sour grapes cos "no he can't of done that cos he got andy c playing and he plays the best tunes!" or some other such nonsense.  The thing we can look to thou is: if someone is enguaged in dirty tactics it does show a certain desperation, which in many ways can only mean they're on the way out.
Look at scream, they were absolute fuckers! posters over everyone, fucking off the council &ruining flyposting for the whole of bristol.  Where are they now?  ..they're fucked and they're shite, they've killed the commercial trance/hardhouse thing in bristol and will never ever be any bigger than they are now.

maybe this just the way of big academy style promotions, history will bare us out i guess.

in anycase, aaron as i said b4 ur a dude, i've been thinking all these things ur saying for a long time &part of my pestering was aimed at getting you to "come out" in the way you did.  sorry 4 any offence caused.

Oli: catcha tonight mate.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2002, 12:59:46 »

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but its those who try to work with and help everybody else that end up getting shat on



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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2002, 14:32:55 »

Big up Oli, Aaron and the rest of the headz out there. Fucks sake, enuff is enuff, all this is way over board. Aaron, you are right, if people want something different, BUILD YOUR OWN SITE! simple.

As for the Naming and Shaming ting, I dunno about it really, just because we all know who the shit heads are anyway, and the public care about parties. Not the politics, which is what we should be doing.

OLI :: Go and do what you want, when you want, at the end of the day, you are dealing with a huge promotion, and it is business. Its very hard to survive being nice. Maybe try throwing the cards dealt to you back in their face. whoever they are.....

BIG UP HIJACK, RESPECT FOR THE SUPPORT. SITE IS WICKED.
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2002, 14:49:51 »

In situations like this, I advise pineapple chunks with hot custard.

It's very very yummy.
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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2002, 15:01:58 »

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This is a complete load of bollocks.

You can talk all you want about promoters - but its those who try to work with and help everybody else that end up getting shat on (eg me and rit.) You prob dont all know what i mean but i know u know rit and aaron and i really think there should be public shaming of certain people for their fucking crimes.


What is a complete load of bollocks?

I think this discussion should continue in the 'Bristol is failing to represent' thread...
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2002, 23:14:49 »

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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2002, 14:41:19 »

I think hijack just needs to be not so obviously linked with locus. It was apparently meant to be for the whole scene and un-biast. 90% of reviews and comps are of or for Locus!!!!

Most of the people above who have said stuff are contributig to the bad slum at the mo themselves!! I just dont understand why everybody and his mother wants to promote!! Drive By, Locus an Timecode have been around for ages! Theres only room for a few more! Not 10 more! They all seem to be dropping off again now anyway.

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I think hijack just needs to be not so obviously linked with locus. It was apparently meant to be for the whole scene and un-biast. 90% of reviews and comps are of or for Locus!!!!

Most of the people above who have said stuff are contributig to the bad slum at the mo themselves!! I just dont understand why everybody and his mother wants to promote!! Drive By, Locus an Timecode have been around for ages! Theres only room for a few more! Not 10 more! They all seem to be dropping off again now anyway.



mate are you a total fuckwit or what?  if your gonna be this critical then at least do some research and read the whole of the thread ur posting under, read a bit further and you'll see all this ground has been covered already (by me &others) & cat's post (top of this thread) is a reply to it.


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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2002, 15:01:39 »

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I think hijack just needs to be not so obviously linked with locus. It was apparently meant to be for the whole scene and un-biast.
I thought that it was Hijack and Metric that everyone had issues about being linked  Huh

And people like promoting since it's all about the papes and fame.
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2002, 15:08:07 »

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And people like promoting since it's all about the papes and fame.


Too true mate - its this thats ruining the scene at the mo - trouble is every1 has a right to it so how do you stop it/solve it?? V difficult in my opinion. Other than the stalwart promoters who probably do have more of a right than say some of the newcomers - whose gonna be the one that says aww fuck it I'll stop to better the scene??

Exactly....

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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2002, 15:41:02 »

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Too true mate - its this thats ruining the scene at the mo - trouble is every1 has a right to it so how do you stop it/solve it??


Collectives and collaboration? Free parties are only possible when a bunch of people get together and sort it out, so it strikes me the same is probably true of low profit club nights that are run by people motivated by good music, rather than fame and papes... Definitely the people putting on quality music-oriented nights want to co-operate. I dunno if they are already or not, but if they're competing with each other as well as with the profit-oriented nights, then they're just gonna make it more difficult for themselves...

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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2002, 16:11:41 »

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Collectives and collaboration? Free parties are only possible when a bunch of people get together and sort it out, so it strikes me the same is probably true of low profit club nights that are run by people motivated by good music, rather than fame and papes...


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Collectives and collaboration? Free parties are only possible when a bunch of people get together and sort it out, so it strikes me the same is probably true of low profit club nights that are run by people motivated by good music, rather than fame and papes... Definitely the people putting on quality music-oriented nights want to co-operate. I dunno if they are already or not, but if they're competing with each other as well as with the profit-oriented nights, then they're just gonna make it more difficult for themselves...





Good point - when I think of promoters say up North a bit - I don't think of collaboration etc - mainly cos there arent enough nites for it to be a problem like the current bristol situ and I think they seem to be slightly more moody etc and money orientated ( Im talking bout places near me and further up like Leeds) I know that krews in Leeds were not particularly happy with other DnB nights starting up and they made their feelings known and hey presto - the night in question never got past the conception stage.

Collaboration sounds good and fair play to those who engage in it if it eases the current situ.

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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2002, 17:35:32 »

Collaboration is all good but it gets very difficult to actually do it unless the sound of all the potential collaborators fits together.

For example, promoters of big raves might find it easier to work together because there is a common core of djs and mcs that they might book.

For promoters that have a very specific idea of what they want to do, collaborating with someone becomes a compromise, because they would have to bring elements into an event that they might not necessarily be happy with.

Can't be arsed to type any more... please extrapolate from what I've written so far  Kiss
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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2002, 17:51:44 »

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Understood mate, Not that I know anything about promoting as such but I guess the trick is finding that promoter who you click with etc, both on a personal level and a "business" level. Easier said than done granted - especially when u dont have a choice about who the other promoters are who u r potentially having to collaborate with...

Hmmmm... *deep in thought*

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Fully understand what you're saying Rit, and not being a promoter myself (although I have dabbled and burnt my fingers) I wouldn't want you or anyone to think that I'm trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs or nuffing  Wink  The best nights (including Locus, natch) have their own style, and compromising that style would definitely be a step backwards.

My point is mostly that promoters who want to contribute to the drum n bass scene in Bristol in a positive way, rather than purely for ego and profit related reasons, should be considering whether their night is going to adversely affect other good nights. If they don't, then either they think there are no other good nights, or they're blatantly in it for ego and profit related reasons...

Gotta go now, but I'll provide an example from my own experience later....
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My point is mostly that promoters who want to contribute to the drum n bass scene in Bristol in a positive way, rather than purely for ego and profit related reasons, should be considering whether their night is going to adversely affect other good nights.
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Jim - that was my point too mate and realisticly I couldn't - can't - see anyone doing that, or if they did, I can't see any1 actually doing anything about it i.e. stopping their night! (and thats not cos I think everyone is in it for profit - and its not aimed at any1 - I think the same would go for anywhere i.e. not just bristol)
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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2002, 12:37:01 »

No, I fully realise no promoter is actually going to pull their night simply because it's fucking things up for the rest. But you can't then go around whinging about the other promoters fucking the scene up! Remember, clubbing in Bristol is currently a buyers market - there are more nights on than the average punter can go to...
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Collectives and collaboration? Free parties are only possible when a bunch of people get together and sort it out, so it strikes me the same is probably true of low profit club nights that are run by people motivated by good music, rather than fame and papes... Definitely the people putting on quality music-oriented nights want to co-operate. I dunno if they are already or not, but if they're competing with each other as well as with the profit-oriented nights, then they're just gonna make it more difficult for themselves...


#~cough!

yep it is true.  imo anyhow.
this is why we are competing only with Freefall which is lakota financed and Species which was unfortunate but unavoidable.

n.b. guess whose getting paid more for decorating freefall than he's ever made out of a club night?
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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2002, 12:37:02 »

"It's cool to be a promoter"
People can't do drumnbass nights in Bristol for money because there isn't any money in it unless you are Driveby. I think a big problem is Ego, everyone wants to be associated with something and running a night gives you credibility.
I don't want to use this thread as an advert but the reasons we started The Rubiks Cube was because of the current climate, we want to support nights and encourage people working together. We made a mistake earlier in the year when we ran a night at the thekla that clashed with Locus, we had to stop doing that because we wanted to support Rit not compete.
I think what is needed is a lot of grace and compromise, promoters need to work together even if that compromises their personal image otherwise the scene will die. There will be less and less people going to nights because there are so many, the nights will lose money, they won't be able to afford good DJ's and ultimately the nights get crap!!
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2002, 20:58:24 »

I just wanna put on good parties. And its fucking [ainful when you walk away with a loss. But its not the money at the end of the day that matters. its whether people walked away thinking it was heavy.

@The Rubiks maasif: You know collaboration is the key right now! Hope our planned party kicks off, all very exciting!!!

I dunno really, I think people just wanna get involved in something they love. And drum n bass is loved. We'll see who is still putting nights on this time next year! Ans what new ones come along!

Chatting shit now. In a bit.
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I can feel the love!!!!!
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Oh Yes, we've got the thinking hats on and something we'll make it happen!!!

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