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« on: February 16, 2012, 07:30:37 »

just been sent this email.  is it true?  anyone know?

 Huh Huh Huh

On the St Pauls Carnival website they are advertising the meeting on tuesday clearly and mention about soundsystems and stalls  http://www.stpaulscarnival.co.uk/

 Huh Huh Huh

There's a community meeting on February 28th at the Malcolm X Community Centre at 6.45pm will find out more there hopefully!

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Hi,

As you know, yesterday was Valentines day. A day when we express our love for the people we adore.

Today, and very much in the spirit of expressing love, S.O.C.A the (Save Our Carnival Association) are contacting people who love or care about saving St Paul's Carnival, one of the country’s loveliest community celebrations of culture, creativity and colour.

Yesterday one of our S.O.C.A agents uncovered plans to move the St Paul's Carnival away from the streets of St Paul's to Portland Square.  And as if that slap in the face wasn't enough, there will be NO sound systems, NO street stalls and NO performance stages of any kind. To be fair there will be a daytime procession and some night clubby stuff for the party hard crew. And yes that's it more or less it!!!

We have it on good advice that this is not a HOAX!!!!

We also learned that the apparent brains behind this outrageous move are unbelievably... The Carnivals management committee. Apparently they don't want YOU the community to know until its way to late for YOU to do anything about it. In fact did YOU know that the Carnival plans to hold a community consultation on 28th February at 7pm at the Malcolm X Center to 'consult, YOU, the community'. No you say... No surprise there we say. Apparently, this meeting is being kept pretty quiet as the smaller the turnout, the easier it is for our beloved Carnival to be butchered!!!!


So now that YOU know. The questions are these:

What can YOU do about it?Huh
And do YOU care enough to miss an episode of East Enders to be at the meeting on 28th February at 7pm at the Malcolm X Centre, 141 City Rd, Bristol.

WE do and here's a few things YOU can do right now...

    First, spread the love. Forward this email to all of your mates and get them to send it onto all of their mates mates, etc, etc.
    Second, Spread more love by telling everyone you know to be there on 28th February at 7pm at the Malcolm X Centre.
    Third, stay tuned for more juicy S.O.C.A updates on how you can help and get involved!
    Lastly (for now at least), when it launches please join our facebook group and let us know what you think.

If you want to, email what you think to us.  We are looking for really good ideas on how the Carnival can thrive and if this email really is not for you and you don't give a rats whats not please email SOCA HQ with "Not for me" in the header and we'll remove you.

Cheers.


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"The Save Our Carnival Association is a mish mash of choreographers, artists, dancers, producers, DJ's, MC's, community activists and the volunteers who makes the Carnival what it is. That's uniquely special. Collectively we adore Carnival and believe that the people are the heartbeat.  We believe that the current plans are unacceptable and that better ways forward should be explored and acted upon now.  We want to ensure that Carnival thrives and has a vision and team that continues to grow Carnival to be better and stronger each year. We believe that it should remain in St Paul's and within the hands of the St Paul's community for the good of the soul of Bristol." - Join us on facebook if you feel the same.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 08:12:41 »

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 08:18:17 »

Is it april 1st already? Portland sq is in st Pauls, and the carnival is already based there with a stage and procession starting and finishing there if memory serves. I recon this is bull. If nothing else they know as well as anyone how much money the community makes from the stalls. Don't really believe a word tbh.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 08:20:05 »

And ha! the idea of fitting 80 000 people into an even smaller space. The crowds are bad enough as is. Would be outright dangerous to make it smaller.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 08:22:06 »

LOL.. "no sound systems" at carnival...ok.. yeh right.. thats gunna run.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 08:40:36 »

Seems like rumour turning into scaremongering at the moment.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 08:45:32 »

Seems like rumour turning into scaremongering at the moment.

that's what i was thinking!
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 14:26:19 »

for everyone's info, this email was sent to me by someone i know, they were sent it from saveourcarnival@gmail.com
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 14:33:54 »

Spalding - can you tell me either who sent you the S.O.C.A. email or how i can contact them please? sounds fascinating.     

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 15:24:42 »

Spalding - can you tell me either who sent you the S.O.C.A. email or how i can contact them please? sounds fascinating.      
the same Mary that said Harry couldn't make a st P app? Or perhaps Wold?

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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 15:30:08 »

Spalding - can you tell me either who sent you the S.O.C.A. email or how i can contact them please? sounds fascinating.      
the same Mary that said Harry couldn't make a st P app? Or perhaps Wold?

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 15:32:05 »

Spalding - can you tell me either who sent you the S.O.C.A. email or how i can contact them please? sounds fascinating.      
the same Mary that said Harry couldn't make a st P app? Or perhaps Wold?

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 15:35:09 »

Spalding - can you tell me either who sent you the S.O.C.A. email or how i can contact them please? sounds fascinating.      
the same Mary that said Harry couldn't make a st P app? Or perhaps Wold?



Not Wold, the one and the same...
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 16:42:11 »

I don't think she's done anything wrong here, this site needs less tin foil.
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 17:55:02 »

Via their facebook:

Quote from: St Pauls Carnival
Dear SPC supporters, it’s about that time of year when people start thinking and talking about Carnival and why not, it’s an awesome day for the community to Share, Participate and Celebrate in a safe and fun environment. Sometimes, however, the word on the street can be misinformed and can be counter-productive to the development of the event. The Carnival ‘elves‘ have been working hard planning and preparing for the delivery SPC2012 since last summer. Yes, there is a community gathering arranged and all are most welcome: February 28th at the Malcolm X Community Centre, 141 City Road, St Pauls at 6.45pm. Please come along to find out more about the plans for St Pauls Carnival 2012. www.stpaulscarnival.co.uk/getinvolved

Seems a bit bitter in it's word, since its obviously targeted at the SOCA people... and they havn't been counter productive imo with the fact they are actually actively trying to save the community opinion and efforts of the carnival?
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 18:05:21 »

Via their facebook:

Quote from: St Pauls Carnival
Dear SPC supporters, it’s about that time of year when people start thinking and talking about Carnival and why not, it’s an awesome day for the community to Share, Participate and Celebrate in a safe and fun environment. Sometimes, however, the word on the street can be misinformed and can be counter-productive to the development of the event. The Carnival ‘elves‘ have been working hard planning and preparing for the delivery SPC2012 since last summer. Yes, there is a community gathering arranged and all are most welcome: February 28th at the Malcolm X Community Centre, 141 City Road, St Pauls at 6.45pm. Please come along to find out more about the plans for St Pauls Carnival 2012. www.stpaulscarnival.co.uk/getinvolved

Seems a bit bitter in it's word, since its obviously targeted at the SOCA people... and they havn't been counter productive imo with the fact they are actually actively trying to save the community opinion and efforts of the carnival?

Its prob more likely them having a whinge because the way the S.O.C.A thing is worded suggests that the Carnival team are being underhand about a meeting they have advertised, and also the (currently) unfounded claim that they are trying to apparently get rid of everything that makes it a carnival.

Wouldn't you feel a bit bitter if you'd seen that someone was lying about your event?
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2012, 18:07:05 »

Via their facebook:

Quote from: St Pauls Carnival
Dear SPC supporters, it’s about that time of year when people start thinking and talking about Carnival and why not, it’s an awesome day for the community to Share, Participate and Celebrate in a safe and fun environment. Sometimes, however, the word on the street can be misinformed and can be counter-productive to the development of the event. The Carnival ‘elves‘ have been working hard planning and preparing for the delivery SPC2012 since last summer. Yes, there is a community gathering arranged and all are most welcome: February 28th at the Malcolm X Community Centre, 141 City Road, St Pauls at 6.45pm. Please come along to find out more about the plans for St Pauls Carnival 2012. www.stpaulscarnival.co.uk/getinvolved

Seems a bit bitter in it's word, since its obviously targeted at the SOCA people... and they havn't been counter productive imo with the fact they are actually actively trying to save the community opinion and efforts of the carnival?

Its prob more likely them having a whinge because the way the S.O.C.A thing is worded suggests that the Carnival team are being underhand about a meeting they have advertised, and also the (currently) unfounded claim that they are trying to apparently get rid of everything that makes it a carnival.

Wouldn't you feel a bit bitter if you'd seen that someone was lying about your event?

yeah, provided it is false information. It's good they have put the date and info on their facebook, does make you wonder if they had, had it not been bought up in the manner? i do see your point though.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 18:17:23 »

Via their facebook:

Quote from: St Pauls Carnival
Dear SPC supporters, it’s about that time of year when people start thinking and talking about Carnival and why not, it’s an awesome day for the community to Share, Participate and Celebrate in a safe and fun environment. Sometimes, however, the word on the street can be misinformed and can be counter-productive to the development of the event. The Carnival ‘elves‘ have been working hard planning and preparing for the delivery SPC2012 since last summer. Yes, there is a community gathering arranged and all are most welcome: February 28th at the Malcolm X Community Centre, 141 City Road, St Pauls at 6.45pm. Please come along to find out more about the plans for St Pauls Carnival 2012. www.stpaulscarnival.co.uk/getinvolved

Seems a bit bitter in it's word, since its obviously targeted at the SOCA people... and they havn't been counter productive imo with the fact they are actually actively trying to save the community opinion and efforts of the carnival?

Its prob more likely them having a whinge because the way the S.O.C.A thing is worded suggests that the Carnival team are being underhand about a meeting they have advertised, and also the (currently) unfounded claim that they are trying to apparently get rid of everything that makes it a carnival.

Wouldn't you feel a bit bitter if you'd seen that someone was lying about your event?

yeah, provided it is false information. It's good they have put the date and info on their facebook, does make you wonder if they had, had it not been bought up in the manner? i do see your point though.

Actually i'm still undecided myself personally.

While i can understand a mardy reaction in a press release if they hadn't stuck the meeting on their facebook page before SOCAs emails it does suggest that either they aren't to bothered about asking the locals, or that they just don't communicate very well, and there is evidence of that in the past.

Reading through the other thread reminded me of their rather unfriendly attitude and the fact they are a closed circle.

EDIT: The carnival team have been posted about this meeting since at least Jan the 27th. Methinks this is all based in some personal beef between a member of SOCA and the Carnival.
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2012, 18:33:42 »

Also SOCA teelling people the meeting starts later then it does seems iffy. Almost a deliberate attempt to disrupt the meeting? Seems a lot of people coming in late angry because they have been told the carnivals not a carnival could do that...
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2012, 22:13:08 »

This is Team S.O.C.A.  Like you when we learned of these outrageous plans we struggled with it. In fact we unanimously agreed that we find these plans to be unacceptable. As a group we have no time to spread rumors or gossip monger, but rather than going mad or doing an ostrich, we decided to put our heads together to galvanize community support. 

We simply ask that you focus 100% on what we can do together to S.T.O.P the butchering of our beloved Carnival. We are toying with a few ideas but need more.  Let us know what you think can be done or what part you can play in order to help the Carnival thrive? Please email your good ideas to saveourcarnival@gmail.com

And for the understandably skeptical folk out there what if, just what if S.O.C.A. are some way close to the truth, then think of what you and wider Bristol stands to loose.......  At worst all you'll loose is an episode of East Enders if it is a hoax (which this is not)!!!

Worth the gamble we reckon. So with so much interest on line we hope to see you and all your mates at the Carnivals meeting on 6.45pm at the Malcolm X Center, 141 Ashley Rd. Pass this on. Spread the love and increase the peace. Team S.O.C.A. saveourcarnival@gmail.com
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2012, 22:34:26 »

Is no one from the carnival organisation team here on hijack and able to dispute these claims if it isn't true?
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2012, 22:43:46 »

Everybody up in arms about saving Carnival, there is something you can do to ensure its safety by donating money to the cause .... text your support and the amount to the number below

Text ‘CARN45’ and the amount you wish to donate £1 £2 £5 £10 £20 £25 £30 to 70070 to make a donation

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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2012, 10:00:42 »

This thread has less facts than the 9/11 conspiracy.
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2012, 18:43:55 »

This thread has less facts than the 9/11 conspiracy.

Heres the facts...

The below excerpt is taken from their 2011 Trustee report. Page 10 under reserves if you want to check it out.
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends61/0001136561_ac_20110331_e_c.pdf

"In January 2011 we received confirmation of regular funding by the arts council up to 2015 with a 44% increase in what we currently receive. We have had detailed and comprehensive meetings with the Arts Council and Bristol City Council. Everyone is agreement that as the Carnival has been growing year after year the costs too have been increasing. As there have been some cuts from certain funders we have agreed to reduce the Carnivals activities for 2012. This will allow for the    Carnival to catch up on the finances and therefore be unquestionably a going concern. There is currently no policy regarding reserves in place; however this position is currently under review.”

We have gained some valuable insight on some of the challenges the Carnival faces and they have been invited to join in the conversation, but also we hope your feedback will focus on how the Carnival can thrive and survive. Hope to see you and your friends at the Carnival meeting at 6.45pm at the Malcolm X Center 28th Feb. 

You can make a £5 donation to St Paul's Carnival by texting 'CARN45 £5' to 70070. You can choose the exact amount you want to donate just by texting 'CARN45' and the amount you wish to donate to 70070.

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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 19:19:36 »

Lets be real here..

What was wrong with the way it always used to be? systems/stalls on front line, argyle and campbell, main stage on the green. Just fuck all that portland square circus fairground bollox off and while your at it to save even more money the st pauls/st agnes park stuff aswell. Oh and if you wanna put off about 4 million chavs and crusties from turning up get rid of the malcolm x system and have an all out ban on techno/jungle/D&B for the whole carni. Thank me later

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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 20:05:13 »

my opinion on it is this.

at the end of the day all the sound systems are run at the own expense of those involved with that sound system. the only exclusions of this, is the main stage which im guessing is community/council funded. all stalls are run again at those independent/local traders own expense etc (obviously very profitable for them). obviously last year saw the introduction of the red bull stage, which although some argue about this, i liked it due to the fact it was sperate in it's own area so didnt take away or over shadow anything else.

if they were to stop it i beleave this would happen. the soundsystems would still turn up be it illegally (roads not being shut off... would the people take that in to their own hands to close them). if they did obviously the council would fine them which would totally against support the community.

Surely the costs involved are: Policing, Clearing up, salaries of some people involved in the organisation & as above the main stage area?

The question I would ask is, do you jeopardize the fact it is so independant by bringing in sponsor ship etc to generate revenue so it can continue to grow? I personally recon it could be tastefully done and also ideally push local businesses.

I'm going to attend the meeting so will be interested to really see peoples views on it all.  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2012, 01:46:55 »

my opinion on it is this.

at the end of the day all the sound systems are run at the own expense of those involved with that sound system. the only exclusions of this, is the main stage which im guessing is community/council funded. all stalls are run again at those independent/local traders own expense etc (obviously very profitable for them). obviously last year saw the introduction of the red bull stage, which although some argue about this, i liked it due to the fact it was sperate in it's own area so didnt take away or over shadow anything else.

if they were to stop it i beleave this would happen. the soundsystems would still turn up be it illegally (roads not being shut off... would the people take that in to their own hands to close them). if they did obviously the council would fine them which would totally against support the community.


Pretty much this.
If they don't have legit sound systems they will have unlicensed ones still turn up and the carnival will be blamed (see stokes croft fest). Not to mention the potential trouble caused by the police shutting them down. This would surely be signing the carnivals death warrant long term. While I appreciate the carnival struggles for funding I cant believe the systems and stalls significantly increase cost, and both could be far better utilised for generating funds IMO.
While the procession is attended by all and sundry I still think the systems are more of a bristol thing and the organisers must realise they would face a big backlash if they stopped them. And I know loads of locals make a small fortune from food stalls etc in their yards, again can't believe the organisers would want to antagonise them.
Still recon this OP is far more rumour than fact. However everyone who loves st Pauls should definitely make an effort to support it financially and make sure their mates do too. If we don't we will lose it eventually and that would be a crying shame.

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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2012, 02:11:33 »

my opinion on it is this.

at the end of the day all the sound systems are run at the own expense of those involved with that sound system. the only exclusions of this, is the main stage which im guessing is community/council funded. all stalls are run again at those independent/local traders own expense etc (obviously very profitable for them). obviously last year saw the introduction of the red bull stage, which although some argue about this, i liked it due to the fact it was sperate in it's own area so didnt take away or over shadow anything else.

if they were to stop it i beleave this would happen. the soundsystems would still turn up be it illegally (roads not being shut off... would the people take that in to their own hands to close them). if they did obviously the council would fine them which would totally against support the community.



Pretty much this.
If they don't have legit sound systems they will have unlicensed ones still turn up and the carnival will be blamed (see stokes croft fest). Not to mention the potential trouble caused by the police shutting them down. This would surely be signing the carnivals death warrant long term. While I appreciate the carnival struggles for funding I cant believe the systems and stalls significantly increase cost, and both could be far better utilised for generating funds IMO.
While the procession is attended by all and sundry I still think the systems are more of a bristol thing and the organisers must realise they would face a big backlash if they stopped them. And I know loads of locals make a small fortune from food stalls etc in their yards, again can't believe the organisers would want to antagonise them.
Still recon this OP is far more rumour than fact. However everyone who loves st Pauls should definitely make an effort to support it financially and make sure their mates do too. If we don't we will lose it eventually and that would be a crying shame.



We really like these posts as this is where we are coming from.  There are some real dangers of how people will rage against the machine, ultimately leading to Carnival carrying the can. As we all know, events like the Carnival is built on the goodwill of the people and once its gone it will be impossible to reignite it. This is a uniquely special event that many other cities would chop off their right arms to have.  e.g. 90 - 100,000 people from all over the country spending their hard earned pay packets on the first weekend of the month. Not only that but Bristol needs something that brings different races, cultures and postcodes together as to many Bristol feels like a segregated City.  Loose this and watch the cultural isolation and community tension grow apace.

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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2012, 09:02:38 »

Seems to me that some people would rather look good organising the festival than feel good participating in the festival. If your in this for the face, i suggest fucking off  Two Thumbs



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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2012, 09:50:22 »

Heres the facts...

The below excerpt is taken from their 2011 Trustee report. Page 10 under reserves if you want to check it out.
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends61/0001136561_ac_20110331_e_c.pdf

"In January 2011 we received confirmation of regular funding by the arts council up to 2015 with a 44% increase in what we currently receive. We have had detailed and comprehensive meetings with the Arts Council and Bristol City Council. Everyone is agreement that as the Carnival has been growing year after year the costs too have been increasing. As there have been some cuts from certain funders we have agreed to reduce the Carnivals activities for 2012. This will allow for the    Carnival to catch up on the finances and therefore be unquestionably a going concern. There is currently no policy regarding reserves in place; however this position is currently under review.”


Is that it?
Is that what you're basing this entire campaign on?
"Carnival careful with cash in frugal times".

If you have something else I'd like to see it, this is weak.

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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2012, 11:06:22 »

Heres the facts...

The below excerpt is taken from their 2011 Trustee report. Page 10 under reserves if you want to check it out.
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends61/0001136561_ac_20110331_e_c.pdf

"In January 2011 we received confirmation of regular funding by the arts council up to 2015 with a 44% increase in what we currently receive. We have had detailed and comprehensive meetings with the Arts Council and Bristol City Council. Everyone is agreement that as the Carnival has been growing year after year the costs too have been increasing. As there have been some cuts from certain funders we have agreed to reduce the Carnivals activities for 2012. This will allow for the    Carnival to catch up on the finances and therefore be unquestionably a going concern. There is currently no policy regarding reserves in place; however this position is currently under review.”


Is that it?
Is that what you're basing this entire campaign on?
"Carnival careful with cash in frugal times".

We understand your skepticism and on Tues 28th at the Malcolm X you will learn of the disproportional negative and lasting affect "reducing the carnivals activities" means. As for more evidence, yes, over the past few days Team S.O.C.A has been in email contact with the Carnival for us to better understand the Carnivals plans and to arrange a meeting to discuss them.  Unfortunately this meeting did not happen. However during our conversations and based on information on their website we sought assurances that as of the 1st March and as in previous years that carnival would be opening up applications for artists to perform on the main stages, for 15 sound systems to set up on the streets and for a similar number of stall holders to trade across the usual sites of St Paul's?
 
The Carnival’s response was…
 
 “I’m afraid I can’t confirm the information you have listed, as it is incorrect and information about trading etc was changed on the website quite a while ago, but it is correct that the application forms will be available on the 1st March.  We are aware that the website does not always display correctly and are in the process of having a new website made for us. In advance of the meeting I have attached a copy of Carnivals annual report and accounts which will hopefully give you a bit more information about the organisation, this information is also freely available on our website and the charities commission website."

We are waiting for a response from the Carnival "On what is the correct information?"  We also advised them to correct the website but the incorrect information remains. So with the website admittedly being incorrect, it can potentially be viewed by many as deliberately misleading. The simple truth is this, since last year the carnival has rightfully consulted with the Police, Bristol City Council and the Art Council, but wrongly not its most important stakeholder, the community it was set up to serve.  We are the last to know and the ones who will be hardest hit by these changes.

On Tues 28th at the Malcolm X Center the community at large will finally be told of these plans. Our fear is this was never designed to be a consultation where the community can influence its direction as with only 4 months to go to the event plans must be to advance to change? As for the Carnival being frugal, yes we agree and with a 6 figure sum of public money that this is important, but as its our money, we the people should of been consulted more proactively. Also we believe that with a 6 figure sum a procession and some night club stuff is stretching frugal way too far!!!   

Please feel free to comment here or better still to contact us on saveourcarnival@gmail.com with any costructive ideas on how you think the Carnival can survive and thrive, which we plan on sharing at the meeting on 28th Feb at 6.45 at The Malcolm X.  We hope to see you there.
 
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« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2012, 11:38:08 »

Wow!
Chinese fucking whispers.
 
The carnival has been getting bigger, this obviously costs more money. They realised that they couldn't continue with that rate of growth so they have halted growth to ensure the carnival goes ahead, on budget etc. Pretty simple.

Talk about making a mountain out of a fucking molehill.

Also, on the whole Police/ Bristol City Council consultation thing, you're talking about 2 of the most retardedly slow organisations in the city, they would obviously need to be consulted first because they are thick as shit and it takes an ages for them to process information.
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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2012, 16:05:56 »

Heres the facts...

The below excerpt is taken from their 2011 Trustee report. Page 10 under reserves if you want to check it out.
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends61/0001136561_ac_20110331_e_c.pdf

"In January 2011 we received confirmation of regular funding by the arts council up to 2015 with a 44% increase in what we currently receive. We have had detailed and comprehensive meetings with the Arts Council and Bristol City Council. Everyone is agreement that as the Carnival has been growing year after year the costs too have been increasing. As there have been some cuts from certain funders we have agreed to reduce the Carnivals activities for 2012. This will allow for the    Carnival to catch up on the finances and therefore be unquestionably a going concern. There is currently no policy regarding reserves in place; however this position is currently under review.”


Is that it?
Is that what you're basing this entire campaign on?
"Carnival careful with cash in frugal times".

We understand your skepticism and on Tues 28th at the Malcolm X you will learn of the disproportional negative and lasting affect "reducing the carnivals activities" means. As for more evidence, yes, over the past few days Team S.O.C.A has been in email contact with the Carnival for us to better understand the Carnivals plans and to arrange a meeting to discuss them.  Unfortunately this meeting did not happen. However during our conversations and based on information on their website we sought assurances that as of the 1st March and as in previous years that carnival would be opening up applications for artists to perform on the main stages, for 15 sound systems to set up on the streets and for a similar number of stall holders to trade across the usual sites of St Paul's?
 
The Carnival’s response was…
 
 “I’m afraid I can’t confirm the information you have listed, as it is incorrect and information about trading etc was changed on the website quite a while ago, but it is correct that the application forms will be available on the 1st March.  We are aware that the website does not always display correctly and are in the process of having a new website made for us. In advance of the meeting I have attached a copy of Carnivals annual report and accounts which will hopefully give you a bit more information about the organisation, this information is also freely available on our website and the charities commission website."

We are waiting for a response from the Carnival "On what is the correct information?"  We also advised them to correct the website but the incorrect information remains. So with the website admittedly being incorrect, it can potentially be viewed by many as deliberately misleading. The simple truth is this, since last year the carnival has rightfully consulted with the Police, Bristol City Council and the Art Council, but wrongly not its most important stakeholder, the community it was set up to serve.  We are the last to know and the ones who will be hardest hit by these changes.

On Tues 28th at the Malcolm X Center the community at large will finally be told of these plans. Our fear is this was never designed to be a consultation where the community can influence its direction as with only 4 months to go to the event plans must be to advance to change? As for the Carnival being frugal, yes we agree and with a 6 figure sum of public money that this is important, but as its our money, we the people should of been consulted more proactively. Also we believe that with a 6 figure sum a procession and some night club stuff is stretching frugal way too far!!!   

Please feel free to comment here or better still to contact us on saveourcarnival@gmail.com with any costructive ideas on how you think the Carnival can survive and thrive, which we plan on sharing at the meeting on 28th Feb at 6.45 at The Malcolm X.  We hope to see you there.
 
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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2012, 16:39:03 »

Its not YOUR money.

If the council gives the carnival a "six figure sum" and this is in fact true, is it not our money that fund the carnival? Partially at least?
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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2012, 09:42:00 »

Its not YOUR money.

If the council gives the carnival a "six figure sum" and this is in fact true, is it not our money that fund the carnival? Partially at least?

The Council funds a lot of organisations, but that doesn't mean we all have a right to decide how that money is spent.
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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2012, 09:59:23 »

If they got rid of all the raver, dnb, dubstep, garage and shit mc'ing and kept it to dub, reggae and roots ska, got rid of that stupid BBC Introducing stage and scrapped the fair ground then it would be a sure fire way of getting rid of the masses of mess heads and turn it back into a proper carnival rather than an extension of a shit night out at Motion attended by people who think a free party is a guest list at lizard lounge.

Last year at city road about 11pm was fun, but it wasn't St Paul's Carnival.
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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2012, 10:16:40 »

If they got rid of all the raver, dnb, dubstep, garage and shit mc'ing and kept it to dub, reggae and roots ska, got rid of that stupid BBC Introducing stage and scrapped the fair ground then it would be a sure fire way of getting rid of the masses of mess heads and turn it back into a proper carnival rather than an extension of a shit night out at Motion attended by people who think a free party is a guest list at lizard lounge.


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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2012, 10:37:19 »

If they got rid of all the raver, dnb, dubstep, garage and shit mc'ing and kept it to dub, reggae and roots ska, got rid of that stupid BBC Introducing stage and scrapped the fair ground then it would be a sure fire way of getting rid of the masses of mess heads and turn it back into a proper carnival rather than an extension of a shit night out at Motion attended by people who think a free party is a guest list at lizard lounge.


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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2012, 11:59:27 »

guest list at lizard lounge.


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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2012, 13:34:54 »

@ 1984: Agree with your post wholeheartedly......apart from the "Garage" bit. (Reggae of all forms including especially Bashment, Lovers, Roots and Revival, RnB/Hip Hop, Soca, Garage, and Jungle is what makes a carnival IMO).

Tbh I didnt like the idea of the Redbull stage last year, big up to those who were involved as it went off, but damn..........there was segregation. (Unintentional obviously)
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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2012, 14:16:02 »

Also agree with most of what's wriiten above by 1984 and Timestretch though having been to every carnival since '94 there has always been a strong d'n'b/jungle sound...Brighton Street was the one for years with the Full Cycle/Ruffneck Ting lot and others.
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2012, 15:21:59 »

The carnival has been getting bigger, this obviously costs more money. They realised that they couldn't continue with that rate of growth so they have halted growth to ensure the carnival goes ahead, on budget etc. Pretty simple.

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They wouldn't get rid of stalls as they pay for their pitches which helps raise money to cover the costs (clean up, toilets, security, policing, fences, stages, health and safety, licensing, planning, event staff to run it etc), same with the funfair, and yeap Portland Square has been part of carnival for years and is the most family-focused area and start & finish of the procession. I've managed the area for the last 3 or 4 years now.

The 'organisers' are a very small team who work hard all year planning the event and raising the money, assisted by a committee who donate their time to help too. Its not a 'closed group' but they are over-stretched and incredibly busy so may not have time to meet everyone that asks, and they may not be as hot on the website & facebook stuff as some but don't hold that against them. They are consulting the community and have have been advertising the meeting loads including on the homepage of their website for ages. Its not a conspiracy.

The best way to help save the carnival is to help raise the funds it needs to support such large crowds. The Brisfest volunteers go out in force during carnival shaking buckets to help raise money for them and its surprising how few people put money in, and its really hard to convince people to give up a few hours to do this rather than just enjoying the day... so if you really love carnival the best way to help is to put on fundraisers, donate money, or give up a couple of hours on the day to help shake buckets with us.

Everybody up in arms about saving Carnival, there is something you can do to ensure its safety by donating money to the cause .... text your support and the amount to the number below

Text ‘CARN45’ and the amount you wish to donate £1 £2 £5 £10 £20 £25 £30 to 70070 to make a donation

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I'd like to really encourage everyone going to the meeting tomorrow to go with an open mind. Anger and 'outrage' is not productive and can just slow meetings down or cause unnecessary upset. Im sure the organisers care about the carnival as much as everyone else, so hopefully by everyone working together some ideas can be generated that may help secure the future of the event we all love.

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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2012, 17:03:12 »

Unfortunately, support for the Carnival is shocking.
I helped manage a team of bucketeers (if that's not what they are called then they are now) last year to raise money for the carnival and for Brisfest.
We followed the procession and then went into Portland square.
There was a surprisingly high number of people that questioned what we were raising money for and looked angry when you explained it was to ensure the Carnival happened again next year. It's a real shame that the bulk of attendees have no knowledge of the work going on behind the scenes and do not value the work that goes into all of the amazing events we have in this City.

It really is simple. Good events cost money.
Pay for a ticket when you have to or give a donation if you want them to carry on and to be successful. Support what we have.
Without charitable donations by text message and by loose change the carnival cannot and will not continue as we know it and love it.


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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2012, 18:16:35 »

to be honest it sounds like it's worth finding some other ways to raise money if buckets and text are so underused, whats the target amount?
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« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2012, 18:22:31 »

Ban whites! ? or at least limit the amount of the fuckers to 500  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2012, 18:26:01 »

have to reduce funding proportionally in that case rudeboy.
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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2012, 19:22:34 »

Unfortunately, support for the Carnival is shocking.
I helped manage a team of bucketeers (if that's not what they are called then they are now) last year to raise money for the carnival and for Brisfest.
We followed the procession and then went into Portland square.
There was a surprisingly high number of people that questioned what we were raising money for and looked angry when you explained it was to ensure the Carnival happened again next year. It's a real shame that the bulk of attendees have no knowledge of the work going on behind the scenes and do not value the work that goes into all of the amazing events we have in this City.

It really is simple. Good events cost money.
Pay for a ticket when you have to or give a donation if you want them to carry on and to be successful. Support what we have.
Without charitable donations by text message and by loose change the carnival cannot and will not continue as we know it and love it.




if people were collecting for bristfest at carnival then perhaps carnival should collect at bristfest  Undecided
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« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2012, 19:36:42 »

Unfortunately, support for the Carnival is shocking.
I helped manage a team of bucketeers (if that's not what they are called then they are now) last year to raise money for the carnival and for Brisfest.
We followed the procession and then went into Portland square.
There was a surprisingly high number of people that questioned what we were raising money for and looked angry when you explained it was to ensure the Carnival happened again next year. It's a real shame that the bulk of attendees have no knowledge of the work going on behind the scenes and do not value the work that goes into all of the amazing events we have in this City.

It really is simple. Good events cost money.
Pay for a ticket when you have to or give a donation if you want them to carry on and to be successful. Support what we have.
Without charitable donations by text message and by loose change the carnival cannot and will not continue as we know it and love it.




if people were collecting for bristfest at carnival then perhaps carnival should collect at bristfest  Undecided

its briSfest firstly Tongue

and Brisfest volunteer group collected for Carnival, as well as being involved with stokes croft street fest we spread our passion across bristol to bring the vibes!
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2012, 19:53:29 »

that might not be a bad idea dave
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« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2012, 00:18:09 »

If they got rid of all the raver, dnb, dubstep, garage and shit mc'ing and kept it to dub, reggae and roots ska, got rid of that stupid BBC Introducing stage and scrapped the fair ground then it would be a sure fire way of getting rid of the masses of mess heads and turn it back into a proper carnival rather than an extension of a shit night out at Motion attended by people who think a free party is a guest list at lizard lounge.


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