Petition: Make the EDL f**k off and not march in Bristol

[x]

http://epetitions.bristol.gov.uk/epetition_core/community/petition/1858#.T6_ecbCpta4.facebook

No further words needed. 

[bloke]

surely if they're breaking the law anyway it's a legal matter & no need for a petition?

[bloke]

& http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/30/let-english-defence-league-march

[x]

surely if they're breaking the law anyway it's a legal matter & no need for a petition?

It'd be lovely if some judge somewhere decided EDL marches by their nature broke the law, but afaik that isn't the case (yet). They only start being criminals once they start harassing people on the day (and they will).

[bloke]

i'm guessing the police banned all protests in the other areas because they couldn't discriminate, but a ban on protest seems a dangerous precedent to set, and would have the effect of making the edl more appealing to some.

this norwegian chap said he did his massacre to get publicity, and these petitions are a direct result of that it would seem, and would seem to further his aims.

[Bill Price]

Right, so it's ok to march if you don't like Tesco, it's ok to occupy a piece of land you don't own under the premise of protestation against the establishment and their corporate connectections, it's ok to march against us going to war to solidify oil imports for the next hundred years...

But it's not ok to march if you believe your country and society in general is under attack???!

No matter how deluded the EDL are with their extreme right philosophy, they should still be allowed to march.

Mainly because:
A) Every other cunt can march, whenever they feel like it
and B) Because our government and the rest of Europe needs to realise that there is a significant far right movement and it's all due to the foundations laid by the government and those before them for the past 50 years.

[bloke]

bit more info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League

[Jack Bastard]

No matter how deluded the EDL are with their extreme right philosophy, they should still be allowed to march.

As someone who actually lives in one of these so called 'no-go areas for whites' I take exception to a load of thicko fascists coming to my area to try to stir things up. Let them protest where they live.

[bloke]

yes, deliberately forcing people into extremist positions using nastiness, fear, anger or pain seems inhumane.

[Soash]

Wow, people are so quick to shout 'extremist' these days...

[bloke]

by "people" do you mean me?

[Soash]

by "people" do you mean me?

People are so sensitive about extremism these days, it's like...everything's so extremist - the word extremism has lost it's meaning.. 

[bloke]

yes or no?

[Wes Gorp]

Right, so it's ok to march if you don't like Tesco, it's ok to occupy a piece of land you don't own under the premise of protestation against the establishment and their corporate connectections, it's ok to march against us going to war to solidify oil imports for the next hundred years...

But it's not ok to march if you believe your country and society in general is under attack???!

No matter how deluded the EDL are with their extreme right philosophy, they should still be allowed to march.

Mainly because:
A) Every other cunt can march, whenever they feel like it
and B) Because our government and the rest of Europe needs to realise that there is a significant far right movement and it's all due to the foundations laid by the government and those before them for the past 50 years.

Yep, yep, yep.

yep (but the state prefers a far right to a educated left)

nope

If you know A and B to be tru why you so blu?

[Wes Gorp]

This has a economic base

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/05/new-right-ayn-rand-marx

as i said up there ^ , the state prefers a far right to a educated left, its actually capital rather than the state itself, a state blinded by capital will naturally create a far right that defends its being, as they both hold the same sentiments ie a traditional and very fundamental nationalist/patriotic stance.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/11/greece-golden-dawn-flares-fascism

How the economics manifest in the UK into a far right is no different than the rest of Europe in this day and age, EDL was created the same way the Tea Party was formed (wiki link above), under the guise of being a grassroots organisation, when in fact its was the brain child of an american right wing think-tank

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/10/english-defence-league-tea-party

That fact of that matter is that we are undergoing a dramatic socio-economic change (lets call it plan B for argumentation sakes), a change as big as the post war urbanisation, this change has signalled to some that the 'future is up for grabs', we hear things like 'faith with a dash of realism' and 'utopian realism' (green sustainable economy).

So what i see as a must for the peeps of britian is prolly different to what others might see (as im a dedicated lefty), but there is a growing right-wing, and that element is encouraged and enabled by a ever so slight fascist state that is duty bound to pander to the whims of capital.

 

[Snoo]

No matter how deluded the EDL are with their extreme right philosophy, they should still be allowed to march.

Yep.
Let them turn up and show what a bunch of nasty, violent scum they are. Let the police monitor, film and photograph them like they do for the hippies. And hopefully nick quite a few of them and keep their prints on record.

[Bill Price]

No matter how deluded the EDL are with their extreme right philosophy, they should still be allowed to march.

Yep.
Let them turn up and show what a bunch of nasty, violent scum they are. Let the police monitor, film and photograph them like they do for the hippies. And hopefully nick quite a few of them and keep their prints on record.

Exactly! If the only presence on their march is themselves and the police, imagine how shite and completely irrelevant they'll all feel.

[Keef]

No matter how deluded the EDL are with their extreme right philosophy, they should still be allowed to march.

Yep.
Let them turn up and show what a bunch of nasty, violent scum they are. Let the police monitor, film and photograph them like they do for the hippies. And hopefully nick quite a few of them and keep their prints on record.

Or do similar to what they did up North (Bradford I think?):

EDL turned up in force, as did police. Anti-fascist groups and public were encouraged to stay away, which they did. In the end it was just the EDL shouting at nobody. Occasionally local restaurants were bringing food out to police but in the main it highlighted that nobody wanted to listen to the EDL's shit.

[x]

No matter how deluded the EDL are with their extreme right philosophy, they should still be allowed to march.

Yep.
Let them turn up and show what a bunch of nasty, violent scum they are. Let the police monitor, film and photograph them like they do for the hippies. And hopefully nick quite a few of them and keep their prints on record.

Or do similar to what they did up North (Bradford I think?):

EDL turned up in force, as did police. Anti-fascist groups and public were encouraged to stay away, which they did. In the end it was just the EDL shouting at nobody. Occasionally local restaurants were bringing food out to police but in the main it highlighted that nobody wanted to listen to the EDL's shit.

Or it can go the other way quite easily too.... The EDL stand around provoking an entire community, the youth of that community retaliate (perhaps understandably) and there is a huge riot with loads of smashed faces. There was smashed faces at the Tesco protests too, but at least Tesco weren't standing there going "COME ON THEN YOU RATLOCKED SHIT-TARDS, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE 'ARD ENOUGH!" and encouraging the ruck. Two sides each provoking the other is a dangerous situation, and any statement that the EDL rally is not meant to provoke violence or to exacerbate racial tension is to be taken with a pinch of salt at best.

[Wes Gorp]

No matter how deluded the EDL are with their extreme right philosophy, they should still be allowed to march.

Yep.
Let them turn up and show what a bunch of nasty, violent scum they are. Let the police monitor, film and photograph them like they do for the hippies. And hopefully nick quite a few of them and keep their prints on record.

Or do similar to what they did up North (Bradford I think?):

EDL turned up in force, as did police. Anti-fascist groups and public were encouraged to stay away, which they did. In the end it was just the EDL shouting at nobody. Occasionally local restaurants were bringing food out to police but in the main it highlighted that nobody wanted to listen to the EDL's shit.

Or it can go the other way quite easily too.... The EDL stand around provoking an entire community, the youth of that community retaliate (perhaps understandably) and there is a huge riot with loads of smashed faces. There was smashed faces at the Tesco protests too, but at least Tesco weren't standing there going "COME ON THEN YOU RATLOCKED SHIT-TARDS, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE 'ARD ENOUGH!" and encouraging the ruck. Two sides each provoking the other is a dangerous situation, and any statement that the EDL rally is not meant to provoke violence or to exacerbate racial tension is to be taken with a pinch of salt at best.

Or maybe this is the reason in the first place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley

[Whagwan]

I support any attempt, peaceful or otherwise, to stop the fascists marching.

"They shall not pass"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_cable_street

[bloke]

stories i've heard about national front rallies in the past have often been 100 men shouting at no-one in particular in the rain.

[Slime]

EDL are such a non-entity they couldn't even get enough people to attend a pan-european rally of far-right supporters in Denmark a few months back.

The anti-fascist groups gathered outside outnumbered the delegates about 10 to 1.

Like all these things, if you marginalise them you make them martyrs - then they can spout off about their democratic right to protest being suppressed.

Let them march. Let them shout. And let the world see how utterly pathetic they are.

[Pippin-Drill]

EDL are such a non-entity they couldn't even get enough people to attend a pan-european rally of far-right supporters in Denmark a few months back.

The anti-fascist groups gathered outside outnumbered the delegates about 10 to 1.

Like all these things, if you marginalise them you make them martyrs - then they can spout off about their democratic right to protest being suppressed.

Let them march. Let them shout. And let the world see how utterly pathetic they are.

 

[ben_]

Anyone who doesn't think all protest should be banned should never argue against any group protesting. The state doesn't like protesting, if there is popular support for banning a particular protest group, it will make it difficult for others as well just because it can and does fight against all opposition to its power. Nevermind the free speech argument, if you think there is anything worth protesting against you're shooting yourself in the foot for strategic purposes.

[steve rice]

EDL are such a non-entity they couldn't even get enough people to attend a pan-european rally of far-right supporters in Denmark a few months back.

The anti-fascist groups gathered outside outnumbered the delegates about 10 to 1.

Like all these things, if you marginalise them you make them martyrs - then they can spout off about their democratic right to protest being suppressed.

Let them march. Let them shout. And let the world see how utterly pathetic they are.

Fucking right....unless i woke up in Russia we have freedom of speech and to adopt political views also the right to peaceful demonstration...

just let them come and go and make the police job and the final bill a lot easier and smaller..turning out to voice your opposition is exactly the wrong thing to do..unless of course you're a fascist who thinks our freedoms are only applicable to stuff you approve of

[B'Tol]

EDL are such a non-entity they couldn't even get enough people to attend a pan-european rally of far-right supporters in Denmark a few months back.

The anti-fascist groups gathered outside outnumbered the delegates about 10 to 1.

Like all these things, if you marginalise them you make them martyrs - then they can spout off about their democratic right to protest being suppressed.

Let them march. Let them shout. And let the world see how utterly pathetic they are.

Boom. Money shot.

By creating opposition you only ever make a movement or ideology stronger. It needs it's antithesis to exist.

And lol at them even coming anywhere NEAR the genuinely multicultural areas of Bristol. They haven't got the bottle.

[Dub boy]

EDL are such a non-entity they couldn't even get enough people to attend a pan-european rally of far-right supporters in Denmark a few months back.

The anti-fascist groups gathered outside outnumbered the delegates about 10 to 1.

Like all these things, if you marginalise them you make them martyrs - then they can spout off about their democratic right to protest being suppressed.

Let them march. Let them shout. And let the world see how utterly pathetic they are.

Boom. Money shot.

By creating opposition you only ever make a movement or ideology stronger. It needs it's antithesis to exist.

And lol at them even coming anywhere NEAR the genuinely multicultural areas of Bristol. They haven't got the bottle.

 

Living in a free country means you have to tolerate things you don't like or agree with. That's life.

[Hooner]

Maybe our resident Nazi double agent 1984 will be able to furnish us with more details?

[Baron Von Greezbag]

it's ok to march against us going to war to solidify oil imports for the next hundred years...

Wh-wh-wait!? Are you saying... that that is the reason we've been going to all these wars lately?



EDL? Hmm.. while Le Pen may seem mightier than the bourge in France, non-entity might be the more accurate way of describing EDL's presence in the UK, in terms of ever wielding any real political power. I'm all for freedom of speech though. Let dem huff and puff! But what do I know? My own sense of freedom of speech seems to dangle by a tennysonuous thread. So guard your roving thoughts with a jealous care, for speech is but the dialer of thoughts, and every fool can plainly read in your words what is the hour of your thoughts.

True, Soash. Extreme is just an adjective, afterall... I don't even know left from right anymore... politically; have the terms become redundant? What if my political view is set at extremely bemused... am i an extremist?

It's the anniversary of the big occupy barcelona camp down (before occupy came on the scene) and the tents are springing up in Placa Catalunya. Whilst they will probably get boyed by Felip Puig's goons (Mossos d'Esquadra), I am buoyed by their spirit.
So are their methods effective, can you really carry on camping? I am even sceptical of petitions (especially since that scientology sponsored Kony 2012 ponzi scheme phishing spam, and especially since their robot mouthpiece went haywire.) petitions are like unofficial lobby group perhaps, are they any more or less effective than camps or rioting? What about a gentley worded letter some dude in the house of lords? Dunno what Iceland did? Not much in the news, unsurprisingly, since theyve all got together and declared themselves a debt free republic and fucked off the whole debt they owe. Need to read up on how theyve gone about it... but not by rioting or bitching in tents, so fair play to em. Point is, i don't reckon marches amount to diddly squat in the grand scheme of things.



Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. (said the poet to the DJ)

[Snoo]

Maybe our resident Nazi double agent 1984 will be able to furnish us with more details?

He's busy trying to wash mung bean stains from his Klan robe.

[Wes Gorp]

http://www.hijackbristol.co.uk/board/the-forum/facebook-statuses-from-the-retards-from-school-who-are-on-your-facebook/msg1260538/#msg1260538

interconnectedness

[B'Tol]

The Iceland thing was in the news. It happened fucking donkeys ago.

They have done so by creating a nationalised currency not connected to the international markets which each individual has a stake in essentially.

Brazil is the model to watch at the moment. And the rise of the Chinese middle class.

We are all royally shafted very soon, fiscally speaking.

[H(/-\)YDEEZ]

by "people" do you mean me?

People are so sensitive about extremism these days, it's like...everything's so extremist - the word extremism has lost it's meaning.. 

WOAH WOAH WOAH back up a second, thats a bit extreme don't you think...

further to the previous comments, yes 40 people waving flags in town isn't going to do alot...

[Baron Von Greezbag]

Brazil is the model to watch at the moment.

Pics or GTFO!

[Snoo]

Seems to be a worry that they will march on the same day as the Gay Pride thing.

[Jack Bastard]

It would be amazing to see the EDL being tuned up by a troop of hench muscle marys.

[Pippin-Drill]

Seems to be a worry that they will march on the same day as the Gay Pride thing.

Excellent. Pride is an official event and will not be cancelled, so if these skin-head St George-waving bastards want to marc, then let them do it alongside the sparkly rainbows and blaring disco; it might do them good to get in touch with their inner gay.

[applecore]

I want them to march so I can play that EDL Muslamic Ray Guns song at them from my minirig. On that note, all Hijack minirig owners could meet up for a link up for that purpose...

[Evs]

I want them to march so I can play that EDL Muslamic Ray Guns song at them from my minirig. On that note, all Hijack minirig owners could meet up for a link up for that purpose...

 

[ben_]

trolling the edl with minirigs is an awesome idea

[steve rice]

Seems to be a worry that they will march on the same day as the Gay Pride thing.

Excellent. Pride is an official event and will not be cancelled, so if these skin-head St George-waving bastards want to marc, then let them do it alongside the sparkly rainbows and blaring disco; it might do them good to get in touch with their inner gay.

It's common knowledge that there is a strong homosexual element in the fascist quarter

[bloke]

i remember someone saying he thought there was a strong s&m element in nazi uniforms, i disagreed at the time but it turned out hitler liked being whipped by cheap prostitutes.

[B'Tol]

i remember someone saying he thought there was a strong s&m element in nazi uniforms, i disagreed at the time but it turned out hitler liked being whipped by cheap prostitutes.

Think that has more to do with Hugo Boss than Hitler...

[Bill Price]

I don't want a bad word said about Nazi uniforms. They're fucking mint.

[bloke]

so has anyone ever been to luton? because i'm totally not surprised the edl started there.

[Typowriter]

It would be amazing to see the EDL being tuned up by a troop of hench muscle marys.

This would send a very clear signal.
 

[Typowriter]

Also, this is tonight if anyone is interested:

[able]

so has anyone ever been to luton? because i'm totally not surprised the edl started there.

Because of the demographic of the town, or the IQ of it's inhabitants?

[bloke]

i don't know one exact reason but i found the atmosphere there pretty nasty, lots of racial tension, wanted to go in the jungle room at a club but was told whites were not allowed, heard that the local paper had a photo of clown on the front surrounded by stories about stabbings, just seems all round grim