Ketamine tops cocaine as new drug of choice

[DreadStar]

Government advisory panel ranks class C drug as more harmful than Ecstasy

By Mark Hughes, Crime Correspondent
Thursday, 15 January 2009
Ketamine - once the drug of choice for ravers - is now in widespread use

The horse tranquilliser ketamine is increasingly replacing cocaine as the substance of choice among Britain's recreational drug users, according to charities and experts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ketamine-tops-cocaine-as-new-drug-of-choice-1366714.html

[able]

Government advisory panel ranks class C drug as more harmful than Ecstasy

Then why do they 'rank' them as class C and class A then?  Stupid outdated system.

[DreadStar]

Government advisory panel ranks class C drug as more harmful than Ecstasy

Then why do they 'rank' them as class C and class A then?  Stupid outdated system.

Innit maybe one day our government wil actually give a shit about us and give us the harm system and scrap the class system!  Harm reduction has been calling on it for years and I know it would help.

[Wrongford (Nonny)]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

[pno]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

[Wrongford (Nonny)]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

I don't know what you're talking about. Everytime I'm around a K-Head their sheer energy infects me... it makes me want to run around and hear some colours, man.

[thedave]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

I don't know what you're talking about. Everytime I'm around a K-Head their sheer energy infects me... it makes me want to run around and hear some colours, man.

I heard that if you do enough you can smell time and taste parenthood, one boy reported actually grieving an entire fried breakfast
powerful stuff

[Wrongford (Nonny)]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

I don't know what you're talking about. Everytime I'm around a K-Head their sheer energy infects me... it makes me want to run around and hear some colours, man.

I heard that if you do enough you can smell time and taste parenthood, one boy reported actually grieving an entire fried breakfast
powerful stuff

This happened to me... it was amazing... like a life changing experience.

[Kraymon]

no hearing colours from my experience of people on it, just general madness, people talking, but not really to each other, followed by everyone coming round and wondering why the wrap is all over the floor ?!

[able]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

[Wrongford (Nonny)]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

[able]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

[Kirkio]

There's another (slightly inaccurate) article about it here too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

£20 a G?

Now I haven't bought K for about 5 years, but I'm pretty sure it was like a tenner then and I thought it was about the same now?

:edit:

Sorry Nonny - didn't notice you had already linked it.

[Wrongford (Nonny)]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

For what? Missing out on what I can only describe as the most amazing drug based story to ever grace my eyes? I don't feel Lady K had much to do with this situation.

[P to the D]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

I don't know what you're talking about. Everytime I'm around a K-Head their sheer energy infects me... it makes me want to run around and hear some colours, man.

I heard that if you do enough you can smell time and taste parenthood, one boy reported actually grieving an entire fried breakfast
powerful stuff

This happened to me... it was amazing... like a life changing experience.

Some paradigms chased me into Whalo's bathroom once, and my fingers turned Japanese. My brief affair with the stuff is long over. The nastiest side effect for me was that I could constantly feel my contact lenses in my eyes (very annoying) and I always felt very uncomfortable in my skin... I was very aware of bones, covered in layers of fat and tissue, covered in thin skin, it made me feel fragile. Not nice.

[Wrongford (Nonny)]

Sorry Nonny - didn't notice you had already linked it.

Too much seeing sounds, hearing colours, smelling time etc to notice the little things, eh?

[able]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

For what? Missing out on what I can only describe as the most amazing drug based story to ever grace my eyes? I don't feel Lady K had much to do with this situation.

Sorry, I missed out an 'I' there. I thank it every single day.

[Trix - Bass Honey]

There's another (slightly inaccurate) article about it here too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

£20 a G?

Now I haven't bought K for about 5 years, but I'm pretty sure it was like a tenner then and I thought it was about the same now?

:edit:

Sorry Nonny - didn't notice you had already linked it.

I've always been quoted £7-£10... Clearly the "investigators" for the report are getting ripped off.. Most likely because they dont look like they know what theyre doing

[Wrongford (Nonny)]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

For what? Missing out on what I can only describe as the most amazing drug based story to ever grace my eyes? I don't feel Lady K had much to do with this situation.

Sorry, I missed out an 'I' there. I thank it every single day.

Does God know about this, I'm sure there's something in the Bible about worshiping false idols. I'd be careful if I were you, mate.

[Trix - Bass Honey]

Some paradigms chased me into Whalo's bathroom once, and my fingers turned Japanese. My brief affair with the stuff is long over. The nastiest side effect for me was that I could constantly feel my contact lenses in my eyes (very annoying) and I always felt very uncomfortable in my skin... I was very aware of bones, covered in layers of fat and tissue, covered in thin skin, it made me feel fragile. Not nice.

Whats Paradigms?

I get moments with Rachel where we can play hand games for ages! Our hands will turn into mini people and have tickle wars with each other! Its great

[ollspin]

pissing in a bag is obviously much more glamorous than your nose falling off

[able]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

For what? Missing out on what I can only describe as the most amazing drug based story to ever grace my eyes? I don't feel Lady K had much to do with this situation.

Sorry, I missed out an 'I' there. I thank it every single day.

Does God know about this, I'm sure there's something in the Bible about worshiping false idols. I'd be careful if I were you, mate.

God told me to do it. I only smelt him telling me after I'd done it, but I think that's still ok.

[pno]

christ, they're all jumping on the bandwagon today...

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/Research-reveals-Bristol-increase-ketamine-use/article-616088-detail/article.html

[haslam_t]

"Anyone who takes this drug is reminded that it is an anaesthetic for animals and therefore totally unsuitable for human use. Therefore they are warned of the great dangers of using this substance."

not that it was invented for human use then eh? 

[able]

Just opened the Evening post at work to pull out all the business stories, and on page two is the headline "Fears as clubbers turn to horse drug" 

Where do they get their facts from? Has enyone ever heard of K being called Katie?

[Good Bacteria]

lol @ the general ignorance of these newspaper articles.

I know it's been growing in popularity but I don't really see why. It's just not a club drug in my eyes. I want to feel more connected to people and have more energy, not disconnected and tranquilised.

I can't really see it replacing coke or mdma as it's just not a replacement. I have no problem with people doing whatever drugs they like but I just can't see the appeal of it in a club other than tiny little bumps to add a trippy edge to things.

Maybe I'm just too inexperienced with it though.

[Night Wold feat. Maxi Priest]

I know it's been growing in popularity but I don't really see why.

well if people stopped selling shit coke im sure k would get four gotten about PDQ.

[Kirkio]

lol @ the general ignorance of these newspaper articles.

Init.

You would have thought that at least they'd be able to just ask some kids or summat.

For example - Every single one of them seems to have quoted £20 a gram - they're obviously all just farming their info from each other's articles! 

[basserize]

K heads are a fucking nightmare. They fall into everything, break stuff, dont move out of the way of incoming traffic, slober over bouncers which just infuriates them and generally FAIL at any level of dignity. And just look at you in confusion when you ask them to do anything, especially whipe their face. Looking like a brain-dead dribbling zombie with your mouth wide open and a crusty white polo is not a good look. Go home.

[basserize]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

[Spit]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

[Good Bacteria]

I know it's been growing in popularity but I don't really see why.

well if people stopped selling shit coke im sure k would get four gotten about PDQ.

Well my point is, for example. If I can't get any mdma I'm not likely to try and find some ketamine instead. It's just not the effect I'm after for a club atmosphere and I would have thought a lot of people felt the same way, but apparently not.

The cheapness and general purity are good points but my aim isn't to get fucked for as cheaply as possible, it's about maximising my enjoyment of the night and K just doesn't do it for me.

[basserize]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

  That even sounds more fun.... do you wana get wonky or wet? no contest! 

Im not going to advocate any drug use though, especially on a publically viewable internet forum - ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. But debilitating drugs which leave you more vunerable are especially bad - especially to girls. I know two girls who were sexually 'taken advantage of' or raped to be more accurate, whilst they were too K'd up to do anything about it. And they were'nt spiked -they got themselves in that state, which is very easy to do with k as the strengths vary so much and its difficult to quantify what your doing in a club. Two very seperate occasions and both girls can remember the whole thing too which is traumatic to say the least.

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

[tko]

Its all about the K induced colostomy bag - a big look in 2009.

Fucking idiots.

[Spit]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

  That even sounds more fun.... do you wana get wonky or wet? no contest! 

Im not going to advocate any drug use though, especially on a publically viewable internet forum - ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. But debilitating drugs which leave you more vunerable are especially bad - especially to girls. I know two girls who were sexually 'taken advantage of' or raped to be more accurate, whilst they were too K'd up to do anything about it. And they were'nt spiked -they got themselves in that state, which is very easy to do with k as the strengths vary so much and its difficult to quantify what your doing in a club. Two very seperate occasions and both girls can remember the whole thing too which is traumatic to say the least.

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

Very well said. The British have a national mental block over the difference between getting high, and simply getting fucked up- I think that K is quite symbolic of this.

[saratronic]

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

[billy disney]

k=no thanks

[alex fata]

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I hate to be the one to say this, i don't even like it very much, but are the health risks really any worse than with excessive use of any other hard drug?
obviously its not good for you, but i can't help thinking that there wouldn't be this knee-jerk reaction on a forum (where, lets be honest, most of us are fairly regular drug users of some sort) about any other drug that has been around longer and we're more used to. I mean, the only thing i can think of that makes K worse than coke, speed, mdma, pills, acid is peoples tendancy to over do it, and thats mainly because its so strong its easy to just do a tiny bump and still get really fucked by accident.
Except those people that really love getting into a K hole, but then if they weren't that way with K they'd probably be way over doing it with some other drug. Or is it just because its a new craze with 'the kids' that its pissing you off?
i do acknowledge though that too many people think K is harmless and therefore do more than they would otherwise, but i think the general cleanliness of it is a big advantage, i mean think of all the crap thats added to coke and pills, at least K is pharmaceutical grade.

im sure i'll get loads of abuse for this, and as i said, i don't really like k that much (certainly not compared to some!) but i just thought someone aught to bring the other side of the debate!

[pno]

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I hate to be the one to say this, i don't even like it very much, but are the health risks really any worse than with excessive use of any other hard drug?
obviously its not good for you, but i can't help thinking that there wouldn't be this knee-jerk reaction on a forum (where, lets be honest, most of us are fairly regular drug users of some sort) about any other drug that has been around longer and we're more used to. I mean, the only thing i can think of that makes K worse than coke, speed, mdma, pills, acid is peoples tendancy to over do it, and thats mainly because its so strong its easy to just do a tiny bump and still get really fucked by accident.
Except those people that really love getting into a K hole, but then if they weren't that way with K they'd probably be way over doing it with some other drug. Or is it just because its a new craze with 'the kids' that its pissing you off?
i do acknowledge though that too many people think K is harmless and therefore do more than they would otherwise, but i think the general cleanliness of it is a big advantage, i mean think of all the crap thats added to coke and pills, at least K is pharmaceutical grade.

im sure i'll get loads of abuse for this, and as i said, i don't really like k that much (certainly not compared to some!) but i just thought someone aught to bring the other side of the debate!

I think you've raised a valid point.

[Dan Moody]

What I meant was that I am concerned with children taking a drug that is hallucinogenic and with unknown long term effects. I feel the same about acid and mushrooms. When you are young you should be appreciating all the exciting new, drug free experiences life has to offer, especially whilst your brain is still developing. If you decide when you are an adult that you wish to indulge, that is your adult decision. K holes are like Pandora's box and even to a well balanced, happy child, the adventure a K hole can offer may be too much to resist and has led to a lot of very young kids spending too much time in this "other dimension" rather than developing themselves as positive happy individuals in this reality.

With repsect to how "clean" K is, even if your gram has not been cut (how do you know your K has not been cut unless u have cooked it up yourself?), even as 100% pure, it is a chemical who's activity in the brain and detrimental effects on the body are not still fully understood. Espcially the long term effects.

All drugs have side effects on your health, and I am not ranking K higher or lower on the risk scale than any other drug, I just wish people wouldnt sell it to impressionable children.

I was refering to children taking it, not adults adn it does not "piss me off" , it makes me worried and concerned at the state they are getting themselves into.

[Dan Moody]

Shit - sorry Dan, just realised I have written all that in your log in - this was me saratronic not Dan! sorry mate!

What I meant was that I am concerned with children taking a drug that is hallucinogenic and with unknown long term effects. I feel the same about acid and mushrooms. When you are young you should be appreciating all the exciting new, drug free experiences life has to offer, especially whilst your brain is still developing. If you decide when you are an adult that you wish to indulge, that is your adult decision. K holes are like Pandora's box and even to a well balanced, happy child, the adventure a K hole can offer may be too much to resist and has led to a lot of very young kids spending too much time in this "other dimension" rather than developing themselves as positive happy individuals in this reality.

With repsect to how "clean" K is, even if your gram has not been cut (how do you know your K has not been cut unless u have cooked it up yourself?), even as 100% pure, it is a chemical who's activity in the brain and detrimental effects on the body are not still fully understood. Espcially the long term effects.

All drugs have side effects on your health, and I am not ranking K higher or lower on the risk scale than any other drug, I just wish people wouldnt sell it to impressionable children.

I was refering to children taking it, not adults adn it does not "piss me off" , it makes me worried and concerned at the state they are getting themselves into.

[Bobby Basic]

I heard that if you do enough you can smell time and taste parenthood, one boy reported actually grieving an entire fried breakfast
powerful stuff

 

[Kirkio]

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

Its a good state of affairs for the good old fashioned club "Wallet Inspector" though init. 

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I got properly harrassed by 2 kids outside Dojo last Friday when I was flyering.
They had been refused entry (for being only 17) and were absolutely slavvering for some Ket and couldn't believe that I didn't have any. They just wouldn't drop it and one of them even had the cheek to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about (when I said personally I thought he'd be better off getting some MD or Pills on the go if he was looking for a good night) and that he had been taking it for 3 years because "I've tried all the other drugs and they just don't give me that same buzz!..."   

[theSultan]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

  That even sounds more fun.... do you wana get wonky or wet? no contest! 

Im not going to advocate any drug use though, especially on a publically viewable internet forum - ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. But debilitating drugs which leave you more vunerable are especially bad - especially to girls. I know two girls who were sexually 'taken advantage of' or raped to be more accurate, whilst they were too K'd up to do anything about it. And they were'nt spiked -they got themselves in that state, which is very easy to do with k as the strengths vary so much and its difficult to quantify what your doing in a club. Two very seperate occasions and both girls can remember the whole thing too which is traumatic to say the least.

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

Its a good state of affairs for the good old fashioned club "Wallet Inspector" though init. 

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I got properly harrassed by 2 kids outside Dojo last Friday when I was flyering.
They had been refused entry (for being only 17) and were absolutely slavvering for some Ket and couldn't believe that I didn't have any. They just wouldn't drop it and one of them even had the cheek to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about (when I said personally I thought he'd be better off getting some MD or Pills on the go if he was looking for a good night) and that he had been taking it for 3 years because "I've tried all the other drugs and they just don't give me that same buzz!..."   

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.

now, people are always on the look out for something more and more stimulating because we've become so desensified (sp). i think this is what turns us to drugs in the 1st place. really, we should in theory be content as being sober humans. but were always on the search of trying to "get more" our of our lives through crazy means (eg jumping off cliffs and taking horse tranquillisers)

 

[able]

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I hate to be the one to say this, i don't even like it very much, but are the health risks really any worse than with excessive use of any other hard drug?
obviously its not good for you, but i can't help thinking that there wouldn't be this knee-jerk reaction on a forum (where, lets be honest, most of us are fairly regular drug users of some sort) about any other drug that has been around longer and we're more used to. I mean, the only thing i can think of that makes K worse than coke, speed, mdma, pills, acid is peoples tendancy to over do it, and thats mainly because its so strong its easy to just do a tiny bump and still get really fucked by accident.
Except those people that really love getting into a K hole, but then if they weren't that way with K they'd probably be way over doing it with some other drug. Or is it just because its a new craze with 'the kids' that its pissing you off?
i do acknowledge though that too many people think K is harmless and therefore do more than they would otherwise, but i think the general cleanliness of it is a big advantage, i mean think of all the crap thats added to coke and pills, at least K is pharmaceutical grade.

im sure i'll get loads of abuse for this, and as i said, i don't really like k that much (certainly not compared to some!) but i just thought someone aught to bring the other side of the debate!

Agreed. K is fine in moderation like anything else. It's also really cheap and strong so moderation doesn't happen most of the time, and like Spit said, we British seem to like getting fucked up. Any drug is bad if your getting to the point where it's physically damaging you or making you act like a cunt. Most drugs have been around long enough for people to know their limits though.

[Syntax Error]

K is a bit of a waste drug in my opinion. To be fair, I've only done it once, on the way to Shit the Bed. Ended up with me completely off my face trying to get in on the guestlist when I hadn't been put on it (was supposed to be though). But my mates who take it more often don't really seem to enjoy it that much, it's more of a "let's get absolutely wasted and spend all week regretting it until next Saturday" type of affair. Which is something I rarely do, and never really enjoy.

The British have a national mental block over the difference between getting high, and simply getting fucked up- I think that K is quite symbolic of this.

Exactly. Getting high is understandable. But that's not what K does to you (or at least not to me).

[Night Wold feat. Maxi Priest]

Ended up with me completely off my face trying to get in on the guestlist when I hadn't been put on it (was supposed to be though).

thats some crazy shit right there bro 

[Syntax Error]

Ended up with me completely off my face trying to get in on the guestlist when I hadn't been put on it (was supposed to be though).

thats some crazy shit right there bro 

The crazy part was that I was completely off my face, and thought I was on some kind of mission to ensure world peace and was infiltrating some kind of military bunker. I think I may have overdone it.

[P to the D]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

  That even sounds more fun.... do you wana get wonky or wet? no contest! 

Im not going to advocate any drug use though, especially on a publically viewable internet forum - ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. But debilitating drugs which leave you more vunerable are especially bad - especially to girls. I know two girls who were sexually 'taken advantage of' or raped to be more accurate, whilst they were too K'd up to do anything about it. And they were'nt spiked -they got themselves in that state, which is very easy to do with k as the strengths vary so much and its difficult to quantify what your doing in a club. Two very seperate occasions and both girls can remember the whole thing too which is traumatic to say the least.

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

Its a good state of affairs for the good old fashioned club "Wallet Inspector" though init. 

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I got properly harrassed by 2 kids outside Dojo last Friday when I was flyering.
They had been refused entry (for being only 17) and were absolutely slavvering for some Ket and couldn't believe that I didn't have any. They just wouldn't drop it and one of them even had the cheek to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about (when I said personally I thought he'd be better off getting some MD or Pills on the go if he was looking for a good night) and that he had been taking it for 3 years because "I've tried all the other drugs and they just don't give me that same buzz!..."   

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.

now, people are always on the look out for something more and more stimulating because we've become so desensified (sp). i think this is what turns us to drugs in the 1st place. really, we should in theory be content as being sober humans. but were always on the search of trying to "get more" our of our lives through crazy means (eg jumping off cliffs and taking horse tranquillisers)

 

200 years ago everyone was off their choppers on opium and gin.

[B'Tol]

They were off their heads on opium and Gin because they weren't prohibited.

K is gay.

End thread.

[Square One]

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.

now, people are always on the look out for something more and more stimulating because we've become so desensified (sp). i think this is what turns us to drugs in the 1st place. really, we should in theory be content as being sober humans. but were always on the search of trying to "get more" our of our lives through crazy means (eg jumping off cliffs and taking horse tranquillisers)

200 years ago everyone was off their choppers on opium and gin.

Now that sounds like my kind of party!

[hijack haughton]

in terms of articles saying it costs 20 quid then they wouldnt be wrong in some places. and iv heard from a mate that it costs up to 35 in other places.

[alex fata]

Shit - sorry Dan, just realised I have written all that in your log in - this was me saratronic not Dan! sorry mate!

What I meant was that I am concerned with children taking a drug that is hallucinogenic and with unknown long term effects. I feel the same about acid and mushrooms. When you are young you should be appreciating all the exciting new, drug free experiences life has to offer, especially whilst your brain is still developing. If you decide when you are an adult that you wish to indulge, that is your adult decision. K holes are like Pandora's box and even to a well balanced, happy child, the adventure a K hole can offer may be too much to resist and has led to a lot of very young kids spending too much time in this "other dimension" rather than developing themselves as positive happy individuals in this reality.

With repsect to how "clean" K is, even if your gram has not been cut (how do you know your K has not been cut unless u have cooked it up yourself?), even as 100% pure, it is a chemical who's activity in the brain and detrimental effects on the body are not still fully understood. Espcially the long term effects.

ok, i am obviously a bit naieve (sp?) about how young people are when they start to take this stuff. sometimes on here you get people in their mid or late 20s referring to people in their late teens or early 20s as 'the kids' in a semi-ironic and 'oh no im getting old' kind of way. Obviously the younger you take any drug while your brain and body are still developing and you're too young to have become completely disheartened with the world (semi joke that last bit) the worse it will affect you permanently. i was simply trying to balance the argument a bit because it seems so fashionable now (there are literally anti-k shirts and hoodies on sale) to be anti-k, personally i think it would be much better to have anti coke, crack, heroin, pcp hoodies. but maybe i have just underestimated how much K is taking off with actually-really-young people.

didn't mean to belittle your concern for the youth of today

All drugs have side effects on your health, and I am not ranking K higher or lower on the risk scale than any other drug, I just wish people wouldnt sell it to impressionable children.

I was refering to children taking it, not adults adn it does not "piss me off" , it makes me worried and concerned at the state they are getting themselves into.

[saratronic]

to alex fata - no worries! i think you misinterpreted what I said the first time or maybe i wasnt very clear!

I am a teacher in bristol and I know of children as young as year 8 (thats 12 years old) who have tried it/take it regularly. These children may well be troubled kids anyway, but that is where my concern lies.

s : ) x

[K1987]

to alex fata - no worries! i think you misinterpreted what I said the first time or maybe i wasnt very clear!

I am a teacher in bristol and I know of children as young as year 8 (thats 12 years old) who have tried it/take it regularly. These children may well be troubled kids anyway, but that is where my concern lies.

s : ) x

12!?

[alex fata]

Shit - sorry Dan, just realised I have written all that in your log in - this was me saratronic not Dan! sorry mate!

What I meant was that I am concerned with children taking a drug that is hallucinogenic and with unknown long term effects. I feel the same about acid and mushrooms. When you are young you should be appreciating all the exciting new, drug free experiences life has to offer, especially whilst your brain is still developing. If you decide when you are an adult that you wish to indulge, that is your adult decision. K holes are like Pandora's box and even to a well balanced, happy child, the adventure a K hole can offer may be too much to resist and has led to a lot of very young kids spending too much time in this "other dimension" rather than developing themselves as positive happy individuals in this reality.

With repsect to how "clean" K is, even if your gram has not been cut (how do you know your K has not been cut unless u have cooked it up yourself?), even as 100% pure, it is a chemical who's activity in the brain and detrimental effects on the body are not still fully understood. Espcially the long term effects.

ok, i am obviously a bit naieve (sp?) about how young people are when they start to take this stuff. sometimes on here you get people in their mid or late 20s referring to people in their late teens or early 20s as 'the kids' in a semi-ironic and 'oh no im getting old' kind of way. Obviously the younger you take any drug while your brain and body are still developing and you're too young to have become completely disheartened with the world (semi joke that last bit) the worse it will affect you permanently. i was simply trying to balance the argument a bit because it seems so fashionable now (there are literally anti-k shirts and hoodies on sale) to be anti-k, personally i think it would be much better to have anti coke, crack, heroin, pcp hoodies. but maybe i have just underestimated how much K is taking off with actually-really-young people.

didn't mean to belittle your concern for the youth of today

All drugs have side effects on your health, and I am not ranking K higher or lower on the risk scale than any other drug, I just wish people wouldnt sell it to impressionable children.

I was refering to children taking it, not adults adn it does not "piss me off" , it makes me worried and concerned at the state they are getting themselves into.

don't quite know what happened here and how i managed to put myself in someones elses quote, but nevermind...

that is pretty mental, i was only just starting to drink at age 12, but again, i think those same kids would be doing bad shit anyway even if it wasn't k, but it is a problem that it has an image of being so harmless, i certainly agree with that

[bloke]

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.  

sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but all the evidence shows that people have been getting out of their heads in various ways all over the world since the beginning of time.

[Tekton]

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.   

sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but all the evidence shows that people have been getting out of their heads in various ways all over the world since the beginning of time.

true.  how else would someone have discovered filtering your fungi though a reindeer was a good way to get rid of those pesky fatal toxins.

[bloke]

that does strike me as strange... they just happened to be drinking reindeer piss one day...

[Tekton]

that does strike me as strange... they just happened to be drinking reindeer piss one day...

and then freaked out.. makes you wonder how long it took to work out it was the shrooms the herd had been eating that made them trip, like was there a guy sat there going 'this piss isn't working' 

[De-Fi]

that does strike me as strange... they just happened to be drinking reindeer piss one day...

and then freaked out.. makes you wonder how long it took to work out it was the shrooms the herd had been eating that made them trip, like was there a guy sat there going 'this piss isn't working' 

 

[P to the D]

Hallucinogens don't tend to break down in the body and stay in your piss, hence why they don't like you to pee in the rivers at Glasto festival, because LSD can get into the water and they use that for cow's drinking water. Worthy farm milk must be mental 

[PIN MONEY]

I know peeps who were taking acid and pills when they were 12, rather ketamine than that imo. Obviously neither would be preferable.

[vikoi]

blah blahhhhhhh blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[De-Fi]

Hallucinogens don't tend to break down in the body and stay in your piss, hence why they don't like you to pee in the rivers at Glasto festival, because LSD can get into the water and they use that for cow's drinking water. Worthy farm milk must be mental 

They've got nothng to worry about, LSD would break down in the water pronto!

Hallucinogens will only break down in the body if you have the right enzymes to do so, for a lot of drugs it is the byproduct that has more / as great an effect!

[Curtis Warren]

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

[Curtis Warren]

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

I've spent a bit of time researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...im bricking it!

"A study in Bristol reported in the British Medical Journal on 3 May 2008 linked urinary tract disease with ketamine use. Symptoms reported by users include an increased need to urinate, passing blood in urine, leakage of urine and pain on urination. These symptoms are associated with the scarification of the bladder lining, which leads to a shrunken bladder, erythema, and contact bleeding, and can then move to the ureters and damage the kidneys. In a study of 9 daily ketamine users, Shahani et al. found "marked thickening of the bladder wall, a small capacity, and perivesicular stranding, consistent with severe inflammation. At cystoscopy, all patients had severe ulcerative cystitis. Biopsies in 4 patients revealed epithelial denudation and inflammation with a mild eosinophilic infiltrate. Cessation of ketamine use, with the addition of pentosan polysulfate, appeared to provide some symptomatic relief."

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33986

http://www.partyvibe.com/forums/drugs/17052-uk-ketamine-health-problems-increasing.html

http://www.safecollective.com/ketamine

[able]

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

Spent the last week or so researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...

The people with bladder problemns are those people banging gram after gram of the stuff every week. I reckon the odd half/gram once in a while isn't gonna make your insides fall out.

[Ironside]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

[Curtis Warren]

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

Spent the last week or so researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...

The people with bladder problemns are those people banging gram after gram of the stuff every week. I reckon the odd half/gram once in a while isn't gonna make your insides fall out.

I suppose you could be right. Its worth knowing and researching as I was pretty deep into it a year or so ago. Wont be doing those horiffic lines anymore.

[Block Party]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

More blood in the toilet though.

[able]

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

Spent the last week or so researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...

The people with bladder problemns are those people banging gram after gram of the stuff every week. I reckon the odd half/gram once in a while isn't gonna make your insides fall out.

I suppose you could be right. Its worth knowing and researching as I was pretty deep into a year or so ago. Wont be doing those horiffic lines anymore.

That's it though, you get into the slightest habit, and it builds up pretty quickly. You've gone from bumps to poodles legs within a week or two, then you're not sure when you'll be a bit woobly or in a massive hole.

It's a drug that's too easy to get into IMO, although it's all good once in a while.

[PIN MONEY]

Fat lines of wonk?

If I got to the point where a bump didn't affect me, I'd be worried.

[Curtis Warren]

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

Spent the last week or so researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...

The people with bladder problemns are those people banging gram after gram of the stuff every week. I reckon the odd half/gram once in a while isn't gonna make your insides fall out.

I suppose you could be right. Its worth knowing and researching as I was pretty deep into a year or so ago. Wont be doing those horiffic lines anymore.

That's it though, you get into the slightest habit, and it builds up pretty quickly. You've gone from bumps to poodles legs within a week or two, then you're not sure when you'll be a bit woobly or in a massive hole.

It's a drug that's too easy to get into IMO, although it's all good once in a while.

 

[P to the D]

Fat lines of wonk?

If I got to the point where a bump didn't affect me, I'd be worried.

  I only once owned a gram, it lasted me about two months and then I gave the remainer away at Glade to a girl who was looking for some for breakfast  when I gave her the remainder of this cursed wrap, she exclaimed 'wow, nearly half a gram here'. I'd been tucking into it for weeks, and barely dented it. How people get through grams of the stuff, I'll never know.

[nevermind]

HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

[able]

HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

Listen to this man. He's a fiend and knows what he's talking about.

[Block Party]

HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

Listen to this man. He's a fiend and knows what he's talking about.

Sex-fiend 

[able]

HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

Listen to this man. He's a fiend and knows what he's talking about.

Sex-fiend 

That too.

[Block Party]

HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

Listen to this man. He's a fiend and knows what he's talking about.

Sex-fiend 

That too.

 

[nevermind]

wonky sex 

[DreadStar]

wonky sex 

Guess it depends who is wonky!  Screwing some half dead wonked up mess of a girl aint fun IMO

[snowball]

Guess it depends who is wonky!  Screwing some half dead wonked up mess of a girl aint fun IMO

lol

surely sobre sex is the best method

[able]

Guess it depends who is wonky!  Screwing some half dead wonked up mess of a girl aint fun IMO

lol

surely sobre sex is the best method

Depends who it's with. In my experience, sometimes very, very drunk is for the best. 

[nevermind]

wonky sex 

Guess it depends who is wonky!  Screwing some half dead wonked up mess of a girl aint fun IMO

To be fair, consciousness is pretty high up on the list of qualities I look for in sexual partners.

[cherry]

Watching all the munters falling into peoples tents at Re-cydrate the west was enough to put me off, people on Ket never look like they're having a good time, I dont get the point.

[able]

Watching all the munters falling into peoples tents at Re-cydrate the west was enough to put me off, people on Ket never look like they're having a good time, I dont get the point.

People sat there monging after smoking bong after bong don't look like they're having fun. Doesn't mean they're not.

That stage though, with anything, is when you've done too much! I wouldn't chose to do so much Ket i was falling over.

[Midnight Toker]

Watching all the munters falling into peoples tents at Re-cydrate the west was enough to put me off, people on Ket never look like they're having a good time, I dont get the point.

To be fair i imagine that had a lot to do with the unholy amounts of cider consumed by said munters as much as it did the wonky...

[able]

unholy amounts

This

[snowball]

It's taken a while, seeing as it's been around since the early 90's as a party drug (poss even earlier), and now of course there seems to be a mass hysteria with ketamine, as with all drugs that first appears in the public eye (which suggests it's useage being quite popular). Also because Bristol (especially) reached a critical mass over the last 12 months where lot's of people are starting to present the urinary problematic symptoms we all read about.

It's always wise to know the facts about what the long term affects/ damage for any substance can be, and it seems that the bladder thing with heavy consumption of K is becoming extremely common, especially with chronic users. (chronic being at least a gram of consumption on a daily basis, the tolerance of which gets higher and higher).
 
As a party drug now and again, there's very little chance of it causing major damage. Those who are unable to do the moderation thing are better off staying away from it completely tbh.

on another note, surely K damages your sex life to no end? or do people just settle for lazy sex with lazy positions? (same question asked to the weed smokers out there!)

[underberg]

When I used to do ketamine I would always get this wierd sensation that I had wet myself lol, I'm not suprise about bladder side affects 

[Points Askew]

in terms of articles saying it costs 20 quid then they wouldnt be wrong in some places. and iv heard from a mate that it costs up to 35 in other places.

yeah when i've seen other drugs surveys bristol is normally the cheapest or one of the cheapest for drugs, they probably averaged it out.

[Points Askew]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

[alex fata]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

oh im fine then, i love murder   

these two factors have always bothered me alot about coke, unfortunately not enough to stop doing it entirely, but it does put me off buying it in 99.999% of opportunites. that and its just not a very fun drug!


i still cant believe people get through a gram of k a day though, thats fucking mental, a bump is fun, a gram surely isnt?

oh and...

on another note, surely K damages your sex life to no end? or do people just settle for lazy sex with lazy positions? (same question asked to the weed smokers out there!)

stoned sex seems to be less varied, exciting and energetic than sobre sex in my experience! thankyou very much 

[Curtis Warren]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

oh im fine then, i love murder   

these two factors have always bothered me alot about coke, unfortunately not enough to stop doing it entirely, but it does put me off buying it in 99.999% of opportunites. that and its just not a very fun drug!


i still cant believe people get through a gram of k a day though, thats fucking mental, a bump is fun, a gram surely isnt?

oh and...

When I was bang into ket I was doing about a half gram a day. I thought that was a fair bit.
But to be doing a gram or more day in day out takes some serious work!

 

[PIN MONEY]

I am an absolutely hopelessly addicted weed smoker but why anyone would want to take ketamine every day is beyond me

[P to the D]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

True, however by that logic, we shouldn't pay taxes either if you think how much of the government's money goes towards war and the military.

[P to the D]

I am an absolutely hopelessly addicted weed smoker but why anyone would want to take ketamine every day is beyond me

You could say that about anybody's addiction. I have no idea why anyone would want to smoke weed every day or drink everyday, but then again I smoke cigerettes and drink copious amounts of tea...* so I guess we all have different vices.


Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke! 

[Ironside]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

True, however by that logic, we shouldn't pay taxes either if you think how much of the government's money goes towards war and the military.

You could look at it that way I suppose. The world is a fucked up place full stop & all that...

But plenty of people who complain about the war, state of the world, etc... & like to think of themselves as taking the moral high ground or take pride in remove themselves from mainstream society still hoof loads of coke like its going out of fashion. When, chances are, that someone somewhere has been seriously fucked over (or worse) in the supply chain that brings it to them.

I just think that there needs to be a wider acceptance that the damage that certain drugs have on certain countires/peoples/etc.. Particularly by those who consider themselves active against such injustices elsewhere.

[nevermind]

Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke! 

Put a kettle in your office.

[PIN MONEY]

Put a kettle in your orifice.

[P to the D]

Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke! 

Put a kettle in your office.

Not allowed as children come into my office and so it's still considered a hazard, plus there's no room.  will have to bring a flask, if I can find one big enough to accomodate my daily tea intake...

[nevermind]

Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke! 

Put a kettle in your office.

Not allowed as children come into my office and so it's still considered a hazard, plus there's no room.  will have to bring a flask, if I can find one big enough to accomodate my daily tea intake...

The bastards.

[P to the D]

Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke! 

Put a kettle in your office.

Not allowed as children come into my office and so it's still considered a hazard, plus there's no room.  will have to bring a flask, if I can find one big enough to accomodate my daily tea intake...

The bastards.

I swear some human rights violation is being breeched somewhere...

[PIN MONEY]

Not allowed as children come into my office and so it's still considered a hazard, plus there's no room.  will have to bring a flask, if I can find one big enough to accomodate my daily tea intake...

The bastards.

You shouldn't talk like that about children

[PIN MONEY]

I swear some human rights violation is being breeched somewhere...

You're a teacher?!

Those poor kids don't stand a chance

[P to the D]

I swear some human rights violation is being breeched somewhere...

You're a teacher?!

Those poor kids don't stand a chance

No, I'm not a teacher, can you imagine!

[cherry]

Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke! 

Put a kettle in your office.

Not allowed as children come into my office and so it's still considered a hazard, plus there's no room.  will have to bring a flask, if I can find one big enough to accomodate my daily tea intake...

Health and safety gone mad!

[Evs]

Only on Hijack can a Ketamine thread turn to talk of tea.

[PIN MONEY]

Tea, K....














Maxx

[Evs]

[PIN MONEY]

You like that baby, yeah

[Evs]

Out tonight Pins? Thinking of going to Lab later...

[PIN MONEY]

For some Tea and K?

Getsooiieeeuuueeeoooiiiue is me

[P to the D]

See if everyone who took K had a cup of tea instead... would be a beautiful world. 

[thedave]

See if everyone who took K had a cup of tea instead... would be a beautiful world. 

what if everyone who drank tea took K instead
more wonk vicar   

[nevermind]

See if everyone who took K had a cup of tea instead... would be a beautiful world. 

what if everyone who drank tea took K instead
more wonk vicar   

I imagine it would have serious ramifications for the construction industry.

[Evs]

Cream Teas would also be rather entertaining

[thedave]

See if everyone who took K had a cup of tea instead... would be a beautiful world. 

what if everyone who drank tea took K instead
more wonk vicar   

I imagine it would have serious ramifications for the construction industry.

 

[De-Fi]

See if everyone who took K had a cup of tea instead... would be a beautiful world. 

what if everyone who drank tea took K instead
more wonk vicar   

I imagine it would have serious ramifications for the construction industry.

 

Superb! 

[Points Askew]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

True, however by that logic, we shouldn't pay taxes either if you think how much of the government's money goes towards war and the military.

taxes are forced buying coke is an option, i just think people should know that its not just them they could be hurting then make their descision. i just think its quite funny when you meet a vegan who buys fair trade and thinks their green and they sniff coke.

[Points Askew]

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

True, however by that logic, we shouldn't pay taxes either if you think how much of the government's money goes towards war and the military.

You could look at it that way I suppose. The world is a fucked up place full stop & all that...

But plenty of people who complain about the war, state of the world, etc... & like to think of themselves as taking the moral high ground or take pride in remove themselves from mainstream society still hoof loads of coke like its going out of fashion. When, chances are, that someone somewhere has been seriously fucked over (or worse) in the supply chain that brings it to them.

I just think that there needs to be a wider acceptance that the damage that certain drugs have on certain countires/peoples/etc.. Particularly by those who consider themselves active against such injustices elsewhere.

this is the point i was trying to make but you did i much better job. 

[fatmandy]

K is lame

id much rather eat 2 Es some liquid 2cb, level up with some coke and drink myself and blaze into a stooper

kids nowadays eh wtf

[bloke]

i just think its quite funny when you meet a vegan who buys fair trade and thinks their green and they sniff coke.

a vegan on coke sounds scary 

[nevermind]

id much rather eat 2 Es some liquid 2cb, level up with some coke and drink myself and blaze into a stooper

That's the spirit.

[P to the D]

At least with pills you're actually benefiting the economy for people of other countries... well Dutch chemistry students anyway.

[Lizard Hi Tone]

One thing with K is you build up a tolerance so much that some people end up using it like weed, it just puts them on their 'normal' dopey state of mind...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bR3gIuWYnQo
Horizon - Britain's Most Dangerous Drugs

Half-decent doc where some proppa scientists present a harm based ranking of 20 drugs.
k comes at number 6. ecstasy at 18, (apparently its good for you!), coke 2nd.

[P to the D]

One thing with K is you build up a tolerance so much that some people end up using it like weed, it just puts them on their 'normal' dopey state of mind...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bR3gIuWYnQo
Horizon - Britain's Most Dangerous Drugs

Half-decent doc where some proppa scientists present a harm based ranking of 20 drugs.
k comes at number 6. ecstasy at 18, (apparently its good for you!), coke 2nd.

Coke probably comes in 2nd because for those who do it all the time run the risk of becoming such a knobhead that people try to run them over just to get them to STFU?

[bloke]

At least with pills you're actually benefiting the economy for people of other countries... well Dutch gangsters anyway.

fixed 

[Night Wold feat. Maxi Priest]

Where does Russel Dust come in the list?

[Lizard Hi Tone]

Where does Russel Dust come in the list?

what is this please?

coke comes in at number 2 because they grouped it together with crack...

[Kähn]

D.A.K jumpers and t-shirts available from Shop Dutty, Stoke's Croft 

[Curtis Warren]

There should be a range of "dubstep against coked up flat cap twats" jumpers/tshirts.
You know the type....

[Bongo_Clive]

Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke! 

Put a kettle in your office.

Not allowed as children come into my office and so it's still considered a hazard, plus there's no room.  will have to bring a flask, if I can find one big enough to accomodate my daily tea intake...

You have got to be kidding!!!

It'll be a cold day in hell when some twat from Ofsted tells me I can't make tea in my classroom! They can go right ahead and kiss my hairy ring piece! Stick it to the man Em, hold onto your mug!

[Night Wold feat. Maxi Priest]

Where does Russel Dust come in the list?

what is this please?

it's a bit like Clarky Cat but a touch more cerebral 

[thedave]

Where does Russel Dust come in the list?

what is this please?

it's a bit like Clarky Cat but a touch more cerebral 

yeah that's the stuff, gives you arms like a piano dentist, gets you right blooty

[Rosco]

i just think its very funny when you meet a vegan who buys fair trade and gets killed by a stampeding cow

fixed 

[Trix - Bass Honey]

Looks like youre also on this thread then, Chunky Lover  lol

Good to meet you the other night, sorry if it was only brief, the woman was cold and wanted to jog on to the club

Did you come to Leigh Woods in the end? I went to squat party instead 

[able]

Looks like youre also on this thread then, Chunky Lover  lol

Good to meet you the other night, sorry if it was only brief, the woman was cold and wanted to jog on to the club

Did you come to Leigh Woods in the end? I went to squat party instead 

I forgot about that! Friday night was a bit hazy... 

[eyeman]

TBH I prefer K-heads to Coke-heads.
More silence less violence IMAO.
Tea & Hip Hop, eyeman

[Lizard Hi Tone]

"Russel dust:
The sparkling trail of dead hair and powdered sweat that people called Russel usually leave behind them.
There is Russel dust everywhere, man!"

How do you take that shit?

[Trix - Bass Honey]

Personally coke heads IMO are trying to make themselves into a different "better" personality - Mostly ending up in destroying what was fine in the first place, and wasting money in the meantime - Plus it lasts for half an hour... Boo

If I can go out and have a wicked night on £7 for K, then so be it, I just feel pissed, I talk just as much as normal, and I generally have a wicked night out

Also, hurrah for Mandy too! Oh, oh, oh and hurrah for Mr A Sid - Possibly my favourite, highly recommend for those with a strong and stable mind

[theSultan]

Personally coke heads IMO are trying to make themselves into a different "better" personality - Mostly ending up in destroying what was fine in the first place, and wasting money in the meantime - Plus it lasts for half an hour... Boo

If I can go out and have a wicked night on £7 for K, then so be it, I just feel pissed, I talk just as much as normal, and I generally have a wicked night out

Also, hurrah for Mandy too! Oh, oh, oh and hurrah for Mr A Sid - Possibly my favourite, highly recommend for those with a strong and stable mind

were some of the bass honeys at timbuk2 on sat? i think some of them offered two of mates K (they were against the stuff)
and they took it, i cannae believe they did it because two boom gyal offered it to them...
  

[Trix - Bass Honey]

Personally coke heads IMO are trying to make themselves into a different "better" personality - Mostly ending up in destroying what was fine in the first place, and wasting money in the meantime - Plus it lasts for half an hour... Boo

If I can go out and have a wicked night on £7 for K, then so be it, I just feel pissed, I talk just as much as normal, and I generally have a wicked night out

Also, hurrah for Mandy too! Oh, oh, oh and hurrah for Mr A Sid - Possibly my favourite, highly recommend for those with a strong and stable mind

were some of the bass honeys at timbuk2 on sat? i think some of them offered two of mates K (they were against the stuff)
and they took it, i cannae believe they did it because two boom gyal offered it to them...
  

Michael and Henry? That was me, I'm sorry, Henry and I were trying to locate uppers, so I gave him all I had instead, bit of Mud and some K... He seemed to enjoy it, and he wont get hooked if he has a teenie bump, I gave him less than the size of my little finger and stayed with him till it passed

[theSultan]

Personally coke heads IMO are trying to make themselves into a different "better" personality - Mostly ending up in destroying what was fine in the first place, and wasting money in the meantime - Plus it lasts for half an hour... Boo

If I can go out and have a wicked night on £7 for K, then so be it, I just feel pissed, I talk just as much as normal, and I generally have a wicked night out

Also, hurrah for Mandy too! Oh, oh, oh and hurrah for Mr A Sid - Possibly my favourite, highly recommend for those with a strong and stable mind

were some of the bass honeys at timbuk2 on sat? i think some of them offered two of mates K (they were against the stuff)
and they took it, i cannae believe they did it because two boom gyal offered it to them...
  

Michael and Henry? That was me, I'm sorry, Henry and I were trying to locate uppers, so I gave him all I had instead, bit of Mud and some K... He seemed to enjoy it, and he wont get hooked if he has a teenie bump, I gave him less than the size of my little finger and stayed with him till it passed

aye, mikey and henry. small world 

[Trix - Bass Honey]

I didnt know them from before, but I couldnt abandon the poor lads in their time of need, plus theyre some funny little guys, arent they?

Are you buddies with them? Did I meet you aswell? I sat with them after I gave them some K for a bit in the inbetweeny place - Im the purple haired girl who was with the tall blonde lady

[theSultan]

I didnt know them from before, but I couldnt abandon the poor lads in their time of need, plus theyre some funny little guys, arent they?

Are you buddies with them? Did I meet you aswell? I sat with them after I gave them some K for a bit in the inbetweeny place - Im the purple haired girl who was with the tall blonde lady

yeah we've been mates for around 5 years or so. its just odd that in the space of an eve there k view went from "K? fuck that, only fools and horses etc" to taking it cus they cant find any lil ones.

im sure they'll take it again, ("it wasn't even that bad") especially mike, he's a mandy fanatic  but in a good way 

but im not saying i wont take it, i jus wana be content with the drugs i take, ya get me?

to answer your question i wasnt at timbuk2, you may have met Ned tho. gutted cus the club classics sounded like a laff. 

[P to the D]

Mandy FTW, out of all drugs ever including booze, this is by far my favourite and the one that makes me: have the most fun, feel the least ill, not bother my state of mind for the next week, and is the best value for money.

The only downside is it tastes like licking the devil's armpit. 

[Trix - Bass Honey]

The only downside is it tastes like licking the devil's armpit. 

 



I didnt meet Ned - I've got a good memory for meeting people on nights out.... Yet I cant remember my daily tasks in work.. Go figure.

Next time you guys are out, give me a message, would be cool to hook up again

Tell Henry I said "Naaay" in a horse-like fashion

[theSultan]

The only downside is it tastes like licking the devil's armpit. 

 



I didnt meet Ned - I've got a good memory for meeting people on nights out.... Yet I cant remember my daily tasks in work.. Go figure.

Next time you guys are out, give me a message, would be cool to hook up again

Tell Henry I said "Naaay" in a horse-like fashion

  will do


oh yeah! yet another example of small bristolness, my g/f works with one of the honeys at Halo on glozzy rd, crazy tings.

[The Grip]

fucking bunch of waste

[snowball]

Mandy FTW, out of all drugs ever including booze, this is by far my favourite and the one that makes me: have the most fun, feel the least ill, not bother my state of mind for the next week, and is the best value for money.

i've heard of people say they don't get a come down but then they're the same ones who drop md bombs every weekend, so the seratonin vacuum that's inevitably there hasn't had time to naturally recover yet and ravers are just flooding the brain again? i don't really know how it affects the brain chemistry tbh, need some medical knowledge here but pretty sure common sense would suggest that what goes up..must come down...harder as well cuz that shit is like nuclear rocket fuel.

mind you, if freud prescribed it.. 

[P to the D]

Mandy FTW, out of all drugs ever including booze, this is by far my favourite and the one that makes me: have the most fun, feel the least ill, not bother my state of mind for the next week, and is the best value for money.

i've heard of people say they don't get a come down but then they're the same ones who drop md bombs every weekend, so the seratonin vacuum that's inevitably there hasn't had time to naturally recover yet and ravers are just flooding the brain again? i don't really know how it affects the brain chemistry tbh, need some medical knowledge here but pretty sure common sense would suggest that what goes up..must come down...harder as well cuz that shit is like nuclear rocket fuel.

mind you, if freud prescribed it.. 

oooh no, those days are long gone, but as an occasional treat I still reckon it is the most fun for your money. Booze on the other hand has a hideous effect on my state of mind and leaves me a sobbing, grouchy, sicky wreck for days...

horses for courses... well not horses in my case.

[snowball]

Booze on the other hand has a hideous effect on my state of mind and leaves me a sobbing, grouchy, sicky wreck for days...

ouch! well it is a technically depressant. during those days watch the red dwarf smeg ups on youtube as an antidote!

but yeah..

all we can do is try and take care of the extreme end of K users before their urinary system gives in, and spread the word of moderation and safer using for the rest. People/ punters should be able to do what they wanna do without judgement; whether they are seeking forfillment they cannot find elsewhere at that stage in their lives, looking to escape reality i mean who isn't, or simply love the buzz of using substances to get off their face. Even if they look like a dribbling zombie (like a few people upstairs at dissident) am sure their minds are loving it!

and there you go, heal the world yadeeyah

[The Grip]

dont take Ketamine,its bad news.

you are stupid for taking it.

[Trix - Bass Honey]

I do apologise, which one is this? I dont know what their day jobs are lol

Myself and Rach/Roxy are the Bass Honeys, the other girls are substitutes if we need them etc etc...

[PIN MONEY]

So we're agreed then, Ketamine is "The One"

[theSultan]

I do apologise, which one is this? I dont know what their day jobs are lol

Myself and Rach/Roxy are the Bass Honeys, the other girls are substitutes if we need them etc etc...

cant remember her name, sorry. my g/f recognised her from somewhere and she said she was one of the dancers at bedlam vs infedility back in december.

i've heard of people say they don't get a come down but then they're the same ones who drop md bombs every weekend, so the seratonin vacuum that's inevitably there hasn't had time to naturally recover yet and ravers are just flooding the brain again? i don't really know how it affects the brain chemistry tbh, need some medical knowledge here but pretty sure common sense would suggest that what goes up..must come down...harder as well cuz that shit is like nuclear rocket fuel.

eesh, well mandy stimulates the release of serotonin form the brain, it doesnt create it. which is why when me/you are at a festival or just a mad one when we drop our xth bomb. nothing happens, because we have depleted all the serotonin. so the only was i can think of ppl droppin every weekend is by taking some serious 5HTP.

[Trix - Bass Honey]

OR we could all just take 2CB's and be done with it - That is the shiznic

Ere Jim, you and I are overdue a rave on, I'm sure, are you at Bedlam??

[PIN MONEY]

Ere Jim, you and I are overdue a rave on, I'm sure, are you at Bedlam??

You talking to me? I don't see anyone else here. Not out for a while unfortunately - Gotta save some cash on a serious tip

Still try and have fun tho!

[theSultan]

Ere Jim, you and I are overdue a rave on, I'm sure, are you at Bedlam??

You talking to me? I don't see anyone else here. Not out for a while unfortunately - Gotta save some cash on a serious tip

Still try and have fun tho!

 

going to be a la swan next saturday for the valentines massacre   

[Trix - Bass Honey]

Ere Jim, you and I are overdue a rave on, I'm sure, are you at Bedlam??

You talking to me? I don't see anyone else here. Not out for a while unfortunately - Gotta save some cash on a serious tip

Still try and have fun tho!

Can I tempt you into a night of  at motion on the 28th instead then? 

[PIN MONEY]

Can I tempt you into a night of  at motion on the 28th instead then? 

I'd love to, but I will be in CALIFORNIA!!! W00T!!!

Sorry to gloat

Will def be out raving as soon as I get back tho so sure to catch u then

[DreadStar]

I do apologise, which one is this? I dont know what their day jobs are lol

Myself and Rach/Roxy are the Bass Honeys, the other girls are prostitutes if we need them etc etc...

Ah that clears it up a bit cheers 

[Trix - Bass Honey]

I do apologise, which one is this? I dont know what their day jobs are lol

Myself and Rach/Roxy are the Bass Honeys, the other girls are prostitutes if we need them etc etc...

Ah that clears it up a bit cheers 

  Shhh Dreadstar - That was a deal I did for you, and you alone... We all know how youre lonely.. 

[bloke]

welcome guardian readers!

[Hanuman]

welcome guardian readers!

Hijack points to guardian back to hijack again.

Nice.

[Trix - Bass Honey]

How do we know the Guardian has been on here?


And will it matter if someone goes "I saw a post from someone with the name 'crackhead', talking about drugs!!  :eek "

[JONETHICS]

How do we know the Guardian has been on here?


And will it matter if someone goes "I saw a post from someone with the name 'crackhead', talking about drugs!!  :eek "

Drugs are bad.

[Trix - Bass Honey]

How do we know the Guardian has been on here?


And will it matter if someone goes "I saw a post from someone with the name 'crackhead', talking about drugs!!  :eek "

Drugs are bad.

Sorry, hun, was just using your name as an example 

[Silent Frog]

How do we know the Guardian has been on here?


And will it matter if someone goes "I saw a post from someone with the name 'crackhead', talking about drugs!!  :eek "

Because this article links to it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/mar/05/wonky-ketamine-dubstep-zomby 

[Android Lloyd Webber]

Dear Visitors,

Welcome to Hijack. I am glad that you are here. I have important news for you, so pay close attention. Did you know that famous DJ Carl Cox has been spotted on many occasions in the clubs of Bristol, masturbating publicly? Well, he has. THERE MUST BE AN INQUEST, PREFERABLY IN DUBAI.

Also: OMG WTF IS THIS LMAO!!:

[Kähn]

How do we know the Guardian has been on here?


And will it matter if someone goes "I saw a post from someone with the name 'crackhead', talking about drugs!!  :eek "

Because this article links to it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/mar/05/wonky-ketamine-dubstep-zomby 

Nice little mention of our D.A.K t-shirts I see