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« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2009, 20:53:41 »

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.

now, people are always on the look out for something more and more stimulating because we've become so desensified (sp). i think this is what turns us to drugs in the 1st place. really, we should in theory be content as being sober humans. but were always on the search of trying to "get more" our of our lives through crazy means (eg jumping off cliffs and taking horse tranquillisers)

200 years ago everyone was off their choppers on opium and gin.

Now that sounds like my kind of party!

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« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2009, 20:58:47 »

in terms of articles saying it costs 20 quid then they wouldnt be wrong in some places. and iv heard from a mate that it costs up to 35 in other places.

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« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2009, 23:05:26 »

Shit - sorry Dan, just realised I have written all that in your log in - this was me saratronic not Dan! sorry mate!

What I meant was that I am concerned with children taking a drug that is hallucinogenic and with unknown long term effects. I feel the same about acid and mushrooms. When you are young you should be appreciating all the exciting new, drug free experiences life has to offer, especially whilst your brain is still developing. If you decide when you are an adult that you wish to indulge, that is your adult decision. K holes are like Pandora's box and even to a well balanced, happy child, the adventure a K hole can offer may be too much to resist and has led to a lot of very young kids spending too much time in this "other dimension" rather than developing themselves as positive happy individuals in this reality.

With repsect to how "clean" K is, even if your gram has not been cut (how do you know your K has not been cut unless u have cooked it up yourself?), even as 100% pure, it is a chemical who's activity in the brain and detrimental effects on the body are not still fully understood. Espcially the long term effects.

ok, i am obviously a bit naieve (sp?) about how young people are when they start to take this stuff. sometimes on here you get people in their mid or late 20s referring to people in their late teens or early 20s as 'the kids' in a semi-ironic and 'oh no im getting old' kind of way. Obviously the younger you take any drug while your brain and body are still developing and you're too young to have become completely disheartened with the world (semi joke that last bit) the worse it will affect you permanently. i was simply trying to balance the argument a bit because it seems so fashionable now (there are literally anti-k shirts and hoodies on sale) to be anti-k, personally i think it would be much better to have anti coke, crack, heroin, pcp hoodies. but maybe i have just underestimated how much K is taking off with actually-really-young people.

didn't mean to belittle your concern for the youth of today

All drugs have side effects on your health, and I am not ranking K higher or lower on the risk scale than any other drug, I just wish people wouldnt sell it to impressionable children.

I was refering to children taking it, not adults adn it does not "piss me off" , it makes me worried and concerned at the state they are getting themselves into.
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« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2009, 23:16:20 »

to alex fata - no worries! i think you misinterpreted what I said the first time or maybe i wasnt very clear!

I am a teacher in bristol and I know of children as young as year 8 (thats 12 years old) who have tried it/take it regularly. These children may well be troubled kids anyway, but that is where my concern lies.

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« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2009, 23:46:33 »

to alex fata - no worries! i think you misinterpreted what I said the first time or maybe i wasnt very clear!

I am a teacher in bristol and I know of children as young as year 8 (thats 12 years old) who have tried it/take it regularly. These children may well be troubled kids anyway, but that is where my concern lies.

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« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2009, 00:37:05 »

Shit - sorry Dan, just realised I have written all that in your log in - this was me saratronic not Dan! sorry mate!

What I meant was that I am concerned with children taking a drug that is hallucinogenic and with unknown long term effects. I feel the same about acid and mushrooms. When you are young you should be appreciating all the exciting new, drug free experiences life has to offer, especially whilst your brain is still developing. If you decide when you are an adult that you wish to indulge, that is your adult decision. K holes are like Pandora's box and even to a well balanced, happy child, the adventure a K hole can offer may be too much to resist and has led to a lot of very young kids spending too much time in this "other dimension" rather than developing themselves as positive happy individuals in this reality.

With repsect to how "clean" K is, even if your gram has not been cut (how do you know your K has not been cut unless u have cooked it up yourself?), even as 100% pure, it is a chemical who's activity in the brain and detrimental effects on the body are not still fully understood. Espcially the long term effects.

ok, i am obviously a bit naieve (sp?) about how young people are when they start to take this stuff. sometimes on here you get people in their mid or late 20s referring to people in their late teens or early 20s as 'the kids' in a semi-ironic and 'oh no im getting old' kind of way. Obviously the younger you take any drug while your brain and body are still developing and you're too young to have become completely disheartened with the world (semi joke that last bit) the worse it will affect you permanently. i was simply trying to balance the argument a bit because it seems so fashionable now (there are literally anti-k shirts and hoodies on sale) to be anti-k, personally i think it would be much better to have anti coke, crack, heroin, pcp hoodies. but maybe i have just underestimated how much K is taking off with actually-really-young people.

didn't mean to belittle your concern for the youth of today

All drugs have side effects on your health, and I am not ranking K higher or lower on the risk scale than any other drug, I just wish people wouldnt sell it to impressionable children.

I was refering to children taking it, not adults adn it does not "piss me off" , it makes me worried and concerned at the state they are getting themselves into.


don't quite know what happened here and how i managed to put myself in someones elses quote, but nevermind...

that is pretty mental, i was only just starting to drink at age 12, but again, i think those same kids would be doing bad shit anyway even if it wasn't k, but it is a problem that it has an image of being so harmless, i certainly agree with that
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« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2009, 01:09:28 »

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.  
sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but all the evidence shows that people have been getting out of their heads in various ways all over the world since the beginning of time.
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« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2009, 01:15:34 »

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.   
sorry to be the one to burst your bubble, but all the evidence shows that people have been getting out of their heads in various ways all over the world since the beginning of time.

true.  how else would someone have discovered filtering your fungi though a reindeer was a good way to get rid of those pesky fatal toxins.
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« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2009, 01:23:12 »

that does strike me as strange... they just happened to be drinking reindeer piss one day...
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« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2009, 01:27:59 »

that does strike me as strange... they just happened to be drinking reindeer piss one day...

and then freaked out.. makes you wonder how long it took to work out it was the shrooms the herd had been eating that made them trip, like was there a guy sat there going 'this piss isn't working'  Laugh
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« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2009, 01:39:09 »

that does strike me as strange... they just happened to be drinking reindeer piss one day...

and then freaked out.. makes you wonder how long it took to work out it was the shrooms the herd had been eating that made them trip, like was there a guy sat there going 'this piss isn't working'  Laugh

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« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2009, 09:33:05 »

Hallucinogens don't tend to break down in the body and stay in your piss, hence why they don't like you to pee in the rivers at Glasto festival, because LSD can get into the water and they use that for cow's drinking water. Worthy farm milk must be mental  Cheesy
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« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2009, 09:43:14 »

I know peeps who were taking acid and pills when they were 12, rather ketamine than that imo. Obviously neither would be preferable.
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« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2009, 13:54:21 »

Hallucinogens don't tend to break down in the body and stay in your piss, hence why they don't like you to pee in the rivers at Glasto festival, because LSD can get into the water and they use that for cow's drinking water. Worthy farm milk must be mental  Cheesy

They've got nothng to worry about, LSD would break down in the water pronto!

Hallucinogens will only break down in the body if you have the right enzymes to do so, for a lot of drugs it is the byproduct that has more / as great an effect!
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« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2009, 11:39:21 »

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)
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« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2009, 11:44:21 »

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)
I've spent a bit of time researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...im bricking it!

"A study in Bristol reported in the British Medical Journal on 3 May 2008 linked urinary tract disease with ketamine use. Symptoms reported by users include an increased need to urinate, passing blood in urine, leakage of urine and pain on urination. These symptoms are associated with the scarification of the bladder lining, which leads to a shrunken bladder, erythema, and contact bleeding, and can then move to the ureters and damage the kidneys. In a study of 9 daily ketamine users, Shahani et al. found "marked thickening of the bladder wall, a small capacity, and perivesicular stranding, consistent with severe inflammation. At cystoscopy, all patients had severe ulcerative cystitis. Biopsies in 4 patients revealed epithelial denudation and inflammation with a mild eosinophilic infiltrate. Cessation of ketamine use, with the addition of pentosan polysulfate, appeared to provide some symptomatic relief."

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33986

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« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2009, 11:46:12 »

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

Spent the last week or so researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...

The people with bladder problemns are those people banging gram after gram of the stuff every week. I reckon the odd half/gram once in a while isn't gonna make your insides fall out.
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« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2009, 12:05:12 »

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)
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« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2009, 12:09:24 »

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

Spent the last week or so researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...

The people with bladder problemns are those people banging gram after gram of the stuff every week. I reckon the odd half/gram once in a while isn't gonna make your insides fall out.

I suppose you could be right. Its worth knowing and researching as I was pretty deep into it a year or so ago. Wont be doing those horiffic lines anymore.
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« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2009, 12:12:19 »

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

More blood in the toilet though.
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« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2009, 12:12:46 »

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

Spent the last week or so researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...

The people with bladder problemns are those people banging gram after gram of the stuff every week. I reckon the odd half/gram once in a while isn't gonna make your insides fall out.

I suppose you could be right. Its worth knowing and researching as I was pretty deep into a year or so ago. Wont be doing those horiffic lines anymore.


That's it though, you get into the slightest habit, and it builds up pretty quickly. You've gone from bumps to poodles legs within a week or two, then you're not sure when you'll be a bit woobly or in a massive hole.

It's a drug that's too easy to get into IMO, although it's all good once in a while.
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« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2009, 12:14:36 »

Fat lines of wonk? Puke

If I got to the point where a bump didn't affect me, I'd be worried.
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« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2009, 12:17:41 »

Ive done a fair bit of ket in my time. After hearing about all this bladder wrecking shit im trying to cut down or hopefully stop completely.
What are symptoms of having a ruined bladder? (Other than pissing yourself of course)

Spent the last week or so researching the side of effects of ket. Looks like a hell of a lot of people are suffering bladder problems due to the abuse of the special K.
Oh dear...

The people with bladder problemns are those people banging gram after gram of the stuff every week. I reckon the odd half/gram once in a while isn't gonna make your insides fall out.

I suppose you could be right. Its worth knowing and researching as I was pretty deep into a year or so ago. Wont be doing those horiffic lines anymore.


That's it though, you get into the slightest habit, and it builds up pretty quickly. You've gone from bumps to poodles legs within a week or two, then you're not sure when you'll be a bit woobly or in a massive hole.

It's a drug that's too easy to get into IMO, although it's all good once in a while.

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« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2009, 13:09:45 »

Fat lines of wonk? Puke

If I got to the point where a bump didn't affect me, I'd be worried.

 Huh I only once owned a gram, it lasted me about two months and then I gave the remainer away at Glade to a girl who was looking for some for breakfast  Smashed when I gave her the remainder of this cursed wrap, she exclaimed 'wow, nearly half a gram here'. I'd been tucking into it for weeks, and barely dented it. How people get through grams of the stuff, I'll never know.
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« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2009, 13:32:36 »

HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.
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« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2009, 13:36:36 »

HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

Listen to this man. He's a fiend and knows what he's talking about.
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HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

Listen to this man. He's a fiend and knows what he's talking about.

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« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2009, 14:13:01 »

HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

Listen to this man. He's a fiend and knows what he's talking about.

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That too.
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HIJACK IN USING DRUGS TO EXCESS IS HARMFUL SHOCKER

It's just the same as any other recreational drug. In moderation it's fine and will probably be most enjoyable. Taking it every day will have serious side effects. It's not a fucking revelation.

Listen to this man. He's a fiend and knows what he's talking about.

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That too.

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« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2009, 14:34:20 »

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« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2009, 14:44:44 »

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Guess it depends who is wonky!  Screwing some half dead wonked up mess of a girl aint fun IMO
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« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2009, 15:01:28 »

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« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2009, 15:03:25 »

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Guess it depends who is wonky!  Screwing some half dead wonked up mess of a girl aint fun IMO

To be fair, consciousness is pretty high up on the list of qualities I look for in sexual partners.
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« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2009, 15:14:59 »

Watching all the munters falling into peoples tents at Re-cydrate the west was enough to put me off, people on Ket never look like they're having a good time, I dont get the point. Undecided
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« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2009, 15:22:46 »

Watching all the munters falling into peoples tents at Re-cydrate the west was enough to put me off, people on Ket never look like they're having a good time, I dont get the point. Undecided

People sat there monging after smoking bong after bong don't look like they're having fun. Doesn't mean they're not.

That stage though, with anything, is when you've done too much! I wouldn't chose to do so much Ket i was falling over.
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« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2009, 17:19:37 »

Watching all the munters falling into peoples tents at Re-cydrate the west was enough to put me off, people on Ket never look like they're having a good time, I dont get the point. Undecided

To be fair i imagine that had a lot to do with the unholy amounts of cider consumed by said munters as much as it did the wonky...
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« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2009, 22:13:55 »

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« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2009, 22:42:29 »

It's taken a while, seeing as it's been around since the early 90's as a party drug (poss even earlier), and now of course there seems to be a mass hysteria with ketamine, as with all drugs that first appears in the public eye (which suggests it's useage being quite popular). Also because Bristol (especially) reached a critical mass over the last 12 months where lot's of people are starting to present the urinary problematic symptoms we all read about.

It's always wise to know the facts about what the long term affects/ damage for any substance can be, and it seems that the bladder thing with heavy consumption of K is becoming extremely common, especially with chronic users. (chronic being at least a gram of consumption on a daily basis, the tolerance of which gets higher and higher).
 
As a party drug now and again, there's very little chance of it causing major damage. Those who are unable to do the moderation thing are better off staying away from it completely tbh.

on another note, surely K damages your sex life to no end? or do people just settle for lazy sex with lazy positions? (same question asked to the weed smokers out there!)
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« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2009, 01:14:04 »

When I used to do ketamine I would always get this wierd sensation that I had wet myself lol, I'm not suprise about bladder side affects  Laugh
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« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2009, 05:53:18 »

in terms of articles saying it costs 20 quid then they wouldnt be wrong in some places. and iv heard from a mate that it costs up to 35 in other places.



yeah when i've seen other drugs surveys bristol is normally the cheapest or one of the cheapest for drugs, they probably averaged it out.
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« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2009, 06:01:40 »

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....
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« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2009, 08:34:18 »

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

oh im fine then, i love murder    Bad Teeth

these two factors have always bothered me alot about coke, unfortunately not enough to stop doing it entirely, but it does put me off buying it in 99.999% of opportunites. that and its just not a very fun drug!


i still cant believe people get through a gram of k a day though, thats fucking mental, a bump is fun, a gram surely isnt?

oh and...
on another note, surely K damages your sex life to no end? or do people just settle for lazy sex with lazy positions? (same question asked to the weed smokers out there!)

stoned sex seems to be less varied, exciting and energetic than sobre sex in my experience! thankyou very much  Grin
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« Reply #94 on: January 30, 2009, 08:56:25 »

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

oh im fine then, i love murder    Bad Teeth

these two factors have always bothered me alot about coke, unfortunately not enough to stop doing it entirely, but it does put me off buying it in 99.999% of opportunites. that and its just not a very fun drug!


i still cant believe people get through a gram of k a day though, thats fucking mental, a bump is fun, a gram surely isnt?

oh and...

When I was bang into ket I was doing about a half gram a day. I thought that was a fair bit.
But to be doing a gram or more day in day out takes some serious work!

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« Reply #95 on: January 30, 2009, 09:57:27 »

I am an absolutely hopelessly addicted weed smoker but why anyone would want to take ketamine every day is beyond me Smashed
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« Reply #96 on: January 30, 2009, 10:04:17 »

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

True, however by that logic, we shouldn't pay taxes either if you think how much of the government's money goes towards war and the military.
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« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2009, 10:09:42 »

I am an absolutely hopelessly addicted weed smoker but why anyone would want to take ketamine every day is beyond me Smashed

You could say that about anybody's addiction. I have no idea why anyone would want to smoke weed every day or drink everyday, but then again I smoke cigerettes and drink copious amounts of tea...* so I guess we all have different vices.


Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke!  I'M SO ANGRY! I'M SO ANGRY! I'M SO ANGRY!


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« Reply #98 on: January 30, 2009, 11:03:10 »

less blood on your hands from ketamine than cocaine...
(though probably more snot)

true i think there was something like 10,000 cocaine related murders last year in columbia, if there's a million coke users in the u.k 1 murder per 100 hundred users. so next time you snort coke your semi-responsible for a 100th of a murder. also i saw on tv rainforest the size of wales has been cleared to grow it, so if your green or don't like murder.....

True, however by that logic, we shouldn't pay taxes either if you think how much of the government's money goes towards war and the military.

You could look at it that way I suppose. The world is a fucked up place full stop & all that...

But plenty of people who complain about the war, state of the world, etc... & like to think of themselves as taking the moral high ground or take pride in remove themselves from mainstream society still hoof loads of coke like its going out of fashion. When, chances are, that someone somewhere has been seriously fucked over (or worse) in the supply chain that brings it to them.

I just think that there needs to be a wider acceptance that the damage that certain drugs have on certain countires/peoples/etc.. Particularly by those who consider themselves active against such injustices elsewhere.
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« Reply #99 on: January 30, 2009, 11:23:45 »

Having a tea crisis, Ofsted visited the school today and have issued a rule as part of health and safty that we're not allowed to drink hot drinks anymore as carrying them from the kitchen to our offices/classrooms is a safty hazard. Petty, shitty beurocratic pig wankers. I can cope with six hours with no fags, but 6 hours with no tea is a fucking joke!  I'M SO ANGRY! I'M SO ANGRY! I'M SO ANGRY!

Put a kettle in your office.
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