Ketamine tops cocaine as new drug of choice

[DreadStar]

Government advisory panel ranks class C drug as more harmful than Ecstasy

By Mark Hughes, Crime Correspondent
Thursday, 15 January 2009
Ketamine - once the drug of choice for ravers - is now in widespread use

The horse tranquilliser ketamine is increasingly replacing cocaine as the substance of choice among Britain's recreational drug users, according to charities and experts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ketamine-tops-cocaine-as-new-drug-of-choice-1366714.html

[able]

Government advisory panel ranks class C drug as more harmful than Ecstasy

Then why do they 'rank' them as class C and class A then?  Stupid outdated system.

[DreadStar]

Government advisory panel ranks class C drug as more harmful than Ecstasy

Then why do they 'rank' them as class C and class A then?  Stupid outdated system.

Innit maybe one day our government wil actually give a shit about us and give us the harm system and scrap the class system!  Harm reduction has been calling on it for years and I know it would help.

[The Lady Nonny Wrongford]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

[pno]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

[The Lady Nonny Wrongford]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

I don't know what you're talking about. Everytime I'm around a K-Head their sheer energy infects me... it makes me want to run around and hear some colours, man.

[thedave]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

I don't know what you're talking about. Everytime I'm around a K-Head their sheer energy infects me... it makes me want to run around and hear some colours, man.

I heard that if you do enough you can smell time and taste parenthood, one boy reported actually grieving an entire fried breakfast
powerful stuff

[The Lady Nonny Wrongford]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

I don't know what you're talking about. Everytime I'm around a K-Head their sheer energy infects me... it makes me want to run around and hear some colours, man.

I heard that if you do enough you can smell time and taste parenthood, one boy reported actually grieving an entire fried breakfast
powerful stuff

This happened to me... it was amazing... like a life changing experience.

[Kraymon]

no hearing colours from my experience of people on it, just general madness, people talking, but not really to each other, followed by everyone coming round and wondering why the wrap is all over the floor ?!

[able]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

[The Lady Nonny Wrongford]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

[able]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

[Kirkio]

There's another (slightly inaccurate) article about it here too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

£20 a G?

Now I haven't bought K for about 5 years, but I'm pretty sure it was like a tenner then and I thought it was about the same now?

:edit:

Sorry Nonny - didn't notice you had already linked it.

[The Lady Nonny Wrongford]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

For what? Missing out on what I can only describe as the most amazing drug based story to ever grace my eyes? I don't feel Lady K had much to do with this situation.

[Pippin-Drill]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

At low doses the user may feel euphoric, experience waves of energy, and possibly synaesthesia - sensations such as seeing sounds or hearing colours.

 

shouldn't that be "waves of dribbling" ?

I don't know what you're talking about. Everytime I'm around a K-Head their sheer energy infects me... it makes me want to run around and hear some colours, man.

I heard that if you do enough you can smell time and taste parenthood, one boy reported actually grieving an entire fried breakfast
powerful stuff

This happened to me... it was amazing... like a life changing experience.

Some paradigms chased me into Whalo's bathroom once, and my fingers turned Japanese. My brief affair with the stuff is long over. The nastiest side effect for me was that I could constantly feel my contact lenses in my eyes (very annoying) and I always felt very uncomfortable in my skin... I was very aware of bones, covered in layers of fat and tissue, covered in thin skin, it made me feel fragile. Not nice.

[The Lady Nonny Wrongford]

Sorry Nonny - didn't notice you had already linked it.

Too much seeing sounds, hearing colours, smelling time etc to notice the little things, eh?

[able]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

For what? Missing out on what I can only describe as the most amazing drug based story to ever grace my eyes? I don't feel Lady K had much to do with this situation.

Sorry, I missed out an 'I' there. I thank it every single day.

[฿ass Honeys]

There's another (slightly inaccurate) article about it here too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7829918.stm

£20 a G?

Now I haven't bought K for about 5 years, but I'm pretty sure it was like a tenner then and I thought it was about the same now?

:edit:

Sorry Nonny - didn't notice you had already linked it.

I've always been quoted £7-£10... Clearly the "investigators" for the report are getting ripped off.. Most likely because they dont look like they know what theyre doing

[The Lady Nonny Wrongford]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

For what? Missing out on what I can only describe as the most amazing drug based story to ever grace my eyes? I don't feel Lady K had much to do with this situation.

Sorry, I missed out an 'I' there. I thank it every single day.

Does God know about this, I'm sure there's something in the Bible about worshiping false idols. I'd be careful if I were you, mate.

[฿ass Honeys]

Some paradigms chased me into Whalo's bathroom once, and my fingers turned Japanese. My brief affair with the stuff is long over. The nastiest side effect for me was that I could constantly feel my contact lenses in my eyes (very annoying) and I always felt very uncomfortable in my skin... I was very aware of bones, covered in layers of fat and tissue, covered in thin skin, it made me feel fragile. Not nice.

Whats Paradigms?

I get moments with Rachel where we can play hand games for ages! Our hands will turn into mini people and have tickle wars with each other! Its great

[ollspin]

pissing in a bag is obviously much more glamorous than your nose falling off

[able]

Some friends and Iwere once all convinced that Errol Douglas from Hot Chocolate was on TV. It turned out it wasn't him. Good times.

This sounds amazing. I only wish I could've been there.

Just thank K! 

For what? Missing out on what I can only describe as the most amazing drug based story to ever grace my eyes? I don't feel Lady K had much to do with this situation.

Sorry, I missed out an 'I' there. I thank it every single day.

Does God know about this, I'm sure there's something in the Bible about worshiping false idols. I'd be careful if I were you, mate.

God told me to do it. I only smelt him telling me after I'd done it, but I think that's still ok.

[pno]

christ, they're all jumping on the bandwagon today...

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/Research-reveals-Bristol-increase-ketamine-use/article-616088-detail/article.html

[haslam_t]

"Anyone who takes this drug is reminded that it is an anaesthetic for animals and therefore totally unsuitable for human use. Therefore they are warned of the great dangers of using this substance."

not that it was invented for human use then eh? 

[able]

Just opened the Evening post at work to pull out all the business stories, and on page two is the headline "Fears as clubbers turn to horse drug" 

Where do they get their facts from? Has enyone ever heard of K being called Katie?

[Good Bacteria]

lol @ the general ignorance of these newspaper articles.

I know it's been growing in popularity but I don't really see why. It's just not a club drug in my eyes. I want to feel more connected to people and have more energy, not disconnected and tranquilised.

I can't really see it replacing coke or mdma as it's just not a replacement. I have no problem with people doing whatever drugs they like but I just can't see the appeal of it in a club other than tiny little bumps to add a trippy edge to things.

Maybe I'm just too inexperienced with it though.

[Night Wold feat. Maxi Priest]

I know it's been growing in popularity but I don't really see why.

well if people stopped selling shit coke im sure k would get four gotten about PDQ.

[Kirkio]

lol @ the general ignorance of these newspaper articles.

Init.

You would have thought that at least they'd be able to just ask some kids or summat.

For example - Every single one of them seems to have quoted £20 a gram - they're obviously all just farming their info from each other's articles! 

[basserize]

K heads are a fucking nightmare. They fall into everything, break stuff, dont move out of the way of incoming traffic, slober over bouncers which just infuriates them and generally FAIL at any level of dignity. And just look at you in confusion when you ask them to do anything, especially whipe their face. Looking like a brain-dead dribbling zombie with your mouth wide open and a crusty white polo is not a good look. Go home.

[basserize]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

[Spit]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

[Good Bacteria]

I know it's been growing in popularity but I don't really see why.

well if people stopped selling shit coke im sure k would get four gotten about PDQ.

Well my point is, for example. If I can't get any mdma I'm not likely to try and find some ketamine instead. It's just not the effect I'm after for a club atmosphere and I would have thought a lot of people felt the same way, but apparently not.

The cheapness and general purity are good points but my aim isn't to get fucked for as cheaply as possible, it's about maximising my enjoyment of the night and K just doesn't do it for me.

[basserize]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

  That even sounds more fun.... do you wana get wonky or wet? no contest! 

Im not going to advocate any drug use though, especially on a publically viewable internet forum - ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. But debilitating drugs which leave you more vunerable are especially bad - especially to girls. I know two girls who were sexually 'taken advantage of' or raped to be more accurate, whilst they were too K'd up to do anything about it. And they were'nt spiked -they got themselves in that state, which is very easy to do with k as the strengths vary so much and its difficult to quantify what your doing in a club. Two very seperate occasions and both girls can remember the whole thing too which is traumatic to say the least.

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

[tko]

Its all about the K induced colostomy bag - a big look in 2009.

Fucking idiots.

[Spit]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

  That even sounds more fun.... do you wana get wonky or wet? no contest! 

Im not going to advocate any drug use though, especially on a publically viewable internet forum - ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. But debilitating drugs which leave you more vunerable are especially bad - especially to girls. I know two girls who were sexually 'taken advantage of' or raped to be more accurate, whilst they were too K'd up to do anything about it. And they were'nt spiked -they got themselves in that state, which is very easy to do with k as the strengths vary so much and its difficult to quantify what your doing in a club. Two very seperate occasions and both girls can remember the whole thing too which is traumatic to say the least.

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

Very well said. The British have a national mental block over the difference between getting high, and simply getting fucked up- I think that K is quite symbolic of this.

[saratronic]

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

[billy disney]

k=no thanks

[alex fata]

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I hate to be the one to say this, i don't even like it very much, but are the health risks really any worse than with excessive use of any other hard drug?
obviously its not good for you, but i can't help thinking that there wouldn't be this knee-jerk reaction on a forum (where, lets be honest, most of us are fairly regular drug users of some sort) about any other drug that has been around longer and we're more used to. I mean, the only thing i can think of that makes K worse than coke, speed, mdma, pills, acid is peoples tendancy to over do it, and thats mainly because its so strong its easy to just do a tiny bump and still get really fucked by accident.
Except those people that really love getting into a K hole, but then if they weren't that way with K they'd probably be way over doing it with some other drug. Or is it just because its a new craze with 'the kids' that its pissing you off?
i do acknowledge though that too many people think K is harmless and therefore do more than they would otherwise, but i think the general cleanliness of it is a big advantage, i mean think of all the crap thats added to coke and pills, at least K is pharmaceutical grade.

im sure i'll get loads of abuse for this, and as i said, i don't really like k that much (certainly not compared to some!) but i just thought someone aught to bring the other side of the debate!

[pno]

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I hate to be the one to say this, i don't even like it very much, but are the health risks really any worse than with excessive use of any other hard drug?
obviously its not good for you, but i can't help thinking that there wouldn't be this knee-jerk reaction on a forum (where, lets be honest, most of us are fairly regular drug users of some sort) about any other drug that has been around longer and we're more used to. I mean, the only thing i can think of that makes K worse than coke, speed, mdma, pills, acid is peoples tendancy to over do it, and thats mainly because its so strong its easy to just do a tiny bump and still get really fucked by accident.
Except those people that really love getting into a K hole, but then if they weren't that way with K they'd probably be way over doing it with some other drug. Or is it just because its a new craze with 'the kids' that its pissing you off?
i do acknowledge though that too many people think K is harmless and therefore do more than they would otherwise, but i think the general cleanliness of it is a big advantage, i mean think of all the crap thats added to coke and pills, at least K is pharmaceutical grade.

im sure i'll get loads of abuse for this, and as i said, i don't really like k that much (certainly not compared to some!) but i just thought someone aught to bring the other side of the debate!

I think you've raised a valid point.

[Dan Moody]

What I meant was that I am concerned with children taking a drug that is hallucinogenic and with unknown long term effects. I feel the same about acid and mushrooms. When you are young you should be appreciating all the exciting new, drug free experiences life has to offer, especially whilst your brain is still developing. If you decide when you are an adult that you wish to indulge, that is your adult decision. K holes are like Pandora's box and even to a well balanced, happy child, the adventure a K hole can offer may be too much to resist and has led to a lot of very young kids spending too much time in this "other dimension" rather than developing themselves as positive happy individuals in this reality.

With repsect to how "clean" K is, even if your gram has not been cut (how do you know your K has not been cut unless u have cooked it up yourself?), even as 100% pure, it is a chemical who's activity in the brain and detrimental effects on the body are not still fully understood. Espcially the long term effects.

All drugs have side effects on your health, and I am not ranking K higher or lower on the risk scale than any other drug, I just wish people wouldnt sell it to impressionable children.

I was refering to children taking it, not adults adn it does not "piss me off" , it makes me worried and concerned at the state they are getting themselves into.

[Dan Moody]

Shit - sorry Dan, just realised I have written all that in your log in - this was me saratronic not Dan! sorry mate!

What I meant was that I am concerned with children taking a drug that is hallucinogenic and with unknown long term effects. I feel the same about acid and mushrooms. When you are young you should be appreciating all the exciting new, drug free experiences life has to offer, especially whilst your brain is still developing. If you decide when you are an adult that you wish to indulge, that is your adult decision. K holes are like Pandora's box and even to a well balanced, happy child, the adventure a K hole can offer may be too much to resist and has led to a lot of very young kids spending too much time in this "other dimension" rather than developing themselves as positive happy individuals in this reality.

With repsect to how "clean" K is, even if your gram has not been cut (how do you know your K has not been cut unless u have cooked it up yourself?), even as 100% pure, it is a chemical who's activity in the brain and detrimental effects on the body are not still fully understood. Espcially the long term effects.

All drugs have side effects on your health, and I am not ranking K higher or lower on the risk scale than any other drug, I just wish people wouldnt sell it to impressionable children.

I was refering to children taking it, not adults adn it does not "piss me off" , it makes me worried and concerned at the state they are getting themselves into.

[Bobby Basic]

I heard that if you do enough you can smell time and taste parenthood, one boy reported actually grieving an entire fried breakfast
powerful stuff

 

[Kirkio]

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

Its a good state of affairs for the good old fashioned club "Wallet Inspector" though init. 

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I got properly harrassed by 2 kids outside Dojo last Friday when I was flyering.
They had been refused entry (for being only 17) and were absolutely slavvering for some Ket and couldn't believe that I didn't have any. They just wouldn't drop it and one of them even had the cheek to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about (when I said personally I thought he'd be better off getting some MD or Pills on the go if he was looking for a good night) and that he had been taking it for 3 years because "I've tried all the other drugs and they just don't give me that same buzz!..."   

[theSultan]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

  That even sounds more fun.... do you wana get wonky or wet? no contest! 

Im not going to advocate any drug use though, especially on a publically viewable internet forum - ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. But debilitating drugs which leave you more vunerable are especially bad - especially to girls. I know two girls who were sexually 'taken advantage of' or raped to be more accurate, whilst they were too K'd up to do anything about it. And they were'nt spiked -they got themselves in that state, which is very easy to do with k as the strengths vary so much and its difficult to quantify what your doing in a club. Two very seperate occasions and both girls can remember the whole thing too which is traumatic to say the least.

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

Its a good state of affairs for the good old fashioned club "Wallet Inspector" though init. 

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I got properly harrassed by 2 kids outside Dojo last Friday when I was flyering.
They had been refused entry (for being only 17) and were absolutely slavvering for some Ket and couldn't believe that I didn't have any. They just wouldn't drop it and one of them even had the cheek to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about (when I said personally I thought he'd be better off getting some MD or Pills on the go if he was looking for a good night) and that he had been taking it for 3 years because "I've tried all the other drugs and they just don't give me that same buzz!..."   

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.

now, people are always on the look out for something more and more stimulating because we've become so desensified (sp). i think this is what turns us to drugs in the 1st place. really, we should in theory be content as being sober humans. but were always on the search of trying to "get more" our of our lives through crazy means (eg jumping off cliffs and taking horse tranquillisers)

 

[able]

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I hate to be the one to say this, i don't even like it very much, but are the health risks really any worse than with excessive use of any other hard drug?
obviously its not good for you, but i can't help thinking that there wouldn't be this knee-jerk reaction on a forum (where, lets be honest, most of us are fairly regular drug users of some sort) about any other drug that has been around longer and we're more used to. I mean, the only thing i can think of that makes K worse than coke, speed, mdma, pills, acid is peoples tendancy to over do it, and thats mainly because its so strong its easy to just do a tiny bump and still get really fucked by accident.
Except those people that really love getting into a K hole, but then if they weren't that way with K they'd probably be way over doing it with some other drug. Or is it just because its a new craze with 'the kids' that its pissing you off?
i do acknowledge though that too many people think K is harmless and therefore do more than they would otherwise, but i think the general cleanliness of it is a big advantage, i mean think of all the crap thats added to coke and pills, at least K is pharmaceutical grade.

im sure i'll get loads of abuse for this, and as i said, i don't really like k that much (certainly not compared to some!) but i just thought someone aught to bring the other side of the debate!

Agreed. K is fine in moderation like anything else. It's also really cheap and strong so moderation doesn't happen most of the time, and like Spit said, we British seem to like getting fucked up. Any drug is bad if your getting to the point where it's physically damaging you or making you act like a cunt. Most drugs have been around long enough for people to know their limits though.

[Syntax Error]

K is a bit of a waste drug in my opinion. To be fair, I've only done it once, on the way to Shit the Bed. Ended up with me completely off my face trying to get in on the guestlist when I hadn't been put on it (was supposed to be though). But my mates who take it more often don't really seem to enjoy it that much, it's more of a "let's get absolutely wasted and spend all week regretting it until next Saturday" type of affair. Which is something I rarely do, and never really enjoy.

The British have a national mental block over the difference between getting high, and simply getting fucked up- I think that K is quite symbolic of this.

Exactly. Getting high is understandable. But that's not what K does to you (or at least not to me).

[Night Wold feat. Maxi Priest]

Ended up with me completely off my face trying to get in on the guestlist when I hadn't been put on it (was supposed to be though).

thats some crazy shit right there bro 

[Syntax Error]

Ended up with me completely off my face trying to get in on the guestlist when I hadn't been put on it (was supposed to be though).

thats some crazy shit right there bro 

The crazy part was that I was completely off my face, and thought I was on some kind of mission to ensure world peace and was infiltrating some kind of military bunker. I think I may have overdone it.

[Pippin-Drill]

And.....

"K-cramps" means you probably have irrepairable bladder damage. Go ride that bandwagon all the way to the colostomy queue.

Im sorry but can we have the next drug craze please? this one sucks.

Want to get Wet instead, Poppy? 

  That even sounds more fun.... do you wana get wonky or wet? no contest! 

Im not going to advocate any drug use though, especially on a publically viewable internet forum - ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. But debilitating drugs which leave you more vunerable are especially bad - especially to girls. I know two girls who were sexually 'taken advantage of' or raped to be more accurate, whilst they were too K'd up to do anything about it. And they were'nt spiked -they got themselves in that state, which is very easy to do with k as the strengths vary so much and its difficult to quantify what your doing in a club. Two very seperate occasions and both girls can remember the whole thing too which is traumatic to say the least.

Whatever happened to being in a safe environment to experiment? Clubs and public events are not the place. Plus if anything happens to you when your fucked the venue owner/event organisers will face an inquest, charges and fines as well as loosing their license, the stress of which will seriously affect their life. Thanks.

I guess the especially worrying thing about K is the amount of young clubbers on it, who dont seem to have the sense to go home, or perhaps the ability. Groups of 17 year olds totally unable to walk. Its a new level of bad.
 

Its a good state of affairs for the good old fashioned club "Wallet Inspector" though init. 

I agree with all you've said Poppy. K is really not worth the health risks. I worry about the number of school age kids that I hear about through work that are taking it regularly at weekends as if it were as harmless as getting a bit pissed or smoking a spliff. It is a dirty chemical with horrendous effects on the body that are only currently being discovered.

It is having permanent negative health effects on people that have only been taking it for a couple of years or less. Not only does it have bad physiological effects, but it has also been proven to induce temporary and reoccuring delusional schizophrenia. KIDS STOP TAKING IT!

I got properly harrassed by 2 kids outside Dojo last Friday when I was flyering.
They had been refused entry (for being only 17) and were absolutely slavvering for some Ket and couldn't believe that I didn't have any. They just wouldn't drop it and one of them even had the cheek to tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about (when I said personally I thought he'd be better off getting some MD or Pills on the go if he was looking for a good night) and that he had been taking it for 3 years because "I've tried all the other drugs and they just don't give me that same buzz!..."   

see this (and that maddest thing of the year thread) is what humans are becoming. 200 years ago people would get the biggest buzz from going to a barn dance, painting a portrait other things like that.

now, people are always on the look out for something more and more stimulating because we've become so desensified (sp). i think this is what turns us to drugs in the 1st place. really, we should in theory be content as being sober humans. but were always on the search of trying to "get more" our of our lives through crazy means (eg jumping off cliffs and taking horse tranquillisers)

 

200 years ago everyone was off their choppers on opium and gin.

[B'Tol]

They were off their heads on opium and Gin because they weren't prohibited.

K is gay.

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