INTERN Required at bristol based music company

[genee_rave]

WANT A  FOOT IN THE DOOR OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY? KNOW YOUR BEBOs from YOUR
IMEEMs?

INTERN Required at Bristol based music company.

The Hope Music Group is a group consisting of Record Labels, Artist
Management and Music Publishing.
We are looking for an enthusiastic, organised and web-savvy person to work
in our busy office as an assistant. You ideally need a good knowledge of
electronic music, as well as other genres.
You will be aiding the web strategy of our artists’ online presence, and
will be aware of the best places on the internet to discover music.

Would suit a recent graduate or bright individual looking for a
foot into the music industry.

This is initially a 6 month position which could turn into something
permanent for the right person. 3 months unpaid work experience / 3 months
at £500 pcm.

www.hopemanagement.co.uk
www.fourtwentyrecordings.com
www.marineparade.net
www.hoperecordings.com

Please PM if interested.

[Uncle Basic]

Do you have to sleep with Stu Wilkinson as well?

[zenzic]

£500 pcm.

Unless your working days are less than 5 hours long, isn't this significantly less than the minimum wage?

[Evs]

£500 pcm.

Unless your working days are less than 5 hours long, isn't this significantly less than the minimum wage?

How much do you want for making fucking cups of tea?

[Cabalist]

£500 pcm.

Unless your working days are less than 5 hours long, isn't this significantly less than the minimum wage?

Interns don't necessarily get paid all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern

[Trufflehunter]

i would be very interested if i could afford to only be paid 500  a month.

[snowball]

£500 a month is like 4 hours a day on minimum wage.

You will be aiding the web strategy of our artists’ online presence

So I guess browse Hijack all fucking day eh

will be aware of the best places on the internet to discover music.

And rinse soulseek/ torrent/ listening to new bands on mySpack.

I would happily spend 4 hours a day whoring on hijack and rinsing soulseek all day whilst making tea or coffee for my said work colleagues.

 

[Night Wold feat. Maxi Priest]

I wish I had thought of this thread. its a classic.

[tko]

Jesus fuck that is just slavery - £1500 for 6 months work

I will pay £501 pound a month for someone to act as my pet monkey. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

[Tropical Hotdog]

Interns are lucky to be paid at all.
I know of someone who worked for an advertising company for a year. Just to get in the door!

[tko]

Interns are lucky to be paid at all.
I know of someone who worked for an advertising company for a year. Just to get in the door!

Are they interested in the pet monkey post? I could definitely improve on nothing.

Seriously though, how can one survive on nothing?

[genee_rave]

Unfortunately working in music is so competitive that no-one is willing to employ someone unexperienced. I started out as an intern and now work full time doing a very fun job. I paid the bills by working in a bar... it's not for everyone!

Oh and yes, you do have to sleep with Stu Wilkinson... I haven't told him yet though 

[general butt naked]

Interns are lucky to be paid at all.
I know of someone who worked for an advertising company for a year. Just to get in the door!

afaik the bbc have the same policy

[thedave]

yeah it's great, it keeps the scrubbers out, maintains a certain standard don't you know.
Think about it, there's no way some smelly working class oik could afford to give up a years normal living wage to break into a decent job
Tara Para Wara McSnottyknickers however has a gold card that daddy pays for and a pair of uggs filled with cocaine next to the bed so she's always bright eyed and ready for work

[nevermind]

So it's not the best pay? Standard. I'd imagine anyone who's seriously interested in a career in the music industry would jump at the chance to get paid anything at all while gaining the experience you need.

Anyone who's tried getting a career in a highly competitive industry will know you need to work for nothing to get your foot in the door. Sounds like a good opportunity to me. 

[Sabrinal]

Interns are lucky to be paid at all.
I know of someone who worked for an advertising company for a year. Just to get in the door!

I've just had an intern that I've been managing and she worked for 4 months, full time for free. You have to be really lucky to be able to afford to do that, or your parents more than likely. I know straight after Uni I had to get a job, but some sectors are really hard to get into that you might not have much choice.

[Evs]

Still sounds like exploitation to me. Whatever happened to short term probation?

[Soash]

So it's not the best pay? Standard. I'd imagine anyone who's seriously interested in a career in the music industry would jump at the chance to get paid anything at all while gaining the experience you need.

Anyone who's tried getting a career in a highly competitive industry will know you need to work for nothing to get your foot in the door. Sounds like a good opportunity to me. 

Lets not kid yourselves. What experience? Posting spam on the internet?

1500/6 = 250 Per Month

250/4 = 62.50 per week

62.50/37.5 = £1.66 per hour based on a 37.5 hour working week.

word, where do I sign up? 

[Dan Alive!]

This shit should be outlawed. Expecting motherfuckers to spend 20 grand in debt on a degree then work FOR FREE?! Fucking jokers. I'll be glad the day the last major tumbles from being such a prick-worthy organisation and takes every last blood-sucking middle-man to have ever graced the music scene with it.

[nevermind]

Lets not kid yourselves. What experience? Posting spam on the internet?

1500/6 = 250 Per Month

250/4 = 62.50 per week

62.50/37.5 = £1.66 per hour based on a 37.5 hour working week.

word, where do I sign up? 

So it's not the best pay? Standard.

Regardless of what you're doing, it shows dedication and might lead to a paid job afterwards. It's not ideal but that's just the way it is when every company in the music industry has people battering down their door trying to work for free.

[Soash]

Lets not kid yourselves. What experience? Posting spam on the internet?

1500/6 = 250 Per Month

250/4 = 62.50 per week

62.50/37.5 = £1.66 per hour based on a 37.5 hour working week.

word, where do I sign up? 

So it's not the best pay? Standard.

Regardless of what you're doing, it shows dedication and might lead to a paid job afterwards. It's not ideal but that's just the way it is when every company in the music industry has people battering down their door trying to work for free.

Might, being the operative word, it might not. Then you would have spent the last 6 months working for a 1/3 of McDonalds Crew members wage.

FUCKING IMMORAL IMO.   

[Square One]

Unfortunately working in music is so competitive that no-one is willing to employ someone unexperienced.

That's a bit of a generalisation, I think.

And surely if you find someone who you think shows promise and may become an asset to your company, it's worth showing them that you are willing to invest in them too?

I understand that most people have to work for pennies when starting out in the industry (I've been there) but £1,500 for 6-month's work is pretty low by any standards.

Is it full time?

[tko]

I know a Chinese 8 year old girl who may be interested in this - will pass on the details 

[thedave]

So it's not the best pay? Standard. I'd imagine anyone who's seriously interested in a career in the music industry would jump at the chance to get paid anything at all while gaining the experience you need.

Anyone who's tried getting a career in a highly competitive industry will know you need to work for nothing to get your foot in the door. Sounds like a good opportunity to me. 

Lets not kid yourselves. What experience? Posting spam on the internet?

1500/6 = 250 Per Month

250/4 = 62.50 per week

62.50/37.5 = £1.66 per hour based on a 37.5 hour working week.

word, where do I sign up? 

No, soash, didn't you hear? You can subsidise it with bar work
so lets say a basic living wage is around a grand a month, so you need an extra £750
you should do that easily on an extra 25 - 30 hours a week on top of working a full time job if you can find a cash in hand position
if not you simply work 2 full time jobs

[Tekton]

Unfortunately working in music is so competitive that no-one is willing to employ someone unexperienced.

Is it full time?

yes 10-6 mon to fri... 

[Evs]

Fuck that shit.

[Soash]

So it's not the best pay? Standard. I'd imagine anyone who's seriously interested in a career in the music industry would jump at the chance to get paid anything at all while gaining the experience you need.

Anyone who's tried getting a career in a highly competitive industry will know you need to work for nothing to get your foot in the door. Sounds like a good opportunity to me. 

Lets not kid yourselves. What experience? Posting spam on the internet?

1500/6 = 250 Per Month

250/4 = 62.50 per week

62.50/37.5 = £1.66 per hour based on a 37.5 hour working week.

word, where do I sign up? 

No, soash, didn't you hear? You can subsidise it with bar work
so lets say a basic living wage is around a grand a month, so you need an extra £750
you should do that easily on an extra 25 - 30 hours a week on top of working a full time job if you can find a cash in hand position
if not you simply work 2 full time jobs

 

***Awaits the, "It's about the love, not the money", gem ***

You'd be paid more if you stitched footballs for Umbro in Taiwan.

[snowball]

Regardless of what you're doing, it shows dedication and mightlead to a paid job afterwards. It's not ideal but that's just the way it is when every company in the music industry has people battering down their door trying to work for free.

so it's not even garaunteed?!

And an extra 20 - 30 hours part time work on top of a full time job would probably kill you, let alone kill any chance of a social life lol. not a chance 

[nevermind]

Regardless of what you're doing, it shows dedication and mightlead to a paid job afterwards. It's not ideal but that's just the way it is when every company in the music industry has people battering down their door trying to work for free.

so it's not even garaunteed?!

And an extra 20 - 30 hours part time work on top of a full time job would probably kill you, let alone kill any chance of a social life lol. not a chance 

Shit, you're right.





Don't you work in a cinema?

[Dan Alive!]

Lets not kid yourselves. What experience? Posting spam on the internet?

1500/6 = 250 Per Month

250/4 = 62.50 per week

62.50/37.5 = £1.66 per hour based on a 37.5 hour working week.

word, where do I sign up? 

So it's not the best pay? Standard.

Regardless of what you're doing, it shows dedication and might lead to a paid job afterwards. It's not ideal but that's just the way it is when every company in the music industry has people battering down their door trying to work for free.

People in this country are not allowed to choose to work for free. There's a minimum wage standard, and other schemes which are exempt from it such as modern apprenticeships make up the difference on paper by paying towards nationally recognised qualifications and training. Just because an industry is popular gives it no right to take advantage of the willingness of youth to be ripped off.... They promise more than they can deliver to young minds who are willing to believe the hype. If you've ever worked in the business side of music you'll know all too well that it isnt much different to working in any old office, except the core hours are 10 - 6 instead of 9 - 5.

[snowball]

Don't you work in a cinema?

edit: nah not anymore 

[B'Tol]

This is pretty shit, yet common place.

No wonder most of the folk in the music biz are trustifarian cunts who have mums who can bail them out when they work these kind of "internships"...

For people like myself, who have a genuine passion, who are involved in music on a daily basis, yet have poor olds and bills to pay, it leaves us fucked. Thing is, I could do that job with my eyes closed, and probably do the rest of the offices jobs too.

whatever happened to half decent training schemes and investing in some one? Fast buck!!

As far as the BBC goes, that is a myth - a girl I went to uni with has just picked up a nice little job there with no experience, having done no internship, and is getting quite a wedge for it.

[JONETHICS]

hijack, you are a right bunch of nobheads sometimes

 

[Dan Alive!]

hijack, you are a right bunch of nobheads sometimes

 

explain? I worked in London for £150 a week for a year, I speak on this with experience.... Internships are, 99% of the time, abuse of the employee. I watched people with no experience walk in the door and get straight into the main pool of assistant engineers just because their mum was a mate of a mate of someone; when all of the full time positions are filled like this there is little hope for an intern (or in my case placement student) to have an opening made available to them. As it was I was personally invited to assist on sessions by Steve Dub Jones (if you don't know, get to know) but was held back by my manager as he had a personal beef with me, despite everyone else in the organisation (including the studio owner, who was also Elton John's production manager and a very big cheese) thinking I was the dog's bollocks.... Where, in this situation, was paying me below minimum justified?

Sorry to make the argument personal, but to me it really is.... Internships of over 3 months without even a guarantee of proper consideration for a full time post are an abuse of the very fortunate situation the music industry is in with its romanticised perception amongst young people. When people work for you you pay them, and not with a promise that can be swept out from under their feet without so much as giving a valid reason.

[JONETHICS]

hijack, you are a right bunch of nobheads sometimes

 

explain? I worked in London for £150 a week for a year, I speak on this with experience.... Internships are, 99% of the time, abuse of the employee. I watched people with no experience walk in the door and get straight into the main pool of assistant engineers just because their mum was a mate of a mate of someone; when all of the full time positions are filled like this there is little hope for an intern (or in my case placement student) to have an opening made available to them. As it was I was personally invited to assist on sessions by Steve Dub Jones (if you don't know, get to know) but was held back by my manager as he had a personal beef with me, despite everyone else in the organisation (including the studio owner, who was also Elton John's production manager and a very big cheese) thinking I was the dog's bollocks.... Where, in this situation, was paying me below minimum justified?

Sorry to make the argument personal, but to me it really is.... Internships of over 3 months without even a guarantee of proper consideration for a full time post are an abuse of the very fortunate situation the music industry is in with its romanticised perception amongst young people. When people work for you you pay them, and not with a promise that can be swept out from under their feet without so much as giving a valid reason.

it's personal to me too bro...
end of the day that's the way these industries work. don't like it, do something else.
I worked my ass for 2 years so i could have the money to be able to work for free, because i knew that's what i needed to do.
It worked, I now have a job I love and enjoy.

I could have sat around bitching about it and bemoaning the unfairness of the world, but if i'd done that i'd still be a very bad recruitment consultant.

If I ever have a business in the music or media, I'd expect my interns to work for free too. It's just the way it is, and no amount of discussion about it on an internet forum is ever gonna change that.

[Dan Alive!]

And if I ever have a business in the music or media I wouldn't be afraid to change something seen as "the norm" because I vehemently disagree with it. 

Lets bear in mind that the entire industry is teetering on going belly up as they fought against change and the digital revolution.... Maybe being the same generation after generation isn't so positive.

[Cabalist]

I worked my ass for 2 years so i could have the money to be able to work for free, because i knew that's what i needed to do.

Work that ass, baby.   

[Bonita Applebum]

i did a work placement at a newspaper and i was paid nothing, i was living with my parents at the time and i did bar work so i just got by. the work placement was apart of my NVQ tho so i was studying on the job type thing.

its not everybody's thing, but as someone already said the industry is so competitive u have to do stuff like this just to get experience behind u.
when i left my last job it was ridiculous what cv's we were getting in for my position - people even stated in their CV they were happy to earn 10k a year! there are graduates who go for these type of jobs and in some ways it fucks things up for 'normal' people who apply for jobs and expect a half decent wage - they will always get out done by people who are willing to work for nothing, a lot of companies will take on less experienced people if it means saving on money... especially in todays economy.

[snowball]

I worked my ass for 2 years so i could have the money to be able to work for free, because i knew that's what i needed to do.

did you also sell crack, as your alias on here appears to suggest?

In all seriousness, keeping your head down and working hard plus with the old saying that the 'cream always rises to the top' and i guess it worked for you so fair play  

[Dan Alive!]

“The music industry is a shallow money trench. A narrow plastic corridor where thieves and pimps run free, and weak men die like dogs.”

Thomson summed it up nicely, methinks. I detest the music industry sometimes, I really do.

[Dave Badger]

All internships are like this afaik they know full well  you need them a lot more than they need you so they can exploit you. JMoney finished a fashion degree and someone from Ted Baker came to her Uni to offer Internships in Central London working 8-6 Mon-fri and most weekends for £10k a year. Granted a little more than is on offer here but still a pittance compared to your living costs. As Jon/Crackhead said above it seperates the chancers from the people who truly want the role as regardless of your financial situation if you want it that badly you'll find a way to do it.

[Random]

This is standard!

Pretty much every company in the music industry operates in this way.

Get over it

[P to the D]

The media and music are highly competitive and you have to expect to work for peanuts if you are serious about getting anywhere, it's all about proving your worth, it's shit pay because it can be and often the only way to sort the wheat from the chaff. What you get in return though is doing a job you love, that's creative and interesting. Want money? Work in a call centre or sales, hate your job and get cash. However if you do work hard and prove yourself, you'll hopefully end up with both job satisfaction and getting properly paid for it.

What I do object to though, is when companies and individuals take the piss with people who have been in the industry a while, have been highly trained and paid their dues. I have been working in publishing now for over ten years. People still try to get me to work for free, often with the patronising line 'It will look good in your portfolio' to that I reply 'my portfolio is great already thank you, my freelance rates are...' after a while you have to have confidence in your abilities or people will walk all over you and pay will remain low for very highly skilled people, But when you're first starting out, I'm afraid you have to be humble. It's not fair, but it's life.

[Evs]

No wonder there's plenty of wasted talent around then with attitudes like this.

[Andy Payback HiFi]

end of the day that's the way these industries work. don't like it, do something else.

 

The media and music are highly competitive and you have to expect to work for peanuts if you are serious about getting anywhere, it's all about proving your worth, it's shit pay because it can be and often the only way to sort the wheat from the chaff. What you get in return though is doing a job you love, that's creative and interesting. Want money? Work in a call centre or sales, hate your job and get cash. However if you do work hard and prove yourself, you'll hopefully end up with both job satisfaction and getting properly paid for it.

What I do object to though, is when companies and individuals take the piss with people who have been in the industry a while, have been highly trained and paid their dues. I have been working in publishing now for over ten years. People still try to get me to work for free, often with the patronising line 'It will look good in your portfolio' to that I reply 'my portfolio is great already thank you, my freelance rates are...' after a while you have to have confidence in your abilities or people will walk all over you and pay will remain low for very highly skilled people, But when you're first starting out, I'm afraid you have to be humble. It's not fair, but it's life.

 

 

[thedave]

This is standard!

Pretty much every company in the music industry operates in this way.

Get over it

yes, couldn't agree more mate, if you don't like something then shut your mouth and accept it
racism, war, street crime, shagging babies
these are things that have been happening all over the world for a very long time, we should just get over them

[Uncle Basic]

This is standard!

Pretty much every company in the music industry operates in this way.

Get over it

yes, couldn't agree more mate, if you don't like something then shut your mouth and accept it
racism, war, street crime, shagging babies
these are things that have been happening all over the world for a very long time, we should just get over them

sounds like you need to listen to Mc Grimzie

[P to the D]

This is standard!

Pretty much every company in the music industry operates in this way.

Get over it

yes, couldn't agree more mate, if you don't like something then shut your mouth and accept it
racism, war, street crime, shagging babies
these are things that have been happening all over the world for a very long time, we should just get over them

Yeah that's the same, making cups of tea and learning about the industry you're so passionate about working in for a small amount of money to prove your worth and gain prospects for the rest of your career is just like war and racism 

[thedave]

This is standard!

Pretty much every company in the music industry operates in this way.

Get over it

yes, couldn't agree more mate, if you don't like something then shut your mouth and accept it
racism, war, street crime, shagging babies
these are things that have been happening all over the world for a very long time, we should just get over them

Yeah that's the same, making cups of tea and learning about the industry you're so passionate about working in for a small amount of money to prove your worth and gain prospects for the rest of your career is just like war and racism 

you have to admit that the "thats just how life is, accept it, don't bitch about something that you really disagree with " attitude sucks
yes my examples were extreme, I was using them to illustrate my point

[foo-fon fire]

it's all about proving your worth,

  Exactly. If you want the job you will find a way even if it means working two jobs.