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« on: February 20, 2012, 11:24:42 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2012/feb/20/lab-grown-meat-test-tube-burger




I would give it a taste if its any good then why not!

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 11:28:12 »

just read an article on this.

$200,000  hamburger by the end of the year.

Grown blood and fat to used as well...
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 11:43:20 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/19/test-tube-burger-meat-eating?INTCMP=SRCH

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 12:18:16 »

I guess when we can grow meat we can kill all those useless cows, pigs and sheep and concrete over all that farmland for retail parks.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 12:46:41 »

I guess when we can grow meat we can kill all those useless cows, pigs and sheep and concrete over all that farmland for retail parks.

Retail parks cause less global warming than a load of farm animals. Probably.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 13:05:32 »

Biggest advert for vegetarianism I've ever seen.

How about we all just eat less meat!! We survived for centuries having meat as an occasional food rather than a once or more a day staple. There was less wastage and we also ate more wild meat like rabbit. I like the taste of meat now I've been eating it for a few years but to be honest it doesn't make me feel great, I feel much lighter ans better eating veggie. I am seriously considering going back to the green side.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 13:07:52 »

In Zimbabwe they went back to eating wild meat en masse when their country got fucked. Now there are no animals left.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 13:12:55 »

In Zimbabwe they went back to eating wild meat en masse when their country got fucked. Now there are no animals left.

Key is 'en masse', we need to eat less meat. People ate rabbits for centuries and they're not extinct, it's when we invent machines to catch them 'en masse' which is when problems arrise. It's like fishing, once industrial fishing was invented, fish populations plummeted, I bet 30 years ago people would never have believed that the cod would go on the endangered species list, but it did. We need to be encouraged to moderate and not over consume. Or eat more sustantainable meats and fishes.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 13:17:15 »

In Zimbabwe they went back to eating wild meat en masse when their country got fucked. Now there are no animals left.

Key is 'en masse', we need to eat less meat. People ate rabbits for centuries and they're not extinct, it's when we invent machines to catch them 'en masse' which is when problems arrise. It's like fishing, once industrial fishing was invented, fish populations plummeted, I bet 30 years ago people would never have believed that the cod would go on the endangered species list, but it did. We need to be encouraged to moderate and not over consume. Or eat more sustantainable meats and fishes.

No. We ate rabbits from the wild without killing them out during the flat bit of this:



There are too many of us for unmanaged meat consumption to be sustainable. Cows, pigs, chicken and sheep are the ultimate sustainable meats. (Lab grown meat is theoretically better for the environment though, if it was practical to do on a large scale)
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 14:12:46 »

In Zimbabwe they went back to eating wild meat en masse when their country got fucked. Now there are no animals left.

Key is 'en masse', we need to eat less meat. People ate rabbits for centuries and they're not extinct, it's when we invent machines to catch them 'en masse' which is when problems arrise. It's like fishing, once industrial fishing was invented, fish populations plummeted, I bet 30 years ago people would never have believed that the cod would go on the endangered species list, but it did. We need to be encouraged to moderate and not over consume. Or eat more sustantainable meats and fishes.

No. We ate rabbits from the wild without killing them out during the flat bit of this:



There are too many of us for unmanaged meat consumption to be sustainable. Cows, pigs, chicken and sheep are the ultimate sustainable meats. (Lab grown meat is theoretically better for the environment though, if it was practical to do on a large scale)

Or eat less meat, you can't deny that since industrial farming and processing we have eaten far more meat? It has become less of a luxury and more of a staple. And an excessive consumption of meat contributes towards heart disease and bowel cancer. We could eat less meat and still manage to maintain a farming industry and wild animals without having to resort to growing meat in a lab.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 14:17:14 »

You can't manipulate people into not eating meat when it is available. I'm not saying morally you shouldn't, or ethically it is unpleasant. I'm saying it is impossible in a practical sense to stop the majority of people from consuming meat when it is available. It isn't just to do with industrialisation, its to do with standard of living. When resources are plentiful meat production increases and, hence, consumption increases. It happened in China relatively recently; the poor became less poor and meat consumption shot up. I respect the choice of any individual to regulate their meat consumption but the expectation that it could ever be a widespread practice is completely not feasible.

edit: and re: Zimbabwe. It wasn't some industrial machination of death on a huge scale. It was simply that too many people vs too few animals depletes the stock. Their situation was different than ours of course; it was malnourished children or dead zebra. I know which we'd both choose. But even if every family with young children in the UK strictly regulated themselves to killing and eating 2 rabbits from the wild per week there'd be none left in a few years, given that their population is already balanced against foxes. Which, by the way, also means foxes would die too. There's just too many of us around for us to go back to some crazy notion of living off the land "naturally" without farming. That's what farming is. The best and most efficient way to live off the land. And when resources to do it are available farming will happen. And when farming happens meat will be readily available. And when meat is readily available it will be consumed.
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 14:40:31 »

You can't manipulate people into not eating meat when it is available. I'm not saying morally you shouldn't, or ethically it is unpleasant. I'm saying it is impossible in a practical sense to stop the majority of people from consuming meat when it is available. It isn't just to do with industrialisation, its to do with standard of living. When resources are plentiful meat production increases and, hence, consumption increases. It happened in China relatively recently; the poor became less poor and meat consumption shot up. I respect the choice of any individual to regulate their meat consumption but the expectation that it could ever be a widespread practice is completely not feasible.

edit: and re: Zimbabwe. It wasn't some industrial machination of death on a huge scale. It was simply that too many people vs too few animals depletes the stock. Their situation was different than ours of course; it was malnourished children or dead zebra. I know which we'd both choose. But even if every family with young children in the UK strictly regulated themselves to killing and eating 2 rabbits from the wild per week there'd be none left in a few years, given that their population is already balanced against foxes. Which, by the way, also means foxes would die too. There's just too many of us around for us to go back to some crazy notion of living off the land "naturally" without farming. That's what farming is. The best and most efficient way to live off the land. And when resources to do it are available farming will happen. And when farming happens meat will be readily available. And when meat is readily available it will be consumed.

It's not about going back to an outdated system though, it's about changing our habits. You say you can't change the way a population do things, but of course you can!! It's happened with environmental issues already, people now recycle, use energy efficient lightbulbs, and think about the energy efficiency of their homes. It happened with smoking, with more and more people quitting and less and less people starting. Through education and economy you can change people's habits over time; but at the moment if big food giant companies are willing to spend money on research into growing meat in labs, they're not going to be challenged by the vegetarian lobby. This happened in the US last year, Michelle Obama wanted to promote Organic farming, and the lobbyists of the big food companies put paid to it. Until the shit hits the fan and something HAS to be done, like it did with the Carbon issue, big food companies are going to find ways of keeping people eating meat so they can make profits and to hell with the consequences to the plant, to the animals and the overall health of people. As individuals though we can make choices as consumers.

I think I might give up meat for Lent (not because I'm religious, but because it's a convenient time frame that starts on Wednesday) and see how I feel, then might go back veggie altogether.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 14:54:40 »

You can't manipulate people into not eating meat when it is available. I'm not saying morally you shouldn't, or ethically it is unpleasant. I'm saying it is impossible in a practical sense to stop the majority of people from consuming meat when it is available. It isn't just to do with industrialisation, its to do with standard of living. When resources are plentiful meat production increases and, hence, consumption increases. It happened in China relatively recently; the poor became less poor and meat consumption shot up. I respect the choice of any individual to regulate their meat consumption but the expectation that it could ever be a widespread practice is completely not feasible.

edit: and re: Zimbabwe. It wasn't some industrial machination of death on a huge scale. It was simply that too many people vs too few animals depletes the stock. Their situation was different than ours of course; it was malnourished children or dead zebra. I know which we'd both choose. But even if every family with young children in the UK strictly regulated themselves to killing and eating 2 rabbits from the wild per week there'd be none left in a few years, given that their population is already balanced against foxes. Which, by the way, also means foxes would die too. There's just too many of us around for us to go back to some crazy notion of living off the land "naturally" without farming. That's what farming is. The best and most efficient way to live off the land. And when resources to do it are available farming will happen. And when farming happens meat will be readily available. And when meat is readily available it will be consumed.

It's not about going back to an outdated system though, it's about changing our habits. You say you can't change the way a population do things, but of course you can!! It's happened with environmental issues already, people now recycle, use energy efficient lightbulbs, and think about the energy efficiency of their homes. It happened with smoking, with more and more people quitting and less and less people starting. Through education and economy you can change people's habits over time; but at the moment if big food giant companies are willing to spend money on research into growing meat in labs, they're not going to be challenged by the vegetarian lobby. This happened in the US last year, Michelle Obama wanted to promote Organic farming, and the lobbyists of the big food companies put paid to it. Until the shit hits the fan and something HAS to be done, like it did with the Carbon issue, big food companies are going to find ways of keeping people eating meat so they can make profits and to hell with the consequences to the plant, to the animals and the overall health of people. As individuals though we can make choices as consumers.

I think I might give up meat for Lent (not because I'm religious, but because it's a convenient time frame that starts on Wednesday) and see how I feel, then might go back veggie altogether.

The desire to eat meat goes a little deeper than the desire to smoke or to use energy efficient lightbulbs. Encouraging people to cut back on readily available meat is like encouraging people to cut back on readily available intercourse. I can't think of an example of that happening. Well, not that ended well anyway. The poster child for abstinence is the church and they fuck kids.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 15:50:38 »

what about teh fish

Global oceanic fish stocks are almost beyond critical.


Lobotomise meat crops and bypass the ethics Smiley

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 16:30:31 »

Biggest advert for vegetarianism I've ever seen.

Eating meat is what developed the human brain and body to be what it is today. The application of heat to the protein cell makes it grow 400%... thus aiding development of the brain and human evolution over the generations.

Biggest advert against vegetarianism ever. When we were all veggies we used to drag women around by their hair and jump at the sight of our shadows.

Give me the meat, please.

And before it surfaces, no I don't think I'm superior because I'm a carnivore - I just don't think the human race has evolved to the height of what it can be. And I intend to help it along, one steak at a time.  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2012, 16:36:21 »

And before it surfaces, no I don't think I'm superior because I'm a carnivore

I do .


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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2012, 16:58:59 »

And before it surfaces, no I don't think I'm superior because I'm a carnivore

I do .

Fuck you veggies   

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2012, 17:13:27 »

And before it surfaces, no I don't think I'm superior because I'm a carnivore

I do .

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2012, 17:17:23 »

make people need a license to eat meat (no homo  Bad Teeth )

THe test will be to eviscerate an animal and cook it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2012, 17:17:33 »

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2012, 17:20:04 »

Biggest advert for vegetarianism I've ever seen.

Eating meat is what developed the human brain and body to be what it is today. The application of heat to the protein cell makes it grow 400%... thus aiding development of the brain and human evolution over the generations.

Biggest advert against vegetarianism ever. When we were all veggies we used to drag women around by their hair and jump at the sight of our shadows.

Give me the meat, please.

And before it surfaces, no I don't think I'm superior because I'm a carnivore - I just don't think the human race has evolved to the height of what it can be. And I intend to help it along, one steak at a time.  Two Thumbs

We don't need meat to get protein any more though. Have you considered that for us to evolve to be the best we can be might mean bringing to an end the unnecessary and industrial-scale torture and slaughter of millions of animals?
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2012, 17:23:06 »

Biggest advert for vegetarianism I've ever seen.

Eating meat is what developed the human brain and body to be what it is today. The application of heat to the protein cell makes it grow 400%... thus aiding development of the brain and human evolution over the generations.

Biggest advert against vegetarianism ever. When we were all veggies we used to drag women around by their hair and jump at the sight of our shadows.

Give me the meat, please.

And before it surfaces, no I don't think I'm superior because I'm a carnivore - I just don't think the human race has evolved to the height of what it can be. And I intend to help it along, one steak at a time.  Two Thumbs

We don't need meat to get protein any more though. Have you considered that for us to evolve to be the best we can be might mean bringing to an end the unnecessary and industrial-scale torture and slaughter of millions of animals?

what about the selfish moral choice of vegetarians  leading to 1000's of animals being thrown in the bin after a cruel short life.
eat them dammit - they deserve that much
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2012, 17:27:07 »

Biggest advert for vegetarianism I've ever seen.

Eating meat is what developed the human brain and body to be what it is today. The application of heat to the protein cell makes it grow 400%... thus aiding development of the brain and human evolution over the generations.

Biggest advert against vegetarianism ever. When we were all veggies we used to drag women around by their hair and jump at the sight of our shadows.

Give me the meat, please.

And before it surfaces, no I don't think I'm superior because I'm a carnivore - I just don't think the human race has evolved to the height of what it can be. And I intend to help it along, one steak at a time.  Two Thumbs

We don't need meat to get protein any more though. Have you considered that for us to evolve to be the best we can be might mean bringing to an end the unnecessary and industrial-scale torture and slaughter of millions of animals?

Torture? Really? Nah. Its not, is it?
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Biggest advert for vegetarianism I've ever seen.

Eating meat is what developed the human brain and body to be what it is today. The application of heat to the protein cell makes it grow 400%... thus aiding development of the brain and human evolution over the generations.

Biggest advert against vegetarianism ever. When we were all veggies we used to drag women around by their hair and jump at the sight of our shadows.

Give me the meat, please.

And before it surfaces, no I don't think I'm superior because I'm a carnivore - I just don't think the human race has evolved to the height of what it can be. And I intend to help it along, one steak at a time.  Two Thumbs

We don't need meat to get protein any more though. Have you considered that for us to evolve to be the best we can be might mean bringing to an end the unnecessary and industrial-scale torture and slaughter of millions of animals?

what about the selfish moral choice of vegetarians  leading to 1000's of animals being thrown in the bin after a cruel short life.
eat them dammit - they deserve that much

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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2012, 17:34:54 »

Torture? Really? Nah. Its not, is it?

Depends on your definition. But, in my view, battery farming is equivalent to torture.
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2012, 20:00:12 »

Torture? Really? Nah. Its not, is it?

Depends on your definition. But, in my view, battery farming is equivalent to torture.
Well let's be honest, chickens ain't up to much in the brain department.
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