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« on: February 11, 2012, 20:29:20 »

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 20:57:07 »

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No it wasn't: The forever facts.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 09:49:17 »

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No it wasn't: The forever facts.

WTF? Dude!! three buildings fell on 9/11? one wasn't even hit by a plane!?!
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 11:39:31 »

There is not one shred of doubt that Bush was behind it...however imposing a new world order isn't as easy as that..it might be heading that way but there is a way to go yet....
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 15:06:13 »

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 15:11:46 »

There is not one shred of doubt that Bush was behind it...

Except for all the very many shreds. Nay, not shreds. Full, intact tapestries of detailed and valid doubt.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 15:57:34 »

 Smiley retard logic^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Highly-Credible People Question 9/11

The following people question the government's version of 9/11, or the government's openness in providing information about the September 11 attacks.

9/11 COMMISSIONERS

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation".

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest".

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."

CONGRESS

According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, a U.S. government informant was the landlord to two of the hijackers for over a year (but the White House refused to let the 9/11 inquiry interview him).

Current U.S. Senator (Patrick Leahy) states "The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?"

Current Republican Congressman (Ron Paul) calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"

Current Democratic Congressman (Dennis Kucinich) hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11

Former Democratic Senator (Mike Gravel) states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11

Former Republican Senator (Lincoln Chaffee) endorses a new 9/11 investigation

Former U.S. Democratic Congressman (Dan Hamburg) says that the U.S. government "assisted" in the 9/11 attacks, stating that "I think there was a lot of help from the inside"

Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee (Curt Weldon) has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job

MILITARY LEADERS

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt" (bio)

Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that 9/11 was an inside job. He also said:

"If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an old interceptor pilot—I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were, and I know what they’ve changed them to—if our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason!"

U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:

"there is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ... Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a 'conspiracy Theory' does not change the truth. It seems, 'Something is rotten in the State.' "

President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a member of a group which doubts the government's version of 9/11

U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time."

Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official (Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski) finds various aspects of 9/11 suspicious

Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve Butler) said "Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism."

Two-Star general (Major General Albert Stubbelbine) questions the attack on the Pentagon

U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) said the following:

"I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government ....

Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!"

U.S. Marine Corps lieutenant colonel, a fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown and a 21-year Marine Corps career (Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford) believes that 9/11 was an inside job, and said:

"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...

Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.

If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ....

Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ..."

U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot (Commander Ralph Kolstad) who questions the official account of 9/11 and is calling for a new investigation, says "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story".

The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility

Additionally, numerous military leaders from allied governments have questioned 9/11, such as:

Canadian Minister of Defense, the top military leader of Canada (Paul Hellyer)

Assistant German Defense Minister (Andreas Von Bulow)

Commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy (Anatoli Kornukov)

Chief of staff of the Russian armed forces (General Leonid Ivashov)

INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS

Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.

A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.

A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... All three [buildings that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11." (and see this).

20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) stated that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006).

A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that"the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job .

The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup."

Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army) questions the government's version of the events of 9/11.

The head of all U.S. intelligence, the Director of National Intelligence (Mike McConnel) said "9/11 should have and could have been prevented"

A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored).


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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 15:57:52 »

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SCIENTISTS

A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed "does not match the available facts" and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition

A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America's highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:

"I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken."

The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable."

The principal electrical engineer for the entire World Trade Center complex, who was "very familiar with the structures and [the Twin Towers'] conceptual design parameters" (Richard F. Humenn), stated that "the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel . . . . the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down."

Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain A. Deets) says:

"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Centers on 9/11].''

A prominent physicist, former U.S. professor of physics from a top university, and a former principal investigator for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects (Dr. Steven E. Jones) stated that the world trade centers were brought down by controlled demolition

A U.S. physics professor who teaches at several universities (Dr. Crockett Grabbe) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition

An expert on demolition (Bent Lund) said that the trade centers were brought down with explosives (in Danish)
A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded

A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority (Dr. Heikki Kurttila) stated regarding WTC 7 that "The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."

A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university, with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member (Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn), is calling for a new investigation of 9/11

A Danish professor of chemistry (Dr. Niels Harrit) said, in a mainstream Danish newspaper, "WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building would have fallen in that direction. You don't have to be a woodcutter to grasp this" (translated)

A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers "were brought down by planted explosives."

A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the Northern California - Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward S. Munyak) believes that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition.

The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , does not believe the official story, and believes that there is a prima facie case for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center.
A professor of mathematics (Gary Welz) said "The official explanation that I've heard doesn't make sense because it doesn't explain why I heard and felt an explosion before the South Tower fell and why the concrete was pulverized"

STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)

Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California

Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England
Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia

Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado

David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California

Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona

David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)

Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage) disputes the claim that fire and airplane damage brought down the World Trade Centers and believes there is strong evidence of controlled demolition (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed here)

LEGAL SCHOLARS

Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Former Inspector General, U.S. Department of Transportation; former Professor of Aviation, Dept. of Aerospace Engineering and Aviation and Professor of Public Policy, Ohio State University (Mary Schiavo) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign; a leading practitioner and advocate of international law; responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention; served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court, with a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University (Dr. Francis Boyle) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Former prosecutor in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby Kennedy’s anti-corruption task force; former assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois (J. Terrence "Terry" Brunner) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Professor Emeritus, International Law, Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton University; in 2001 served on the three-person UN Commission on Human Rights for the Palestine Territories, and previously, on the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (Richard Falk) questions the government's version of 9/11., and asks whether the Neocons were behind 9/11.

Bessie Dutton Murray Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and Director, Center for Human Rights, University of Iowa; Fellow, World Academy of Art and Science. Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American Journal of International Law (Burns H. Weston) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Former president of the National Lawyers Guild (C. Peter Erlinder), who signed a petition calling for a real investigation into 9/11. And see petition.

Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University; associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents; Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations; former Federal Sky Marshall; 27-year U.S. Customs career (Mark Conrad) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Professor of Law, University of Freiburg; former Minister of Justice of West Germany (Horst Ehmke) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy; former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer; author of several books on law and political theory (Dr. William G. Weaver) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Famed trial attorney (Gerry Spence) questions the government's version of 9/11.

Former Instructor of Criminal Trial Practice, Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California at Berkeley 11-year teaching career. Retired Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year career (William Veale) said:

"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."

FAMILY MEMBERS AND HEROIC FIRST RESPONDERS

A common criticism of those who question 9/11 is that they are being "disrespectful to the victims and their families".

However, half of the victim's families believe that 9/11 was an inside job (according to the head of the largest 9/11 family group, Bill Doyle) (and listen to this interview). Many family and friends of victims not only support the search for 9/11 truth, but they demand it (please ignore the partisan tone). See also this interview.

Indeed, it has now become so clear that the 9/11 Commission was a whitewash that the same 9/11 widows who called for the creation of the 9/11 Commission are now demanding a NEW investigation (see also this video).

And dying heroes, soon-to-be victims themselves, the first responders who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers and that a real investigation is necessary.

PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS

Finally, those who attack people who question the government's version of 9/11 as "crazy" may wish to review the list of mental health professionals who have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false:

Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD

Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz

Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD

Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Barry R. Komisaruk

Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward

Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino

Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther

Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner

Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor

Retired Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris

Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech

Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser

THOUSANDS OF OTHERS

The roster above is only a sample. There are too many Ph.D. scientists and engineers, architects, military and intelligence officials, politicians, legal scholars and other highly-credible people who question 9/11 -- literally thousands -- to list in one place. Here are a few additional people to consider:

The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission

Former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and who handled two actual hijackings (Robin Hordon) says that 9/11 could not have occurred as the government says, and that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off (also, listen to this interview)

Perhaps "the premiere collapse expert in the country", who 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer referred to as a "very, very respected expert on building collapse", the head of the New York Fire Department's Special Operations Command and the most highly decorated firefighter in its NYFD history, who had previously "commanded rescue operations at many difficult and complex disasters, including the Oklahoma City Bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, and many natural disasters worldwide" thought that the collapse of the South Tower was caused by bombs, because the collapse of the building was too even to have been caused by anything else (pages 5-6).

Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11

Former FBI agent (Robert Wright) says "The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred."
Former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription required) (Sibel Edmonds), said "If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up". She also is leaning towards the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job. Some of her allegations have been confirmed in the British press.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 17:07:49 »

There is not one shred of doubt that Bush was behind it...

Except for all the very many shreds. Nay, not shreds. Full, intact tapestries of detailed and valid doubt.

wait till you're my age..if you make it..and see what you think then
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2012, 17:16:05 »

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 17:24:20 »

There is not one shred of doubt that Bush was behind it...

Except for all the very many shreds. Nay, not shreds. Full, intact tapestries of detailed and valid doubt.

wait till you're my age..if you make it..and see what you think then

I imagine when I'm your age what I'll mostly think is "Oh. Why did I come upstairs again? Must've been some reason. Oh well, never mind"
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 17:28:45 »

There is not one shred of doubt that Bush was behind it...

Except for all the very many shreds. Nay, not shreds. Full, intact tapestries of detailed and valid doubt.

wait till you're my age..if you make it..and see what you think then

I imagine when I'm your age what I'll mostly think is "Oh. Why did I come upstairs again? Must've been some reason. Oh well, never mind"

Are you over 18? Have people been getting wound up debating with a child all this time lol
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 17:33:45 »

There is not one shred of doubt that Bush was behind it...

Except for all the very many shreds. Nay, not shreds. Full, intact tapestries of detailed and valid doubt.

wait till you're my age..if you make it..and see what you think then

I imagine when I'm your age what I'll mostly think is "Oh. Why did I come upstairs again? Must've been some reason. Oh well, never mind"

Are you over 18? Have people been getting wound up debating with a child all this time lol

I'm 10.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2012, 17:54:20 »

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 17:54:30 »

There is not one shred of doubt that Bush was behind it...

Except for all the very many shreds. Nay, not shreds. Full, intact tapestries of detailed and valid doubt.

wait till you're my age..if you make it..and see what you think then

I imagine when I'm your age what I'll mostly think is "Oh. Why did I come upstairs again? Must've been some reason. Oh well, never mind"

Are you over 18? Have people been getting wound up debating with a child all this time lol

I'm 10.

Thought so

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Sgw7CDDewXE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Sgw7CDDewXE</a>

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/19/think-tank-afghans-dont-know-911/

I remember seeing the news when the press were showing taliban pics of the twin towers 911 incident and they had no idea what it was and hadnt even heard of new york & lots western soldiers rubbing their head confused when they asked what that was about
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2012, 18:19:43 »

Here it is:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/e1YAv_tPmho" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/e1YAv_tPmho</a>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1YAv_tPmho

The Afghan people, Afghan Police, the translators, all never heard of 911 (92% min) I bet similar percentage of americans couldnt even point out afghanistan on a map lol

Whether 911 was an inside job or not, the US puppet state now drills that country for oil and fills it with military bases. Nice1.
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2012, 18:21:11 »

You honestly think the same bumbling government who have got a shit load wrong, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq for example, were capable of pulling off 9/11?
Wow, you obviously think highly of them.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 18:26:24 »

This is a classic

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/AjWM0Mh3riU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/AjWM0Mh3riU</a>

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2012, 18:30:38 »

This is a classic

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/AjWM0Mh3riU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/AjWM0Mh3riU</a>

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2012, 18:31:58 »

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2012, 19:25:11 »

Whether 911 was an inside job or not, the US puppet state now drills that country for oil and fills it with military bases. Nice1.

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I don't just get angry about daft "inside job" claims because I'm an indignant cunt (tho I admit I am one). I get angry about it because it distracts from the plainly demonstrable fact that the US authorities definitely took advantage of the climate after the attacks to amp up their foreign policy cuntishness to 11.
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2012, 19:59:13 »

Whether 911 was an inside job or not, the US puppet state now drills that country for oil and fills it with military bases. Nice1.

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I don't just get angry about daft "inside job" claims because I'm an indignant cunt (tho I admit I am one). I get angry about it because it distracts from the plainly demonstrable fact that the US authorities definitely took advantage of the climate after the attacks to amp up their foreign policy cuntishness to 11.

You dont need to get angry over anything you understand, perhaps its frustration or seeming inability to deal with the consequences domestically? I dont think anyone in this thread has come across as angry or daft its just facts being put on a table. Their foreign policy has been done, the world is as it is, those are the results but the indication it has been manipulated would be a reason to get emotional. Keep calm and just see what you see and get on with life  Heart
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2012, 21:51:47 »

There is not one shred of doubt that Bush was behind it...

Except for all the very many shreds. Nay, not shreds. Full, intact tapestries of detailed and valid doubt.

wait till you're my age..if you make it..and see what you think then


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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2012, 10:28:00 »

Most of those monkeys appear to be apes.

The accurate solution is kill the scientists.
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The accurate solution is kill the scientists.

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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2012, 10:38:45 »

If you put all the monkeys from all the generations in a big burlap sack. That bag of monkeys. That's how mental this thread is. As mental as a bag of monkeys.
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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2012, 11:10:57 »

9/11 was an outside job
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2012, 17:57:05 »

Let's break it down logically here.

Who was the only party to benefit from 9/11? Bush administration.
Who had their fingers on the button so to say, in particular the timing of US wargames in Iceland? Bush administration.
Who won the contract to rebuild Iraq after the US invasion? Bush administration.
Who clearly lied about WMD's in Iraq? Bush administration.

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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2012, 19:18:28 »

Iraq was a separate issue to the response from 9/11, they just happened around the same time and were near each other.

As for lying about WMD's, tell that to the Kurds...Oh wait, you can't, they were all gassed by Saddam and his WMD's.
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2012, 19:33:57 »

Iraq was a separate issue to the response from 9/11

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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2012, 19:34:24 »

Here we go. Seems silly to only post opinions from the lunatic left. Lets have a link to a site that puts all those crazy theories to bed shall we?
http://www.debunking911.com/

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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2012, 19:37:18 »

Let's break it down logically here.

Who was the only party to benefit from 9/11? Bush administration. - No.
Who had their fingers on the button so to say, in particular the timing of US wargames in Iceland? Bush administration. - No
Who won the contract to rebuild Iraq after the US invasion? Bush administration. - The contract? Errr....No.
Who clearly lied about WMD's in Iraq? Bush administration. - No

9/11 Truth is not a conspiracy theory, it's common sense. - No

But carry on hating Bush some more. Makes complete sense.
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2012, 19:55:20 »

Here we go. Seems silly to only post opinions from the lunatic left. Lets have a link to a site that puts all those crazy theories to bed shall we?
http://www.debunking911.com/

Feel free to google for information you don't want to read about yourself though. There's loads of it out there.  Two Thumbs

That site proves nothing. I've had a quick skim read and there isn't a single youtube video from a high school physics teacher. How can you expect me to believe that?
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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2012, 19:58:54 »

Here we go. Seems silly to only post opinions from the lunatic left. Lets have a link to a site that puts all those crazy theories to bed shall we?
http://www.debunking911.com/

Feel free to google for information you don't want to read about yourself though. There's loads of it out there.  Two Thumbs

That site proves nothing. I've had a quick skim read and there isn't a single youtube video from a high school physics teacher. How can you expect me to believe that?
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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2012, 20:00:14 »

One things that always baffles me when WTC 7 discussions come up, is how almost nobody ever points out WHAT WAS IN WTC7:

It wasn't just 'some building'... -If one is to suspect controlled demolition... we have to ask:WHY?? Why would they bring that building down? What would be the motive?

well lets take a look at what was inside that building:


US Secret Service (Government)
CIA (Government)
IRS (Government)
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
First State Management Group, Inc
Securities & Exchange Commission (Government)
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt (Government)


Now to me this is a MAJORLY overlooked piece of the puzzle that vastly gets overlooked....

IF (just suppose if) 911 was in anyway whatsoever orchestrated by US insiders, it would seem very plausible that whatever paper-trails that existed to prove it would have all been kept in WTC. Debunkers always point out how hard it would be to cover up such a massively complex operation, but if this indeed was the case, for sure this is how/where that evidence was destroyed.

Why does nobody ever bring this up??
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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2012, 20:08:18 »

whatever paper-trails that existed to prove it would have all been kept in WTC.
A big cabinet full of important paperwork, yeah? I don't know if you've been in a big office in the last 20 years but almost everything is backed up to a server and copies put in a safe fire store to stop 'precious paper trails' being destroyed. Common practice for years now. My company used to have an underground bunker. Those evil Bush cronies wouldn't have kept their plans to murder Americans in a desk drawer in a main office block.
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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2012, 20:11:53 »

It's always the ultimate paradox, the US are so intelligent that they can orchestrate 9/11, yet so dumb that they leave a load of A4 Paper in the building, adjacent completely implicating their involvement. No one knew this before, and shredded said incriminating evidence. It's much easier to destroy an entire building in a self-controlled demolition, that way no one will ever suspect a..
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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2012, 20:13:14 »

whatever paper-trails that existed to prove it would have all been kept in WTC.
A big cabinet full of important paperwork, yeah? I don't know if you've been in a big office in the last 20 years but almost everything is backed up to a server and copies put in a safe fire store to stop 'precious paper trails' being destroyed. Common practice for years now. My company used to have an underground bunker. Those evil Bush cronies wouldn't have kept their plans to murder Americans in a desk drawer in a main office block.

Dude, over $50 billion dollars is spent totally un-recorded each year, I doubt if anything fishy or "insider" happened to do with this, it wouldnt be written down or recorded at all..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_budget
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« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2012, 20:15:57 »

It's always the ultimate paradox, the US are so intelligent that they can orchestrate 9/11, yet so dumb that they leave a load of A4 Paper in the building, adjacent completely implicating their involvement. No one knew this before, and shredded said incriminating evidence. It's much easier to destroy an entire building in a self-controlled demolition, that way no one will ever suspect a..

No paradox. The intelligence isnt the same as the decision makers... eg CIA are telling congress & the white house, as before in Iraq. No weapons in Iran. But the decision to do whatever they want claiming an "attack" is imminent etc is made separately by different people who do all the chit chatter glitter tape golf range cigar smoking decisions.
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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2012, 20:19:19 »

whatever paper-trails that existed to prove it would have all been kept in WTC.
A big cabinet full of important paperwork, yeah? I don't know if you've been in a big office in the last 20 years but almost everything is backed up to a server and copies put in a safe fire store to stop 'precious paper trails' being destroyed. Common practice for years now. My company used to have an underground bunker. Those evil Bush cronies wouldn't have kept their plans to murder Americans in a desk drawer in a main office block.

Dude, over $50 billion dollars is spent totally un-recorded each year, I doubt if anything fishy or "insider" happened to do with this, it wouldnt be written down or recorded at all..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_budget
If you watch Men In Black you'll see they point out that that money goes to fund Aliens at Area 81.

If it's never written down or recorded, how do they know it's over $50Billion? Defence R&D could swallow that up in no time.
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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2012, 20:21:34 »

whatever paper-trails that existed to prove it would have all been kept in WTC.
A big cabinet full of important paperwork, yeah? I don't know if you've been in a big office in the last 20 years but almost everything is backed up to a server and copies put in a safe fire store to stop 'precious paper trails' being destroyed. Common practice for years now. My company used to have an underground bunker. Those evil Bush cronies wouldn't have kept their plans to murder Americans in a desk drawer in a main office block.

Dude, over $50 billion dollars is spent totally un-recorded each year, I doubt if anything fishy or "insider" happened to do with this, it wouldnt be written down or recorded at all..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_budget
If you watch Men In Black you'll see they point out that that money goes to fund Aliens at Area 81.

If it's never written down or recorded, how do they know it's over $50Billion? Defence R&D could swallow that up in no time.

Retard Logic^
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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2012, 20:23:27 »

whatever paper-trails that existed to prove it would have all been kept in WTC.
A big cabinet full of important paperwork, yeah? I don't know if you've been in a big office in the last 20 years but almost everything is backed up to a server and copies put in a safe fire store to stop 'precious paper trails' being destroyed. Common practice for years now. My company used to have an underground bunker. Those evil Bush cronies wouldn't have kept their plans to murder Americans in a desk drawer in a main office block.

Dude, over $50 billion dollars is spent totally un-recorded each year, I doubt if anything fishy or "insider" happened to do with this, it wouldnt be written down or recorded at all..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_budget
If you watch Men In Black you'll see they point out that that money goes to fund Aliens at Area 81.

If it's never written down or recorded, how do they know it's over $50Billion? Defence R&D could swallow that up in no time.

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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2012, 20:29:01 »

Great thread guys Laugh

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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2012, 20:30:31 »

whatever paper-trails that existed to prove it would have all been kept in WTC.
A big cabinet full of important paperwork, yeah? I don't know if you've been in a big office in the last 20 years but almost everything is backed up to a server and copies put in a safe fire store to stop 'precious paper trails' being destroyed. Common practice for years now. My company used to have an underground bunker. Those evil Bush cronies wouldn't have kept their plans to murder Americans in a desk drawer in a main office block.

Dude, over $50 billion dollars is spent totally un-recorded each year, I doubt if anything fishy or "insider" happened to do with this, it wouldnt be written down or recorded at all..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_budget
If you watch Men In Black you'll see they point out that that money goes to fund Aliens at Area 81.

If it's never written down or recorded, how do they know it's over $50Billion? Defence R&D could swallow that up in no time.

Retard Logic^
Dude,
Have you questioned your perception of events? Have you taken as much time to read sites that say why 911 wasn't a big plot by the Bush administration? Every point raised by conspiracists has been put to bed by people who know what they are talking about many times before. All many years ago.
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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2012, 20:31:34 »

whatever paper-trails that existed to prove it would have all been kept in WTC.
A big cabinet full of important paperwork, yeah? I don't know if you've been in a big office in the last 20 years but almost everything is backed up to a server and copies put in a safe fire store to stop 'precious paper trails' being destroyed. Common practice for years now. My company used to have an underground bunker. Those evil Bush cronies wouldn't have kept their plans to murder Americans in a desk drawer in a main office block.

Dude, over $50 billion dollars is spent totally un-recorded each year, I doubt if anything fishy or "insider" happened to do with this, it wouldnt be written down or recorded at all..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_budget
If you watch Men In Black you'll see they point out that that money goes to fund Aliens at Area 81.

If it's never written down or recorded, how do they know it's over $50Billion? Defence R&D could swallow that up in no time.

Because it says so on Wikipedia ffs, keep up!  Bad Teeth

ok sorry how bout these
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/02/pentagons-black-budget-tops-56-billion/
http://www.dailylobo.com/index.php/article/2012/02/federal_secretkeeping_hurts_public
http://original.antiwar.com/bwalker/2012/02/01/how-the-swiss-opted-out-of-war/ (halfway down article)
mentioned in this http://www.businessinsider.com/what-if-were-beyond-mere-policy-tweaks-2012-2

suggests over a trillion on top of current budget for defence...
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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2012, 21:06:14 »

Here we go. Seems silly to only post opinions from the lunatic left. Lets have a link to a site that puts all those crazy theories to bed shall we?
http://www.debunking911.com/

Feel free to google for information you don't want to read about yourself though. There's loads of it out there.  Two Thumbs

That site proves nothing. I've had a quick skim read and there isn't a single youtube video from a high school physics teacher. How can you expect me to believe that?

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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2012, 21:07:29 »

Great thread guys Laugh



This is no laughing matter

see this picture? i know it looks like a bunch of seagulls have been circled, but they are obviously hologram generators.

open your eyes people, the 2012 shi'ar invasion is almost at hand



No but seriously..

is it possible for a natural collapse to resemble a controlled demolition?

I don't think so - the conditions for this type of fall have to be very precise, blowing ALL support columns equally at the same time



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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2012, 21:12:30 »

Jesus Christ, for every 'expert' that says its a controlled explosion, there's another that says it isn't.
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« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2012, 13:24:39 »

Let's break it down logically here.

Who was the only party to benefit from 9/11? Bush administration.
Who had their fingers on the button so to say, in particular the timing of US wargames in Iceland? Bush administration.
Who won the contract to rebuild Iraq after the US invasion? Bush administration.
Who clearly lied about WMD's in Iraq? Bush administration.

9/11 Truth is not a conspiracy theory, it's common sense.

Logic? That seems to be in short supply here, but in response to your crazy talk

1) Who benefited? A terrorist organisation struck back at their perceived enemy in the most sensational circumstances. Osama was pretty happy with the result.

2) Can you tell me when and where was the last set of war games the US conducted? When is the next? These HUGE armies probably have war games/manoeuvres/operations going on all the bloody time. But then so does China and Russia, it just so happens one was going on at the time of the attacks.

3) Of course they did, that is shameful, and I don't think anyone could say that war was legal or right, but once they were in, what option did they have? Give all the contracts to the French? The Russians and Chinese? No chance. So what other companies have the resources and technical know how to build an oil infrastructure up from scratch? American and British

4) And yes they lied, but hindsight is 20/20

And of course the CIA did have a finger in the pie, because they're the daft fuckers that trained, equipped and funded the Mujahadeen against Russia, that much is true.

But there is no conspiracy here, instead there is decades of poor management, short sighted strategy, misguided fanaticism, no understanding of the mentality of the people involved, and lack of accountability.
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« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2012, 14:43:37 »

TIME mate your losing it.

And please stop with the 'retard logic' thing. it truly makes you look like a child that can't back up or understand its own arguments. Its a juvenile defense and simply detracts from any valid reasoning you put forward, its the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'blahblahblahblah'.

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TIME mate your losing it.

And please stop with the 'retard logic' thing. it truly makes you look like a child that can't back up or understand its own arguments. Its a juvenile defense and simply detracts from any valid reasoning you put forward, its the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'blahblahblahblah'.

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TIME mate your losing it.

And please stop with the 'retard logic' thing. it truly makes you look like a child that can't back up or understand its own arguments. Its a juvenile defense and simply detracts from any valid reasoning you put forward, its the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'blahblahblahblah'.

And this is from someone that actually knows you.



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TIME mate your losing it.

And please stop with the 'retard logic' thing. it truly makes you look like a child that can't back up or understand its own arguments. Its a juvenile defense and simply detracts from any valid reasoning you put forward, its the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'blahblahblahblah'.

And this is from someone that actually knows you.

"mate" lol

BUT

The molten metal pouring out of the windows prior to collapse...

The witness testimony...

The Silverstein insurance plans....

The dancing Israelis....

The asbestos-condemnation of WTC 1 and 2....

All of the warnings that were reported by various people....

The fucking passport that the FBI recovered....

Immediate 'knowledge' of Bin Laden's obvious hand in this....

The drills on that day....

NORAD standing down....

The ritualistic significance of the event....

The PNAC document...

The priorexistence of the 1000+ page dubiously named "Patriot Act"...

The 2 Trillion $ that were admitted missing on 9/10.....

The invasion of Afghanistan on standby....

These are all ADMITTED truths.





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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2012, 15:08:16 »

How much weed, in ounces, do you get through in an average week?
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2012, 15:09:05 »

And this is from someone that actually knows you.

And no you frikkin well dont!
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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2012, 15:14:40 »

Time you will conform. You are sentenced to service and slaughtering the middle east infidels. God bless this free country. Have a nice day.
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Time you will conform. You are sentenced to service and slaughtering the middle east infidels. God bless this free country. Have a nice day.

I'm free to do as they tell me.. yay!
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« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2012, 15:32:42 »

Probably goingto need to see your sources for these, seeing as they are ADMITTED

BUT

The molten metal pouring out of the windows prior to collapse...              Is this from video footage? Pretty sure a fire caused by a plane with all it's fuel would melt most metals

The witness testimony...                                                                      Stating what?

The Silverstein insurance plans....                                                        These buildings were insured? Pretty sure most buildings are insured.

The dancing Israelis....                                                                         Wouldn't you dance knowing that your sworn enemies have just declared war on the most powerful nation on earth?

The asbestos-condemnation of WTC 1 and 2....                                     So the government thought it would be cheaper to CRASH PLANES into the building, because of all the asbestos?

All of the warnings that were reported by various people....                     Bet they had a ton of false warnings before the event, bet they still get a load of false warnings now.

The fucking passport that the FBI recovered....                                       Passport?

Immediate 'knowledge' of Bin Laden's obvious hand in this....                   Osama set up his network of terrorists so that he wouldn't have intimate knowledge of any plans, but he can still claim them

The drills on that day....                                                                       They probably have drills every day

NORAD standing down....                                                                     Because who the fuck would believe what was happening? Their whole system couldn't cope with the idea of an attack from within

The ritualistic significance of the event....                                              What ritual?

The PNAC document...                                                                        Which part? That they hoped for a new Pearl Harbour? They clearly stated that it would trigger a movement to dominate world politics, why wouldn't they?

The priorexistence of the 1000+ page dubiously named "Patriot Act"...     Those things float around Congress/Pentagon/White House continually. Never heard of their plan to attack Canada? It's called planning

The 2 Trillion $ that were admitted missing on 9/10.....                            Missing from where? And why would that have an affect?

The invasion of Afghanistan on standby....                                              On standby? No it wasn't. The war was conducted by local forces backed up by planes.

These are all ADMITTED truths.                                                    Lay. Off. The. Weed.


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« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2012, 15:59:46 »

I promised I wouldn't bother getting involved in this thread again  Tongue
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No but seriously..

is it possible for a natural collapse to resemble a controlled demolition?
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I don't think so - the conditions for this type of fall have to be very precise,
please detail the, no doubt, extensive education and subsequent work experience you have had in analysing the behaviour of usual large structures which allow you to make that statement. I'm sure it will be a highly impressive C/V given only an incredibly arrogant fool would dare to question the carefully considered conclusions of genuine experts writting in peer reviewed and respected journals, based on a few well edited( but essentially filled with meaningless fluff and spin) YouTube videos and sod all else of any real substance  

blowing ALL support columns equally at the same time

Depending on what exactly you mean by the same time, this is pretty much what the experts actually agree happened, indeed you can watch it happen on YouTube. The only thing is, the actual experts agree that the cause of them all failing at the same time was they were supporting an incredibly heavy top of a building while surrounded by fire.

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Seriously I studdied structures for nearly two years and I was still pretty clueless by the end. For you to assume you can understand how a seriously advanced building (for it's time) works/failed/should have failed without years of dedicated study is akin to me assuming I can do a heart-by-pass operation because Ive watched a few episodes of holby city.
If you can find me one paper written by a structural engineer and published in a real, relevant journal that has a serious problem with the plane-hit-building-causing-collapse theory then I'll owe you an apology but until then I call bullshit.
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« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2012, 16:20:40 »

Probably goingto need to see your sources for these, seeing as they are ADMITTED

BUT

The molten metal pouring out of the windows prior to collapse...              Is this from video footage? Pretty sure a fire caused by a plane with all it's fuel would melt most metals

The witness testimony...                                                                      Stating what?

The Silverstein insurance plans....                                                        These buildings were insured? Pretty sure most buildings are insured.

The dancing Israelis....                                                                         Wouldn't you dance knowing that your sworn enemies have just declared war on the most powerful nation on earth?

The asbestos-condemnation of WTC 1 and 2....                                     So the government thought it would be cheaper to CRASH PLANES into the building, because of all the asbestos?

All of the warnings that were reported by various people....                     Bet they had a ton of false warnings before the event, bet they still get a load of false warnings now.

The fucking passport that the FBI recovered....                                       Passport?

Immediate 'knowledge' of Bin Laden's obvious hand in this....                   Osama set up his network of terrorists so that he wouldn't have intimate knowledge of any plans, but he can still claim them

The drills on that day....                                                                       They probably have drills every day

NORAD standing down....                                                                     Because who the fuck would believe what was happening? Their whole system couldn't cope with the idea of an attack from within

The ritualistic significance of the event....                                              What ritual?

The PNAC document...                                                                        Which part? That they hoped for a new Pearl Harbour? They clearly stated that it would trigger a movement to dominate world politics, why wouldn't they?

The priorexistence of the 1000+ page dubiously named "Patriot Act"...     Those things float around Congress/Pentagon/White House continually. Never heard of their plan to attack Canada? It's called planning

The 2 Trillion $ that were admitted missing on 9/10.....                            Missing from where? And why would that have an affect?

The invasion of Afghanistan on standby....                                              On standby? No it wasn't. The war was conducted by local forces backed up by planes.

These are all ADMITTED truths.                                                    Lay. Off. The. Weed.




Well that changes everything.

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« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2012, 18:28:58 »

Probably goingto need to see your sources for these, seeing as they are ADMITTED

BUT

The molten metal pouring out of the windows prior to collapse...              Is this from video footage? Pretty sure a fire caused by a plane with all it's fuel would melt most metals

The witness testimony...                                                                      Stating what?

The Silverstein insurance plans....                                                        These buildings were insured? Pretty sure most buildings are insured.

The dancing Israelis....                                                                         Wouldn't you dance knowing that your sworn enemies have just declared war on the most powerful nation on earth?

The asbestos-condemnation of WTC 1 and 2....                                     So the government thought it would be cheaper to CRASH PLANES into the building, because of all the asbestos?

All of the warnings that were reported by various people....                     Bet they had a ton of false warnings before the event, bet they still get a load of false warnings now.

The fucking passport that the FBI recovered....                                       Passport?

Immediate 'knowledge' of Bin Laden's obvious hand in this....                   Osama set up his network of terrorists so that he wouldn't have intimate knowledge of any plans, but he can still claim them

The drills on that day....                                                                       They probably have drills every day

NORAD standing down....                                                                     Because who the fuck would believe what was happening? Their whole system couldn't cope with the idea of an attack from within

The ritualistic significance of the event....                                              What ritual?

The PNAC document...                                                                        Which part? That they hoped for a new Pearl Harbour? They clearly stated that it would trigger a movement to dominate world politics, why wouldn't they?

The priorexistence of the 1000+ page dubiously named "Patriot Act"...     Those things float around Congress/Pentagon/White House continually. Never heard of their plan to attack Canada? It's called planning

The 2 Trillion $ that were admitted missing on 9/10.....                            Missing from where? And why would that have an affect?

The invasion of Afghanistan on standby....                                              On standby? No it wasn't. The war was conducted by local forces backed up by planes.

These are all ADMITTED truths.                                                    Lay. Off. The. Weed.




Well that changes everything.



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« Reply #65 on: February 15, 2012, 10:09:03 »

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Explain why you think its ok to lie and say you know me please.





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But there is no conspiracy here, instead there is decades of poor management, short sighted strategy, misguided fanaticism, no understanding of the mentality of the people involved, and lack of accountability.

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Something i said from day one, this is mismanagement, and people (american public wanting justice) need to recognise this as the main point. While the USofA was busy robbing the rest of the world with its fancy pants shock economic theories, others chose to fight the inequality (in an extreme way) that was being produced as part of that mismanagement and that systems theorised mentality. Bush is accountable for that mismanagement and so to are his staff at the time, as bongo says "there is no conspiracy here" this is because everything is in the public domain, what isnt in the domain is the sound judgement linking all the pieces together.
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« Reply #67 on: February 15, 2012, 11:06:09 »

Indeed Wes, But also some words before people brand anything "conspiracy" :

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Cabal, an association between religious, political, or tribal officials to further their own ends, usually by intrigue
Conspiracy (civil), an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage
Conspiracy (crime), an agreement between persons to break the law in the future, in some cases having committed an act to further that agreement
Conspiracy (political), the overthrow of a government
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http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/article/dn21444-mind-control-could-be-future-of-warfare.html
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« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2012, 20:02:54 »

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Explain why you think its ok to lie and say you know me please.

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Explain why you think its ok to lie and say you know me please.

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I know logic is an unfathomable premise to you, but how could you possibly know that he doesn't?
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« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2012, 08:50:42 »

Or maybe just PM him?
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Explain why you think its ok to lie and say you know me please.

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I know logic is an unfathomable premise to you, but how could you possibly know that he doesn't?

Seriously? At what point do you fight through your normalcy bias, stop sucking the government's flagpole, and start asking questions?
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« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2012, 09:11:03 »

Or maybe just PM him?

I wanted him to explain why he thinks it's cool to lie on this thread, no need for a PM, but as he's ducking this thread that's not going to happen it seems.
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« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2012, 09:32:33 »

Well PM him then. If he hasn't seen your question, how can he respond?
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« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2012, 09:39:17 »

@SmokelifeSundaySessions

Explain why you think its ok to lie and say you know me please.

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Seriously? At what point do you fight through your normalcy bias, stop sucking the government's flagpole, and start asking questions?

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« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2012, 09:39:45 »

Well PM him then. If he hasn't seen your question, how can he respond?

Will PM a link to this thread  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #77 on: February 17, 2012, 09:49:01 »

If you don't know who he is, then how can you know he doesn't know you? And if you do know who he is, wouldn't he also know you? More importantly, how can you be sure you know you? Maybe he knows you and you don't. I don't think you've thought this through mate.
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If you don't know who he is, then how can you know he doesn't know you? And if you do know who he is, wouldn't he also know you? More importantly, how can you be sure you know you? Maybe he knows you and you don't. I don't think you've thought this through mate.

I know who the poster is and no he doesn't know me, hence wanting the explanation as to why he thinks it's coo de la to lie  Two Thumbs
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If you don't know who he is, then how can you know he doesn't know you? And if you do know who he is, wouldn't he also know you? More importantly, how can you be sure you know you? Maybe he knows you and you don't. I don't think you've thought this through mate.
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« Reply #80 on: February 17, 2012, 10:10:08 »

How much weed, in ounces, do you get through in an average week?

I think you should answer this question if you want yours answered  Two Thumbs

At what point do you fight through your normalcy bias, stop sucking the government's flagpole, and start asking questions?

AKA - wake up sheeple!

Mr Time, all you do in these threads is make yourself look fucking simple, its top class self trolling. I personally hope you continue, its very amusing.
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How much weed, in ounces, do you get through in an average week?

I think you should answer this question if you want yours answered  Two Thumbs

At what point do you fight through your normalcy bias, stop sucking the government's flagpole, and start asking questions?

AKA - wake up sheeple!

Mr Time, all you do in these threads is make yourself look fucking simple, its top class self trolling. I personally hope you continue, its very amusing.


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Stop defending your initial reactionary beliefs and THINK.

Ahh, I see your capitals, and i raise you MASSIVE CAPITALS

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

If you have been trying to wake something up for 11 years it is probably time to stop. It is not asleep, it is dead.
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« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2012, 10:28:26 »

Zeitgeist has a lot to answer for.

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Stop defending your initial reactionary beliefs and THINK.

Ahh, I see your capitals, and i raise you MASSIVE CAPITALS

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

If you have been trying to wake something up for 11 years it is probably time to stop. It is not asleep, it is dead.

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« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2012, 18:07:50 »

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« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2012, 18:21:09 »

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« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2012, 21:22:17 »

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« Reply #89 on: February 22, 2012, 07:56:12 »

Zeitgeist has a lot to answer for.

Cracking film though.

Wrong, i think your after a film called 'loose change', sponsored by the right wingers as a counterweight to zitgit.
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« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2012, 08:15:55 »

Trying to find a balanced view on 9/11 is like trying to find a suicide girl that wasn't touched by their uncle
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« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2012, 11:33:59 »

Just a quick reminder of how fucked up shit can get

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/6xEK16kLHsM?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_GB" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/6xEK16kLHsM?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_GB</a>

For this to be remarkable, you really need to find more data. In particular, how often did this happen? JFK regularly toured cities, so was this as uncommon as is being made out?

Do you have a statement from the senior guy? Did he say why he ordered those men off? Did the agents describe why they were ordered off the car?

If I was as interested as you about this, I would do some serious digging.

But if you're like most of the conspiracy nuts I've come across, actually digging for some hard evidence isn't what interests you.
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« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2012, 11:36:27 »

Everyone should watch this  Two Thumbs

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2011/11/21/opinion/100000001183275/the-umbrella-man.html
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« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2012, 11:50:53 »


That's awesome. Who knew something good would come of this thread?
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« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2012, 12:22:25 »


Got to the point where he was about to tell us why Witt was carrying the brolly before the video broke and I can't get it started again. Fancy giving me the gist of the vid?
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« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2012, 12:32:03 »


Got to the point where he was about to tell us why Witt was carrying the brolly before the video broke and I can't get it started again. Fancy giving me the gist of the vid?

Turns out the guy with the brolly DID shoot JFK ergo all conspiracy theories are true.



Nah, was some bizarre one-man protest against JFK's dad's policies. Point being that if you think you've discounted all non-sinister explanations for something weird, you probably haven't.
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« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2012, 12:34:51 »


Got to the point where he was about to tell us why Witt was carrying the brolly before the video broke and I can't get it started again. Fancy giving me the gist of the vid?

Turns out the guy with the brolly DID shoot JFK ergo all conspiracy theories are true.



Nah, was some bizarre one-man protest against JFK's dad's policies. Point being that if you think you've discounted all non-sinister explanations for something weird, you probably haven't.

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« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2012, 12:36:48 »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_Man_(JFK_assassination)
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« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2012, 13:38:29 »


That's brilliant.  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2012, 14:23:09 »


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« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2012, 21:04:35 »

Bunch of morons in this thread^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2012, 23:02:08 »

 
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« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2012, 23:30:21 »

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« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2012, 00:18:41 »

Ah, John Updike.
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« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2012, 02:32:30 »

Bunch of morons in this thread^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Did you find that evidence? About the regularity of removing agents from the Presidents car?

Didn't think so. You are lazy, simple minded and easily led.

Do some of your own research
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« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2012, 08:14:10 »

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Did you find that evidence? About the regularity of removing agents from the Presidents car?

Didn't think so. You are lazy, simple minded and easily led.

Do some of your own research

Dude, it is not my job to think for you.
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« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2012, 08:52:33 »

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« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2012, 09:58:09 »

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Did you find that evidence? About the regularity of removing agents from the Presidents car?

Didn't think so. You are lazy, simple minded and easily led.

Do some of your own research

Dude, it is not my job to think for you.

I think he was asking you to think for yourself, not the other way around.
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« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2012, 10:22:31 »

This whole 9/11 debate reminds me of when a fight breaks out in cartoons.

When the smoke clears there is no sign of the instigator, just two guys that are on the same team brawling on the floor.

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« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2012, 16:12:09 »

Holy fucking shit.

The enormity of the truth finally dawned on you're fragile mind then eh?
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« Reply #111 on: February 23, 2012, 16:13:08 »

Holy fucking shit.

The enormity of the truth finally dawned on you're fragile mind then eh?

*your
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« Reply #112 on: February 23, 2012, 19:35:00 »

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« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2012, 21:00:06 »

Holy fucking shit.

The enormity of the truth finally dawned on you're fragile mind then eh?

*your

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« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2012, 21:57:33 »


No, that one actually would be "you're".
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« Reply #115 on: February 24, 2012, 22:14:45 »

I reckon it was this guy:

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« Reply #117 on: April 26, 2014, 18:03:59 »

So you're saying it was the twin towers that crashed into the plane....mmm interesting
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree
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