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« Reply #150 on: April 22, 2011, 23:29:26 »

There were two fire engines at the other end of Stokes Croft parked up in the road opposite the Full Moon just after 10pm.  I drove past  them to get home as the other end of Stokes Croft was blocked off.

OK but surely if the police had prior knowledge of petrol being stored at that address it would make sense to move in with the fire brigade up front first just in case the place caught fire. Also the local community would have much more sympathy with an operation involving the fire brigade.
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« Reply #151 on: April 22, 2011, 23:46:06 »

Anyone who believes the story about the petrol bombs answer me this: where were the fire engines? I saw countless riot vans, ambulances, mounted police officers, etc. but I don't remember seeing a single fire engine. Did anybody else? Imagine if someone had decided in a moment of panic to use one of the alleged petrol bombs, how on earth would the police have put the fire out given that the roads were heavily congested with police vehicles and there was no clear way for fire engines to gain access to the site? It was highly irresponsible of the police force to put members of the public in danger in this way, not to mention their own police officers. If you were involved in an operation involving PETROL would you not want to have the fire brigade present? I would call on the person in charge of this operation to account for this glaringly obvious error of judgement.

There was a fire engine stationed outside of Blue Lagoon up on Gloucester Road. Probably didn't want it in the main area until there was a fire as it takes up a load of space and is susceptible to being wrecked by knobheads. Plus having a fire engine stationed on standby at all is a big thing. It leaves the rest of the city down a rig all night, so they'd want it stationed away from the action where it could respond elsewhere if needed.

So yes. I am inclined to believe at least that the police, honestly and without ulterior motive, believed the petrol bombs story. Whether it turns out to be true is a matter for a judge, not the police. But given that there was indeed a fire engine in a sensible place most of the night I do think they honestly thought there were petrol bombs. Also, whether it was in bomb form or not they did remove petrol from the squat. Its not illegal to own petrol, of course. But who keeps it in the house? Particularly when local residents claim it was a large enough petrol can to see clearly from the ground when it was being waved about on the roof. Not likely to be a 5 litre jerry can that you get from the garage when you run out.
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« Reply #152 on: April 22, 2011, 23:48:03 »

 I just saw them there around 10pm. I have no idea what that means, if anything.
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« Reply #153 on: April 22, 2011, 23:48:55 »

Anyone who believes the story about the petrol bombs answer me this: where were the fire engines? I saw countless riot vans, ambulances, mounted police officers, etc. but I don't remember seeing a single fire engine. Did anybody else? Imagine if someone had decided in a moment of panic to use one of the alleged petrol bombs, how on earth would the police have put the fire out given that the roads were heavily congested with police vehicles and there was no clear way for fire engines to gain access to the site? It was highly irresponsible of the police force to put members of the public in danger in this way, not to mention their own police officers. If you were involved in an operation involving PETROL would you not want to have the fire brigade present? I would call on the person in charge of this operation to account for this glaringly obvious error of judgement.

There was a fire engine stationed at the Zetland road junction.   Doh!
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« Reply #154 on: April 22, 2011, 23:49:42 »

So, Zetland Rd, and other end of Stokes Croft.
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« Reply #155 on: April 22, 2011, 23:50:12 »

That's four so far then. Fire engines all over the bastard place.
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« Reply #156 on: April 23, 2011, 00:00:47 »

There were two fire engines at the other end of Stokes Croft parked up in the road opposite the Full Moon just after 10pm.  I drove past  them to get home as the other end of Stokes Croft was blocked off.

OK but surely if the police had prior knowledge of petrol being stored at that address it would make sense to move in with the fire brigade up front first just in case the place caught fire. Also the local community would have much more sympathy with an operation involving the fire brigade.

Yes, those lovely rioters would have definitely calmed down in the face of a fire engine and some nice firemen.   Doh! Doh! Doh!
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« Reply #157 on: April 23, 2011, 00:08:23 »

There's a fire engine up the road as well. Traffic blocked off right up to the arches, saw at least 15 police vans. What a massive fucking waste of money, twats.

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« Reply #158 on: April 23, 2011, 00:26:32 »

I was at Cafe Kino at 9pm, and at that time there were no police, no protestors and no fire engines. By about half past nine all I could see in all three directions (up cheltenham road, down stokes croft and up nine tree hill) were police vehicles, ambulances and members of the the general public. At that time there would be no way a fire engine could gain access to the squat.
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« Reply #159 on: April 23, 2011, 00:35:17 »

I was at Cafe Kino at 9pm, and at that time there were no police, no protestors and no fire engines. By about half past nine all I could see in all three directions (up cheltenham road, down stokes croft and up nine tree hill) were police vehicles, ambulances and members of the the general public. At that time there would be no way a fire engine could gain access to the squat.

Really!!

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« Reply #160 on: April 23, 2011, 00:46:41 »

There were two fire engines at the other end of Stokes Croft parked up in the road opposite the Full Moon just after 10pm.  I drove past  them to get home as the other end of Stokes Croft was blocked off.

OK but surely if the police had prior knowledge of petrol being stored at that address it would make sense to move in with the fire brigade up front first just in case the place caught fire. Also the local community would have much more sympathy with an operation involving the fire brigade.

Yes, those lovely rioters would have definitely calmed down in the face of a fire engine and some nice firemen.   Doh! Doh! Doh!

by rioters, you mean members of the general public who naturally congregated because the road was blocked? yeh they probably would have kicked off even sooner if the fire brigade were there to deal with hazardous petrol
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« Reply #161 on: April 23, 2011, 02:28:28 »

I was at Cafe Kino at 9pm, and at that time there were no police, no protestors and no fire engines. By about half past nine all I could see in all three directions (up cheltenham road, down stokes croft and up nine tree hill) were police vehicles, ambulances and members of the the general public. At that time there would be no way a fire engine could gain access to the squat.

Really!!

Batman your time machine seems to be working well.  Two Thumbs

Good point, but remember, I was sitting in the cafe at 9pm, and I could see the site of the squat from the window. Batman was further up the road and witnessed what was probably the preparation for the raid but he couldn't possibly have seen the squat from the arches could he? I am guessing they waited further up the road until the road block was in place at the end of Ashley Road before moving closer to the squat shortly after nine. Maybe there was something going on before I got there that was quickly dispersed but it seems unlikely.

Anyway, my point still stands, the police seem to have sealed off the area with a road block at either end and kept the fire engines outside the perimeter. If petrol bombs were a serious threat, it makes sense to me to keep access clear for the fire brigade to enter, but as soon as the road blocks were in place they created a huge bottle neck that would have stopped the fire engines getting through.

I would be interested to know if anyone saw a fire engine inside the perimeter that would have been able to get the scene quickly and easily?
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« Reply #162 on: April 23, 2011, 06:32:49 »

There were no fire engines at all, except the 4.

I smell a conspiracy!
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« Reply #163 on: April 23, 2011, 06:46:42 »

There was a fire engine on the grassy knoll outside the Polish church..which is just DOWN AND TO THE LEFT
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« Reply #164 on: April 23, 2011, 07:34:06 »

There was a fire engine on the grassy knoll outside the Polish church..which is just DOWN AND TO THE LEFT
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« Reply #165 on: April 23, 2011, 07:48:05 »

Quite funny from twitter....

David_CameronPM I'm going to build a big wall around #stokescroft to create a Socialist Utopian state. A bit like Monaco - only a complete shit hole

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« Reply #166 on: April 23, 2011, 08:04:49 »

I was at the roadblock at the Kwik fit end of the action. Various emergency vehicles had no trouble getting in and out. In half an hour I saw ambulance, mobile cctv and a dog unit come and go thru the crowd. Fire engine would have had no trouble getting in from that end, none at all. Crowd were happy to stand aside.
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« Reply #167 on: April 23, 2011, 08:06:14 »

Quite funny from twitter....

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« Reply #168 on: April 23, 2011, 08:37:17 »

I know if I read the 20 page Tesco thread I would want to stick around....
Indeed.
Let's keep blabbering on about fire engines for a few pages too.
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« Reply #169 on: April 23, 2011, 08:48:58 »

I know if I read the 20 page Tesco thread I would want to stick around....
Indeed.
Let's keep blabbering on about fire engines for a few pages too.
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« Reply #170 on: April 23, 2011, 09:09:02 »

I know if I read the 20 page Tesco thread I would want to stick around....
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« Reply #171 on: April 23, 2011, 09:12:00 »

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« Reply #172 on: April 23, 2011, 09:22:29 »

Is it time to post pictures of kittens yet?

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Is it time to post pictures of kittens yet?

Not just yet. I think we might now be entering into the inflammatory* part of the thread. You cunt.

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« Reply #174 on: April 23, 2011, 09:24:28 »

Is it time to post pictures of kittens yet?



did a search for kitten riot.... apart from singer song writter, I got this !
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« Reply #175 on: April 23, 2011, 09:41:16 »

There were two fire engines at the other end of Stokes Croft parked up in the road opposite the Full Moon just after 10pm.  I drove past  them to get home as the other end of Stokes Croft was blocked off.

OK but surely if the police had prior knowledge of petrol being stored at that address it would make sense to move in with the fire brigade up front first just in case the place caught fire. Also the local community would have much more sympathy with an operation involving the fire brigade.



Yes, those lovely rioters would have definitely calmed down in the face of a fire engine and some nice firemen.   Doh! Doh! Doh!

That wouldnt have surprised me , what with all the girls there.
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« Reply #176 on: April 23, 2011, 09:45:17 »

Quite funny from twitter....

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« Reply #177 on: April 23, 2011, 11:48:03 »

I was at the roadblock at the Kwik fit end of the action. Various emergency vehicles had no trouble getting in and out. In half an hour I saw ambulance, mobile cctv and a dog unit come and go thru the crowd. Fire engine would have had no trouble getting in from that end, none at all. Crowd were happy to stand aside.

Ah OK, it didn't look like that from the other end, it looked pretty impenetrable coming up from town and no sign of the fire brigade at all which was a pretty scary thought. Good job the other end was clear and no houses / people did catch fire.

I am not convinced this was just about petrol bombs, the response just seemed inappropriate for that. I am not into conspiracy theories I just think framing the event as an issue to do with petrol bombs is a convenient way of summarizing the event for the media, and as such it should not really be taken as a definitive explanation. The conspicuous lack of a fire engine right outside the squat, and the sheer volume of police vehicles on the scene before any large crowds had even gathered made me think that although there may have been a real risk of fire, the police were also preparing for some serious opposition to what they were doing, and this has not yet been fully explained.
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« Reply #178 on: April 23, 2011, 12:04:00 »

I know if I read the 20 page Tesco thread I would want to stick around....
Indeed.
Let's keep blabbering on about fire engines for a few pages too.
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WONT ANYONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE FIRE ENGINES!?
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« Reply #179 on: April 23, 2011, 12:06:40 »

Anyone who believes the story about the petrol bombs answer me this: where were the fire engines? I saw countless riot vans, ambulances, mounted police officers, etc. but I don't remember seeing a single fire engine. Did anybody else? Imagine if someone had decided in a moment of panic to use one of the alleged petrol bombs, how on earth would the police have put the fire out given that the roads were heavily congested with police vehicles and there was no clear way for fire engines to gain access to the site? It was highly irresponsible of the police force to put members of the public in danger in this way, not to mention their own police officers. If you were involved in an operation involving PETROL would you not want to have the fire brigade present? I would call on the person in charge of this operation to account for this glaringly obvious error of judgement.

there were fire engines parked a bit further down, near club uk..
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« Reply #180 on: April 23, 2011, 12:24:44 »

Doh! if you think last night was about one tesco or one squat


This, basically.


Fucking hell. Please just say this information that some of us are apparently missing out on? Don't be so bastard evasive. I might well turn out to be on your side if I was party to whatever way of thinking it is that you're accusing me of not being party to.

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« Reply #181 on: April 23, 2011, 12:31:53 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.
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Fucking hell. Please just say this information that some of us are apparently missing out on? Don't be so bastard evasive. I might well turn out to be on your side if I was party to whatever way of thinking it is that you're accusing me of not being party to.

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« Reply #183 on: April 23, 2011, 13:14:45 »

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/TOLD/article-3482105-detail/article.html

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"When 300 people congregated and a small minority from that group started small fires and throwing bottles, stones and other items at officers, we used well-rehearsed plans, which involved the use of officers from neighbouring forces to control what had become a volatile situation."

Someone correct me if i'm wrong... but people only started congregating when the police turned up.... and the police from neighbouring areas were there BEFORE people started fires and throwing bottles.

They created the volatile situation, not vice versa
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« Reply #184 on: April 23, 2011, 13:20:58 »

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/TOLD/article-3482105-detail/article.html

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"When 300 people congregated and a small minority from that group started small fires and throwing bottles, stones and other items at officers, we used well-rehearsed plans, which involved the use of officers from neighbouring forces to control what had become a volatile situation."

Someone correct me if i'm wrong... but people only started congregating when the police turned up.... and the police from neighbouring areas were there BEFORE people started fires and throwing bottles.

They created the volatile situation, not vice versa
After speaking to loads of people about this over the past few days and going by what I saw myself I would say that the riot would not have started at all if the police had not arrived.
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« Reply #185 on: April 23, 2011, 13:23:20 »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Riots#Queen_Square_riots.2C_1831



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« Reply #186 on: April 23, 2011, 13:25:03 »

Might as well drop this in here:
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We had a film night planned for Wednesday already but we've changed the program to focus on the riot.
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« Reply #187 on: April 23, 2011, 13:25:11 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.

Uk-uncut.... USuncut...... lol at that shit, might want to check who funds these cnuts
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« Reply #188 on: April 23, 2011, 13:27:25 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.

Uk-uncut.... USuncut...... lol at that shit, might want to check who funds these cnuts

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« Reply #189 on: April 23, 2011, 13:33:30 »

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After speaking to loads of people about this over the past few days and going by what I saw myself I would say that the riot would not have started at all if the police had not arrived.

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« Reply #190 on: April 23, 2011, 13:34:14 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.

Uk-uncut.... USuncut...... lol at that shit, might want to check who funds these cnuts

Who funds those cunts then?

I'm guessing it's cunts.
Is it Wes?
Is it cunts?

Those cunts.
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« Reply #191 on: April 23, 2011, 13:35:36 »

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/TOLD/article-3482105-detail/article.html

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"When 300 people congregated and a small minority from that group started small fires and throwing bottles, stones and other items at officers, we used well-rehearsed plans, which involved the use of officers from neighbouring forces to control what had become a volatile situation."

Someone correct me if i'm wrong... but people only started congregating when the police turned up.... and the police from neighbouring areas were there BEFORE people started fires and throwing bottles.

They created the volatile situation, not vice versa
After speaking to loads of people about this over the past few days and going by what I saw myself I would say that the riot would not have started at all if the police had not arrived.

Exactly.


Some chump just invited me to an event on facebook inciting more rioting on May 1st ... quoting....

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May 1st "international workers day.. The war against the corporate invasion by Tesco has begun.. There should be NO let up until Tesco consider that it's no longer worth their effort.. Let's lead by example show the rest of Britain what can be done to reclaim our streets & drive the global bloodsuckers out... from Benghazi to Bristol dissent is the order of the day !


..... because Stokes Croft is like Benghazi?!  Doh! Doh! Doh! Doh! Doh! Doh!
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« Reply #192 on: April 23, 2011, 13:36:28 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.

Uk-uncut.... USuncut...... lol at that shit, might want to check who funds these cnuts

Who funds those cunts then?


well... they also fund the tea baggers and many other far right groups in america and the edl and the wdl here (there has also been mention of bnp too), it starts with G ends with P and have been in league with the labour party since the early 90's, they use church orgs and groups to push through their ideas and side step taxation in the progress.
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« Reply #193 on: April 23, 2011, 13:39:34 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.

Uk-uncut.... USuncut...... lol at that shit, might want to check who funds these cnuts

Who funds those cunts then?


well... they also fund the tea baggers and many other far right groups in america and the edl and the wdl here (there has also been mention of bnp too), it starts with G ends with P and have been in league with the labour party since the early 90's, they use church orgs and groups to push through their ideas and side step taxation in the progress.



what cunts!
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« Reply #194 on: April 23, 2011, 13:42:02 »

I was in the pub opposite the squat as they evicted it. Never seen such a huge police presence, massively over the top. And it was to evict 4 squatters, who were free to leave on their own, so the talk of petrol bombs being stashed there can't really be true, can it?

If they'd have done this in the middle of the day, or early hours of the morning it would have passed by without any of the damage or violence. Doing it at 9pm on the start of a bank holiday weekend, and have riot police barricade the Stokes Croft / Ashley Road Junction is asking for trouble...

I don't in any way condone any of the damage or violence, and I couldn't care less about the Tesco situation, but think they police have fucked up massively with the timing and manner of their eviction. Muppets!

It wouldn't surprise me if one of those 'suspected' petrol bombers was an undercover police scum bastard, and the best , most logical way to remove said officer is to arrest him or her as a provocateur , this ensures their identity is kept under wraps and allows him or her to infiltrate more activists. (id bet on that actually)
You really do love your ludicrous conspiracy theories don't you  Laugh

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« Reply #195 on: April 23, 2011, 13:49:22 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.

Uk-uncut.... USuncut...... lol at that shit, might want to check who funds these cnuts

Who funds those cunts then?


well... they also fund the tea baggers and many other far right groups in america and the edl and the wdl here (there has also been mention of bnp too), it starts with G ends with P and have been in league with the labour party since the early 90's, they use church orgs and groups to push through their ideas and side step taxation in the progress.





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« Reply #196 on: April 23, 2011, 13:54:36 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.

Uk-uncut.... USuncut...... lol at that shit, might want to check who funds these cnuts

Who funds those cunts then?


well... they also fund the tea baggers and many other far right groups in america and the edl and the wdl here (there has also been mention of bnp too),it starts with G ends with P and have been in league with the labour party since the early 90's, they use church orgs and groups to push through their ideas and side step taxation in the progress.

Why can't you just say who you think funds all that shit?

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« Reply #197 on: April 23, 2011, 14:03:01 »

it starts with G ends with P and have been in league with the labour party since the early 90's, they use church orgs and groups to push through their ideas and side step taxation in the progress.
How many syllables?
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« Reply #198 on: April 23, 2011, 14:06:32 »

UK Uncut just tweeted this:

Bristol call out: would anyone who witnessed the Tesco protest like to speak to the Sunday Times about it? If so, email UK Uncut.

Uk-uncut.... USuncut...... lol at that shit, might want to check who funds these cnuts

Who funds those cunts then?


well... they also fund the tea baggers and many other far right groups in america and the edl and the wdl here (there has also been mention of bnp too), it starts with G ends with P and have been in league with the labour party since the early 90's, they use church orgs and groups to push through their ideas and side step taxation in the progress.

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« Reply #199 on: April 23, 2011, 14:09:38 »

Quite funny from twitter....

David_CameronPM I'm going to build a big wall around #stokescroft to create a Socialist Utopian state. A bit like Monaco - only a complete shit hole

Anyway, with Stokes Croft getting national attention from retards and revolutionaries alike, hopefully Rit's search engine optimisation magic will entice some fresh meat to Hijack. I know if I read the 20 page Tesco thread I would want to stick around....

Is that the optimization the chrashes my computer  Angry

No, thats THEM.  OMG Death Star!!!11
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