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Steady Ruxbin
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« on: December 29, 2010, 13:44:01 »

Hello,

I am really trying to get into my production at the moment but I seriously lack in the musical theory side of things...

Got some new Rex loops in Reason and the descriptions have a key against them: synth 1 Gm - I presume this is g minor? i am familiar with seeing keys but have no fooking idea what I should be doing with them. If something is in g minor does that mean that i should only be using notes within the g minor scale? if so how do i do that? what are the limittions/guidelines?

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John

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2010, 14:07:48 »

try here for a start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2010, 13:11:52 »

you can use gm as a starting point but no need to stick to the harmonic minor scale , the circle of fifths is a good starting point , but definitely learn some basic theory, you can use chord substitions, Bb works with gm learning basic substitions arpeggios voicings will just open your music it takes time but there are lots of really good websites
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 11:08:49 »

I think it's a great idea to learn some theory but at the same time it's not absolutely necessary. You can go a long way just playing around and seeing what sounds good.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 11:40:04 »

What Gyu said basically!

though if you wanted it so all sound nice then you'd pick a key/scale which had a G minor in it.

If you're sticking to basic modal stuff this would be F Major, Eb Major and Bb Minor, or if you're putting the emphasis on the Gm then (G Dorian, G Phrygian and G Aeolian). (google modes of the major scales/harmonised major scale if i've lost you already...)

Each of the modes give a different feel or sound, so if you wanted it to sound pretty dull and standard pop ballard, I"d rock the notes of G Aeolian (Bb Major), if it was for a metal/dubstep/egyptian thing then I'd rock the G Phrygian (Eb Major) and if you're a man of sunshine lounging mellow jazz, you'll rock the G Dorian (F Major)

On a basic level these are your options

G A Bb C D E F G (G Dorian/F Major)

G Ab Bb C D Eb F G (G Phrygian/ Eb Major)

G A Bb C D Eb F G (G Aeolian/ Bb Major)

Just let the chord samples loop and play the above notes over the top and get a feel for which one you're into. Then you can just dick about with the notes for all your melodies and also make chords from the notes of the scale.

I have no idea if this has answered the question or not.....  Laugh

*disclaimer* - this is just one option tho, and the most important thing about music is that there's no right way or wrong way to do anything, and theory etc should be used for support/ as a tool, rather than a prescriptive way of how to do anything Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 12:25:41 »

Thanks for your help here guys. I have a lot to go with now and a lot to try to get my head around but I am determind to learn something! I was even considering some lessons - maybe piano but they are pretty expensive. Are there any other ways you would recommend to learn? should I just buy a book?

Thanks again
John
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 07:58:19 »

This is really good - http://ravenspiral.com/rsg2mt/rsg2mt.pdf
Looks at theory in a really practical way.
Yeah, I want to learn piano too. I just bought a casio LK-270, it's got light-up keys and teaches you how to play songs, pretty cool Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2011, 21:07:59 »

I agree on Gyu for 100%, well actually he is totally right, turning random knobs and see what the result brings is a great way to gain knowledge. On the other hand I have had 3 years of playing a bass guitar before I started learning to produce digital music. And knowing what notes do, what harmonics are all that basic stuff... it certainly is usefull. But if I hadnt been tought bass from a great teacher... I would have gone for the random knobs method Cheesy And books.

Also a tip, dont try to over-analyze what you're trying to make... after all music is all about expression.


EDIT: tip 2, arrange your music playing time like this: 20% theory, 80% practice: trial and error
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 09:34:19 »

This is new things for me. I want to know about it.
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