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« on: July 19, 2010, 09:36:34 »

... not reverb units so much, I'm more intrigued by reverb in application - i.e what settings do you use to get your reverbs sounding niiiice...

I'm intrigued as I'm going through the mixes for my album and finding that the reverb settings I use for one track sound great, but pretty much the exact same settings for another track and it sounds too loose or too boomy.

Am I right in thinking that longer reverb would usually sound better with slower beats - so the faster your track the snappier you want your reverb?

Any other thoughts on reverb application in general? It's quite a subtle art I find, share your tips!
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 09:47:06 »

Have you tried putting it through a noise gate?
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 09:50:38 »

Have you tried putting it through a noise gate?

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 09:58:46 »

I find reverb one of the most difficult applications when writing tunes, and probably don't use enough.

Few thoughts:

1. If you can hear it then there's probably too much!
2. When you think you've got it right, bring it back a little bit more
3. Use a very small amount of reverb on the master for thickening
4. Gated reverbs on percussion sounds can bring them to life

No idea if that's useful or not. I need me some learning too :/

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 10:01:53 »

Some interesting reading

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 10:15:22 »

I find reverb one of the most difficult applications when writing tunes, and probably don't use enough.

Few thoughts:

1. If you can hear it then there's probably too much!
2. When you think you've got it right, bring it back a little bit more
3. Use a very small amount of reverb on the master for thickening
4. Gated reverbs on percussion sounds can bring them to life

No idea if that's useful or not. I need me some learning too :/

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you put reverb on your master ?!?! Interesting.... I would never do this.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2010, 10:18:56 »

I find reverb one of the most difficult applications when writing tunes, and probably don't use enough.

Few thoughts:

1. If you can hear it then there's probably too much!
2. When you think you've got it right, bring it back a little bit more
3. Use a very small amount of reverb on the master for thickening
4. Gated reverbs on percussion sounds can bring them to life

No idea if that's useful or not. I need me some learning too :/

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you put reverb on your master ?!?! Interesting.... I would never do this.

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What do you mean by gated reverb? I've not come across that?
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2010, 10:25:49 »

I find reverb one of the most difficult applications when writing tunes, and probably don't use enough.

Few thoughts:

1. If you can hear it then there's probably too much!
2. When you think you've got it right, bring it back a little bit more
3. Use a very small amount of reverb on the master for thickening
4. Gated reverbs on percussion sounds can bring them to life

No idea if that's useful or not. I need me some learning too :/

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you put reverb on your master ?!?! Interesting.... I would never do this.

Some people do put a very small amount of master reverb on to thicken the sound.

Not something I do very often either.

http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=287630&sid=6cdfbffa9e05ba40f01608dbe70df623

Logic's Space Designer even has presets for the master bus.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2010, 10:27:42 »

Re Gated Reverbs

Go into Logic, write a simple snare line or percussion line, load up the Gated Reverb (short) presets in the Space Designer and see what it does. Wink

And more reading here: http://www.audio-production-tips.com/gated-reverb.html
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2010, 10:37:57 »

I find reverb one of the most difficult applications when writing tunes, and probably don't use enough.

Few thoughts:

1. If you can hear it then there's probably too much!
2. When you think you've got it right, bring it back a little bit more
3. Use a very small amount of reverb on the master for thickening
4. Gated reverbs on percussion sounds can bring them to life

No idea if that's useful or not. I need me some learning too :/

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you put reverb on your master ?!?! Interesting.... I would never do this.

Some people do put a very small amount of master reverb on to thicken the sound.

Not something I do very often either.

http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=287630&sid=6cdfbffa9e05ba40f01608dbe70df623

Logic's Space Designer even has presets for the master bus.

well sometimes people want to write 80s music i guess.... Grin
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2010, 10:43:01 »

less is often more with Reverb I find, but of course there are no rules.
I generally leave it off drums and bass - or use a tight room reverb for the more top end sounds. Anything you want to appear more in the background like fx sounds etc I like to put a long reverb on, and also use different reverb plugins so things distinguish themselves from each other.  Lead lines etc can suite really right reverbs too and it's quite good fun to automate the room size a bit. If you are using really samples, remember that they probably already have real reverb on so there isn't much need to put extra on - often stands out as sounding a bit fake if you do, because the real verb is a bit more gritty (mmmmm - often find plugins too clean sounding). It's also good to use really cheap shitty verbs sometimes I find.
Also the new Lexicon plugin reverb is the fuckin mutts nutts.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2010, 11:06:50 »

Reverb is a fantastically fun thing to talk about, because even people who know their shit (Powdermonkey, Kraymon and even genii such as myself  Bad Teeth ) really don't have any clue. You just generally fuck about with it.  Grin

I view reverb as having two distinct uses. The first, which probably won't interest you, is to do with fixing the sounds of a recording into their place within a sonic landscape. By that I mean if you record a band by, say, dubbing each instrument separately in variety of different fairly dry/dead rooms then you can use varying amounts of the same reverb to meld the whole mix together and make it sound more like it was played live in a real space. Its a subtle effect and forms a key part of the New York and LA mixing styles (IIRC).

The other way I look at reverb is probably most applicable to modern electronic music, and in the past has been part of the London style (where typically each instrument has its own unique space/soundscape achieved by giving each piece quite different reverb settings, among other things). Basically in this mode the reverb doesn't just subtly compliment the sounds, it plays a more instrumental part in creating the tone of the sound. Think of that tom fill in In The Air Tonight. Without the reverb (specifically gated reverb) it wouldn't be a fraction of what it is. In fact that whole tune is set in an eerily big, creepy, ethereal landscape using reverb and echo (which are basically the same thing).

Sadly there aren't many specific tips, aside from what Dan already said. I would say though that reverb is the one thing where the track doesn't really sound like it needs it, but adding a touch of the same short (1.5 sec) reverb to all the parts of a tune (a lot on the snare usually) can make a tune sound more comfortable to listen to, if you have any idea what I mean by that.

Basically reverb is a fucker, but if you get it right its ideal. What I'd do if I wanted to practice is get some string sounds (probably from a ROMpler plugin), because with strings the absence of reverb is so blindingly obvious that it makes it really easy to understand what reverb contributes. With a violin so much of what is pleasant to hear comes from reverb that its a good place to start with playing about.
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2010, 11:13:39 »

Good stuff Dan Two Thumbs
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2010, 11:19:41 »

Also, reverb on synth sounds can be great for either making the sound thicker or just making it slightly more natural (so it sits well beside a double bass, for instance). Also if you're sampling then remember everything you cut up probably has reverb with it. For instance if you cut up the Amen then its already thick with natural reverb. In that situation you might just want a tiny tiny dab of 0.5sec reverb on there to help smooth over the gaps where the cuts are. Any more than that and it'll sound too messy.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2010, 11:32:27 »

Also, reverb on synth sounds can be great for either making the sound thicker or just making it slightly more natural (so it sits well beside a double bass, for instance). Also if you're sampling then remember everything you cut up probably has reverb with it. For instance if you cut up the Amen then its already thick with natural reverb. In that situation you might just want a tiny tiny dab of 0.5sec reverb on there to help smooth over the gaps where the cuts are. Any more than that and it'll sound too messy.

Top stuff, ta.

Question - if a sound is sampled, but you trim the sample really tight, won't you essentially be cutting off most of the reverb that was on it? So you can add more?

Also, I have been advised to Bus my stems into groups - drums, samples, fx, vocals, bass etc - which is meant to help me stop having loads of different reverbs clashing with each other and creating noise. It's worked a treat,, but now I'm confused how to get different reverbs (say you want a massive reverb-y snare) while not making shedloads of extra, unneccessary noise... ?

Also, what reverb should I use? I use the Platinum Reverb at the moment coz it's so easy to control... Don't understand Space Designer...
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2010, 11:50:45 »

Ah now we're getting into it...

If you cut, say, a snare right to the point where the next hit starts then what you are sampling is the dry snare, plus the reverb early reflections and as much of the reverb tail as fits in the length of sample you're taking. In essence a lot what constitutes the space and and size of the reverb is still with the sample, it just has a truncated tail. If you add extra reverb then you're reverbing the snare sound, as well as reverbing the start of the existing reverb. Bear that in mind when setting your channel reverb up, but it is purely a guessing game in terms of getting it right.

Bussing can be useful. If I'm doing a large project then everything gets bussed and bussed again. Something like a drum bus, a guitar bus, a bass bus, a vocal bus and a drums and bass submix which takes the two groups and combines them. They're useful for all sorts of things like group compression, balancing and yes reverb. But only if you want the same amount of the same reverb on everything.

Generally speaking, if you have a track reverb (same time and size for everything) then set it up as a send effect. Then you can send some amount of dBs of a group, submix or individual channel to the send as required. Thats how you'd add extra to just the snare. Alternately if you want different size/time for each part then you need to add a reverb plugin to the last slot in the individual channel.

(I could write a book on this, with diagrams and everything. Alas there is no time! Seriously though, you could play with reverb for 10 years and still not be able to give straight answers).
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2010, 12:48:49 »

Oh also I remember the other thing. When I learned this it changed the entire way I dealt with reverb.... Where panning gives you left and right, a combination of reverb and volume gives you forward and backward. If a sound is loud and dry it sounds like something in the foreground. Slightly less loud and wet sounds like something loud but coming from a bit further back. Something quiet and wet sounds like its in the distance, and something quiet and dry sounds like something quiet which is up close. Much fun to be had adding depth to the mix. So when it comes to setting the amount of send going to reverb consider where you want the sound placed in terms of its volume and depth position.  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2010, 13:12:44 »

Oh also I remember the other thing. When I learned this it changed the entire way I dealt with reverb.... Where panning gives you left and right, a combination of reverb and volume gives you forward and backward. If a sound is loud and dry it sounds like something in the foreground. Slightly less loud and wet sounds like something loud but coming from a bit further back. Something quiet and wet sounds like its in the distance, and something quiet and dry sounds like something quiet which is up close. Much fun to be had adding depth to the mix. So when it comes to setting the amount of send going to reverb consider where you want the sound placed in terms of its volume and depth position.  Two Thumbs

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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2010, 18:36:42 »

Can we sticky this thread? Very informative!  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2010, 19:31:39 »

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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2010, 20:05:28 »

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2010, 14:52:19 »



If you cut, say, a snare right to the point where the next hit starts then what you are sampling is the dry snare, plus the reverb early reflections and as much of the reverb tail as fits in the length of sample you're taking. In essence a lot what constitutes the space and and size of the reverb is still with the sample, it just has a truncated tail. If you add extra reverb then you're reverbing the snare sound, as well as reverbing the start of the existing reverb...


...which doesn't necessarily matter, as long as you use your ears.


And as Noodly has said - there are so many different things you can do with reverb (even though it's all technically the same thing, or variations thereof), that it's impossible to just say 'this is what it's for'. You need to piss about. Tiny bits of it can sound amazing. Ridiculous over the top huge swathes of it can sound amazing. Just depends what you're going for!*




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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2010, 20:10:10 »

I always have a long decaying reverb and an upfront short one as standard on any track. As Dan Alive said, think of reverb as the stuff that fills the 'space' in the mix. There is this brilliant description on the net somewhere describing producing as filling a 'Box'. Must be on here, I'll search.

Sidechaining reverb can really have fun results as well. As well as Uber compression afterwards.

Hearing some dance music today though, seeing how loud, dynamic-less and frontal it is most people seem to stick a short decay reverb on the drum buss before compressing the fook out of it.
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2010, 21:10:34 »

Hearing some dance music today though, seeing how loud, dynamic-less and frontal it is most people seem to stick a short decay reverb on the drum buss before compressing the fook out of it.

Most people releasing dance music these days don't seem to have a fucking clue.
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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2010, 23:48:25 »

There is this brilliant description on the net somewhere describing producing as filling a 'Box'. Must be on here, I'll search.

http://www.hijackbristol.co.uk/board/the-desk/%27thinking-inside-the-box%27-a-must-read/
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2010, 16:31:24 »

great advice and tips on here. really interesting read

the only thing i want to say from personal experience is that reverb isn't a single sound. Every plugin or unit or real life room & space creates different ambiences, timbres and tones which in turn can make a huge difference to a track or part that you're processing. In the same way as different synths or instruments have individual characteristics.

I fell in love with the same effects unit Mathew Jonson swears by. Its called the Ensoniq DP4 and its got really warm, soft and colourful tones to its reverb. Its really silky, kind of drips and feels very natural. Made a huge difference compared to plugins i'd used in the past which can sound mettalic, thin and unnatural.

Also, I've never experimented with recording stuff in a cathedral say, or a cave...etc but I'd like to. just to get that natural reverb feel. and some real life grit in there! Plus it would be fun. I'd love to trek down to a cave and play a cowbell part to a track whilst recording on a field mic. why the hell not?

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2010, 17:38:32 »

why the hell not?

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Just record an impulse for IR1 and you can use the verb of that cave for any and every project you want, forever.  Grin

edit: Furthermore, if anyone's gonna actually be arsed to go around recording impulses could you do the entrance hall at the RWA? A radio thing I edited was recorded there and it sounded fucking ace.
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2010, 17:39:40 »

Jimmy Page talks about Led Zepp's 'When the Levee breaks'

"We were working on another song in the front room of Headley Grange when a second drum set showed up. Rather than stop what we were doing, we told the people bringing it in to just set it up in the entrance hallway. The hall was massive, and in the middle of it was a staircase that went up three stories. Later Bonzo went out to test the kit and the sound was huge because the area was so cavernous. So we said,"We're not going to take the drums out of here!"

Andy Johns hung a couple of M160 microphones down from the second floor, compressed them, added some echo and compressed that as well, and that was all we needed. The acoustics of the stairwell happened to be so balanced that we didn't even need to mic the kick drum."

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2010, 17:58:28 »

not exactly a cave or cathedral but st georges has nice acoustics & can be hired out... last time i asked if was about £5-800 i think for a 12 hour day, though the woman said they were open to offers for artist-led projects
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2010, 18:17:54 »

I live opposite St George. I'm sure we could get in for 20 mins to get some recordings. Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2010, 18:25:20 »

 Grin reverb makes me, erm, wet.  NERD ALERT!
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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2010, 18:31:02 »

I live opposite St George. I'm sure we could get in for 20 mins to get some recordings. Smiley
like an impulse response eh? mwahahahaahhahaha
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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2010, 20:10:14 »

I live opposite St George. I'm sure we could get in for 20 mins to get some recordings. Smiley
like an impulse response eh? mwahahahaahhahaha

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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2010, 09:07:27 »

Just record an impulse for IR1 and you can use the verb of that cave for any and every project you want, forever.  Grin


i bet it doesn't though. it might be able to "capture the sonic characteristics of your favorite rooms and hardware, and shape the reverbs with pinpoint precision" but does it actually sound the same?

i've never tried to can't really comment. but i'd like to think it just mimics the size and shape as best possible. which is very different to sounding like the same room... there's so many other factors involved surely?
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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2010, 09:09:45 »

I think there are quite a few impulses online, including from various hardware units, so if there are any you're familiar with, you can download & try them
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2010, 09:22:34 »

Just record an impulse for IR1 and you can use the verb of that cave for any and every project you want, forever.  Grin


i bet it doesn't though. it might be able to "capture the sonic characteristics of your favorite rooms and hardware, and shape the reverbs with pinpoint precision" but does it actually sound the same?

i've never tried to can't really comment. but i'd like to think it just mimics the size and shape as best possible. which is very different to sounding like the same room... there's so many other factors involved surely?

Nah it can be picture-perfect if you do it right. It only models the response at the exact mic position of an impulse coming from the exact speaker position so if you wanted to use multiple perspectives you'd need multiple impulses. But it basically compares the output and resultant response to find the exact mathematical convolution to transform the impulse into the response. So what you end up with is an equation (of a complex nature) that takes a dry sound and generates the response of the speaker + the room + the mic. So the better speaker and mic you use the better your impulse. If I used my MSP5s and my Rode NT it wouldn't be much cop. If we used the flattest custom nearfield in the wolrd and a B&K 4007 then the impulse we got would be amazing. Literally as close to the real thing as you could achieve. In many ways it'd provide better, cleaner parts as you wouldn't need to worry about mic positions for instruments in the actual space. You could even try a few different mic positions just by changing impulse.
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2010, 14:11:23 »

Great thread - has helped me loads already! I had no idea the effect that reverb had on my music... and now I want to get a really nice reverb unit... any suggestions?

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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2010, 16:34:55 »

Great thread - has helped me loads already! I had no idea the effect that reverb had on my music... and now I want to get a really nice reverb unit... any suggestions?



For my money the Waves IR1 plugin is better than any unit. Big statement I know, but I really do love IR1.

Caveat: That obviously doesn't include the classics like the 480L (or physical units like a nice big plate), but unless you've got a few grand to spare you ain't getting a 480L.
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« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2010, 18:38:37 »

@ hoozami:

found a good thread on it here:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/454135-whats-best-reverb-unit-money.html

use one of these quite often -it's oldschool but it's also a badboy:



To be honest though I normally just use Waves R-Verb, or Glaceverb for more textural stuff. most of my tunes are saturated in it.

EDIT: I quite like using reverb with a really long decay (large room size), using an eq as a send effect on it, then automating the eq. You can get some staggeringly hectic effects if you 'doppler shift' the reverb tail too. (only in headphones though, sadly) :electronicaside:
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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2010, 20:48:36 »

I'm a big fan of compression on the reverb bus (I like compression anywhere though). Compressed reverb with a dab of extra 12k and maybe even a notch filter LFOing around down near 500. All under some really sparse drums with a double bass, maybe.  Love

Also QuadraVerb is well old skool. Happy days. It sounds pretty nice but its all horrible buttons and little screens. If you're gonna have to have ugly black hardware cluttering up the joint you should at least get all knobs and faders and little needles that flick up and down with glowing lights in the background and all that noise.
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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2010, 10:18:32 »

here's mine, its got all sorts of effects and sounds incredible. old school effects unit from early 90s Smiley

Ensoniq DP4


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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2010, 12:31:29 »

Less is more with reverb  Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2010, 12:32:32 »

here's mine, its got all sorts of effects and sounds incredible. old school effects unit from early 90s Smiley

Ensoniq DP4


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I remember that Ensoniq, we used to have one, got to say, we mostly have plug ins now though  Wink
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« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2010, 12:43:40 »

Less is more with reverb  Smiley


Unless you have too little, in which case more is more.  Bad Teeth
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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2010, 11:38:31 »


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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2010, 15:30:35 »

Mad price for digi hardware.  Eek Spend the 5 large on some top quality Apogee AD/DA units and use a plug-in innit. Although I dunno if you can buy those particular Eventide DSP algorithms in plug-in form.  Undecided
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« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2010, 23:43:09 »

I just stumbled upon something new. If you put a fairly transparent compressor in line after the reverb effect on the reverb bus you can tweak the output volume, threshold and ratio so that in bits of your tune where loads of parts are playing the reverb is nice and subtle and even but quite heavily squashed by the compressor. Then when it drops down to, say, just the drums and the bassline the reverb from those parts is pulled up by the compressor, fills some of the empty space and makes the section sound more lively. I've only just worked it out (read: accidentally happened upon it) so I've only tried it on one tune but it sounds pretty sweet.  Two Thumbs
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« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2010, 17:04:26 »

What do you mean by gated reverb? I've not come across that?
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^ Clever spambot. Very clever spambot. I hope you all realise this is the start of the machines taking over....Scientists have ethics, but when advertisers start developing their own technology we truly are fucked.
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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2010, 22:59:01 »

Very interesting thread. Reverb is kinda like mix-glue, making it sound as if all the sounds are playing in the same room. This is its traditional role, although it can be used as a special effect, too. Anyone tried 2C-Audio's Aether – that is a bad man FX-style reverb! In my opinion, though, Audio Damage's Eos is the best reverb ever and I use it on every track. To be honest, I hate really up front mixes and like things to have a sense of depth and space (some life, goddamnit), so I use reverb on everything that doesn't have most of its sonic energy below 100Hz (ie, kicks and subs, etc). The trick is how much. I put it on a send channel then add a little from each channel (say 5-10% wet), with as high as 80% or so for stuff that I want to suddenly drown into oblivion/ambience.

Also, reverb is indeed used during the mastering process to again glue everything together, but only in small amounts below 5% wet and usually high-passed above 100Hz.

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