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« on: April 26, 2009, 16:51:47 »

I need to get myself a new laptop soon, and I'd like to get one capable of running one of these play-records-but-really-play-mp3s digital dj setups.  How good does my laptop need to be to do this without crashing/freezing lots, esp. in the middle of a set?  Will probably get a Windows machine, but could be tempted to get a Mac if they really are better, and I don't have to buy a really expensive one.

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2009, 17:10:13 »

You can get a 2ghz Core 2 Duo machine for about 350 notes now, that'll be enough to do whatever you want to do with it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2009, 17:28:24 »

You can get a 2ghz Core 2 Duo machine for about 350 notes now, that'll be enough to do whatever you want to do with it.

Thanks.

So is running these programs mainly processor intensive?
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2009, 17:37:15 »

CPU and RAM, mainly. Get as much RAM as you can, 2gb is a good minimum.
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 14:00:13 »

I recently upgraded from Traktor to Serato ITCH and my laptop is seriously struggling - it's the bain of my life at the moment.

i'm currently running 1.5ghz and 2gb of ram with plenty of space on the hard drive (which helps) on a well looked after and only 1 yr old machine and i've run out of ways to improve things, think i'm going to finally take the plunge with a Mac...  Undecided
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2009, 14:02:01 »

I recently upgraded from Traktor to Serato ITCH and my laptop is seriously struggling - it's the bain of my life at the moment.

i'm currently running 1.5ghz and 2gb of ram with plenty of space on the hard drive (which helps) on a well looked after and only 1 yr old machine and i've run out of ways to improve things, think i'm going to finally take the plunge with a Mac...  Undecided

How does your VCI behave on a 1.5G? I run a 2.1G with 2GB and I'm struggling to work out if its laptop slowness thats causing me problems.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 14:17:42 »

mate, i'm getting seriously hacked off with itch.  I'M SO ANGRY!

it worked like a dream for about 2 months and now it's so tempremental i'm having to turn down bookings until i've got it sorted. i used traktor 3 on this machine without any problemos AT ALL. itch on the other hand seems bloody unstable but i think it must (partly) be my laptop. to be fair the serato team are being very helpful and we're still trying to have it fixed but we're running out of things to try.

my problem is that it will freeze quite randomly on start up occcassionally and then it will also freeze if i cycle through tracks and load 'em too quickly

you got yours up and running now?

vci working?
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 15:17:22 »

mate, i'm getting seriously hacked off with itch.  I'M SO ANGRY!

it worked like a dream for about 2 months and now it's so tempremental i'm having to turn down bookings until i've got it sorted. i used traktor 3 on this machine without any problemos AT ALL. itch on the other hand seems bloody unstable but i think it must (partly) be my laptop. to be fair the serato team are being very helpful and we're still trying to have it fixed but we're running out of things to try.

my problem is that it will freeze quite randomly on start up occcassionally and then it will also freeze if i cycle through tracks and load 'em too quickly

you got yours up and running now?

vci working?

Nah its still being a joker. Do you get random clicks/pops/noises when just playing a single mp3 with no key lock/pitch shift? Thats what I'm getting, on my 2.1G and also on my 2.8G quad core, so I really do doubt its down to speed. It must be a knackered unit. Although from the amount of problems I've seen people have with ITCH/VCI I'm tempted to sack it all off and get a VCI-100 with Traktor Pro instead. I get fx then, but I'd have to buy an external sound card.

On the other hand it may be worth spending that bit extra to get something that works.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 16:16:05 »

2.1G with 2GB

Dual core & on XP I assume?

That spec should be fine, its also what I have been using faultlessly with Traktor Scratch for the last year or so...

By comparision, its pretty much the same spec as a (non-pro) Macbook.

I was previously using Final Scratch 2 on a 2G Single core with 1GB Ram on XP and that was also fine.

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 16:34:27 »

2.1G with 2GB

Dual core & on XP I assume?

That spec should be fine, its also what I have been using faultlessly with Traktor Scratch for the last year or so...

By comparision, its pretty much the same spec as a (non-pro) Macbook.


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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2009, 16:42:00 »

Nah its still being a joker. Do you get random clicks/pops/noises when just playing a single mp3 with no key lock/pitch shift? Thats what I'm getting, on my 2.1G and also on my 2.8G quad core, so I really do doubt its down to speed. It must be a knackered unit. Although from the amount of problems I've seen people have with ITCH/VCI I'm tempted to sack it all off and get a VCI-100 with Traktor Pro instead. I get fx then, but I'd have to buy an external sound card.

On the other hand it may be worth spending that bit extra to get something that works.

Soundcard (with bundled Traktor LE)+ upgrade to Tpro + VCI 100 = Less than a VCI 300.

Apparently there just aren't any VCI 100s in the UK at the moment and as soon as they come in, they get sold. I got mine from here, you get it in black with nice rubber knobs, it comes with the 1.3 firmware update, and it worked out cheaper than buying it in this country (though I did buy mine before the collapse of our currency).

If you want to spend more for controllerist purposes they've got premodded ones with arcade firebuttons on there too: http://techtools.myshopify.com/products/vci-100-arcade-buttons
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2009, 16:52:11 »

Yeah I looked at the controls on the 100 and there's only one set of buttons that it'd make sense to use as loop/cue points. The 300 has got 3 for each track (6 in total), a format which in my previous life as a CD DJ I came to know and love. I really, really, really, really want the 300 to work out for me cos I hand-on-heart think its the best specc'ed PC DJ system thats ever been sold anywhere ever. Keep yer fx and fancy gubbins, I just want the buttons off a CDJ to work an mp3 for me. And this thing so almost does it.

Also yeah its a dual core. Not Intel though. I usually shy away from AMD but this system is running a Turion X2 and to be fair when running Cubase it gives my 2.8GHz quad core a run for its money as the laptop has more RAM.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2009, 17:08:07 »

Yeah I looked at the controls on the 100 and there's only one set of buttons that it'd make sense to use as loop/cue points. The 300 has got 3 for each track (6 in total), a format which in my previous life as a CD DJ I came to know and love. I really, really, really, really want the 300 to work out for me cos I hand-on-heart think its the best specc'ed PC DJ system thats ever been sold anywhere ever. Keep yer fx and fancy gubbins, I just want the buttons off a CDJ to work an mp3 for me. And this thing so almost does it.




That's my current mapping. I've got a loop button per deck (hitting C or D switches control to the third or fourth deck), plus the fx section has 3 switchable functions - 2 for the fx units and a third that for controlling loops on each deck. In that mode the knobs above select the length of the sample from fractions of beats to 32. I've also set it to do a sync on loop off so it makes it possible to play with microloops and it not sound fucking awful. You can also jump between loops by using the transport buttons. It's pretty sweet.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 17:09:01 »

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2009, 17:18:17 »

That actually does look like a really sweet workflow. If I cant manage to get a working 300 sorted then hopefully Westend will be willing to exchange it for a 100 bundled with a soundcard. I'll have to steal your mapping if thats the case, it looks pretty heavy.
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2009, 17:40:17 »

I can't take responsibility for the mapping, just the adding of the sync command. It is sick though. Check out www.djtechtools.com, the guy who runs it came up with the firmware fixes and the mappings.

In the interests of full disclosure all is not 100% rosy in the garden. At the moment Traktor's got a bit of an issue with this mapping, it works until you send too much midi information (jogwheel + fx) and then the audio hangs. It doesn't happen everytime but it's enough to make it unreliable for playing out. The fix for this (until the next patch) is to disable midi out to the VCI, it means that your lights don't change colour on the VCI but otherwise everything works perfectly. It's something NI are aware of and working on.

I've been playing out with it (including stupidly long sets at afterparties) since December and it hasn't let me down once.
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2009, 17:42:36 »

I can't take responsibility for the mapping, just the adding of the sync command. It is sick though. Check out www.djtechtools.com, the guy who runs it came up with the firmware fixes and the mappings.

In the interests of full disclosure all is not 100% rosy in the garden. At the moment Traktor's got a bit of an issue with this mapping, it works until you send too much midi information (jogwheel + fx) and then the audio hangs. It doesn't happen everytime but it's enough to make it unreliable for playing out. The fix for this (until the next patch) is to disable midi out to the VCI, it means that your lights don't change colour on the VCI but otherwise everything works perfectly. It's something NI are aware of and working on.

I've been playing out (including stupidly long sets at afterparties) since December and it hasn't let me down once.

Is that just a MIDI bandwidth issue? Cos I think t'was you who said 14-bit MIDI firmware is coming out soon, that ought to fix it no?
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2009, 17:49:05 »

Nah, it's Traktor that's causing it. It was never an issue until the latest version of Tpro, they've spazzed something up in the midi engine.

Yeah, that new firmware is apparently with Vestax for testing at the moment. If you end up getting one give me a shout, my mates got the firmware update kit, it's just an adaptor to plug it into the computer so you can update as many VCIs as you want. I was going to chuck him a tenner to upgrade mine once the new firmware comes out.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2009, 17:58:22 »

Sounds goood mate, cheers. The odds are moving in favour of the 100 I reckon, the online community seems a lot better around the 100. Seems a lot easier to get help and there looks to be some good mods and whatnot.  Undecided
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2009, 20:25:29 »

mate, i'm getting seriously hacked off with itch.  I'M SO ANGRY!

it worked like a dream for about 2 months and now it's so tempremental i'm having to turn down bookings until i've got it sorted. i used traktor 3 on this machine without any problemos AT ALL. itch on the other hand seems bloody unstable but i think it must (partly) be my laptop. to be fair the serato team are being very helpful and we're still trying to have it fixed but we're running out of things to try.

my problem is that it will freeze quite randomly on start up occcassionally and then it will also freeze if i cycle through tracks and load 'em too quickly

you got yours up and running now?

vci working?

Nah its still being a joker. Do you get random clicks/pops/noises when just playing a single mp3 with no key lock/pitch shift? Thats what I'm getting, on my 2.1G and also on my 2.8G quad core, so I really do doubt its down to speed. It must be a knackered unit. Although from the amount of problems I've seen people have with ITCH/VCI I'm tempted to sack it all off and get a VCI-100 with Traktor Pro instead. I get fx then, but I'd have to buy an external sound card.

On the other hand it may be worth spending that bit extra to get something that works.

Fair play, FX would be nice but i would really miss the platters on the 300 now i've got used to them although those modified 100's do look pretty sweet... - presumably absolutely no sort of after sales support on those though...!

I got the 300 to encourage me to get off the cue buttons and start scratching and looping a bit more and i think itch is pretty awesome at that...   Bad Teeth

I've never had the problems that you're talking about, it definitely sounds like a hardware problem to me,

i know it's supposed to be the retailer's problem but westend sound like a bunch of useless pricks so howabout trying:

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Fax: +49 (0)2222 952374
Email support: cse@vestax.jp
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2009, 20:47:48 »

Fair play, FX would be nice but i would really miss the platters on the 300 now i've got used to them although those modified 100's do look pretty sweet... - presumably absolutely no sort of after sales support on those though...!

After sales support is provided by Vestax US. These mods are semi-official.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2009, 21:33:18 »

Fair play, FX would be nice but i would really miss the platters on the 300 now i've got used to them although those modified 100's do look pretty sweet... - presumably absolutely no sort of after sales support on those though...!

After sales support is provided by Vestax US. These mods are semi-official.

That's good, always a bit nervous of mods..
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2009, 12:57:50 »

Do you get random clicks/pops/noises when just playing a single mp3 with no key lock/pitch shift?


YES!!  I'M SO ANGRY! I'M SO ANGRY! I'M SO ANGRY!

i think i now know what you're referring to. is it like a horrible scrathcy electronic distorted noise? had it the other day for the first time. i'm putting it down to my laptop though, pretty sure my hardware's fine...

What's the latest with your 300 saga?
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2009, 13:09:25 »

They're sending me a replacement, finally! So I'll find out next week if it was the hardware that was knackered.... Egg on my face if its not!
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2009, 14:00:38 »

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Did you have a good moan at westend then? Oh well, lets hope the new one works..

keep me posted, interested in your 300 saga, it's even longer than the film  Wink

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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2009, 17:08:38 »

My advice is avoid running a PC with Vista as I tried this and Serato doesn't like it at all. Blue screen of death happens when trying to adjust the latency for scratching. Had multiple emails to and fro with their technical help and they never managed to fix it as basically it wasn't written for Vista - only XP or MAC. Tried running Serato software in XP mode on Vista and doesn't like that either. Gave up in the end thinking i'll save for a MAC but instead Serato sits in the box doing nothing. My advice is though, use a MAC and not a PC based laptop however fast your processor is or how much RAM you've got. MACs are much better machines - hence the price difference, but it's worth it for this type of application. PC's are fine for ordinary people who sit in cafe's pretentiously writting university assignments but not for memory hungry art or music software.
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2009, 08:24:38 »

My advice is avoid running a PC with Vista as I tried this and Serato doesn't like it at all. Blue screen of death happens when trying to adjust the latency for scratching. Had multiple emails to and fro with their technical help and they never managed to fix it as basically it wasn't written for Vista - only XP or MAC. Tried running Serato software in XP mode on Vista and doesn't like that either. Gave up in the end thinking i'll save for a MAC but instead Serato sits in the box doing nothing. My advice is though, use a MAC and not a PC based laptop however fast your processor is or how much RAM you've got. MACs are much better machines - hence the price difference, but it's worth it for this type of application. PC's are fine for ordinary people who sit in cafe's pretentiously writting university assignments but not for memory hungry art or music software.

That's so full of rubbish I don't know where to start.
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2009, 08:33:20 »

My advice is avoid running a PC with Vista as I tried this and Serato doesn't like it at all. Blue screen of death happens when trying to adjust the latency for scratching. Had multiple emails to and fro with their technical help and they never managed to fix it as basically it wasn't written for Vista - only XP or MAC. Tried running Serato software in XP mode on Vista and doesn't like that either. Gave up in the end thinking i'll save for a MAC but instead Serato sits in the box doing nothing. My advice is though, use a MAC and not a PC based laptop however fast your processor is or how much RAM you've got. MACs are much better machines - hence the price difference, but it's worth it for this type of application. PC's are fine for ordinary people who sit in cafe's pretentiously writting university assignments but not for memory hungry art or music software.

That's so full of rubbish I don't know where to start.

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2009, 08:43:45 »

My advice is avoid running a PC with Vista as I tried this and Serato doesn't like it at all. Blue screen of death happens when trying to adjust the latency for scratching. Had multiple emails to and fro with their technical help and they never managed to fix it as basically it wasn't written for Vista - only XP or MAC. Tried running Serato software in XP mode on Vista and doesn't like that either. Gave up in the end thinking i'll save for a MAC but instead Serato sits in the box doing nothing. My advice is though, use a MAC and not a PC based laptop however fast your processor is or how much RAM you've got. MACs are much better machines - hence the price difference, but it's worth it for this type of application. PC's are fine for ordinary people who sit in cafe's pretentiously writting university assignments but not for memory hungry art or music software.

That's so full of rubbish I don't know where to start.

I respect your opinion but i'm not some knob that doesn't know what he's talking about - firstly I have a PC based laptop runnning Vista that I CANNOT get to work with Serato even with their techincal help plus i'm an electronic engineer for a living and do know the odd thing about computers so not so full of crap. My opinion is based on months of messing about with my shite laptop which is a dual core machine with just over 2 gig of RAM so i'd say my opinion is quite well educated.
Maybe you could point out what you don't agree with.
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2009, 09:02:03 »

Well, I'm an IT professional who has owned both Windows and Mac boxes and I know doctors and dentists and various other high-standing members of the community.

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For a start, you're running an application that wasn't designed for Vista on Vista. XP mode is only a kludge, it's not always going to work. You can't extrapolate your problems running apps on an unsupported OS out and project them onto the Windows platform as a whole. I've been using Windows for audio work and djing for donkeys years and have never had an issue with crashing bar dodgy USB cables/ports/broken hardware.
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« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2009, 10:04:23 »

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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2009, 10:07:49 »

To be fair, you're just experiencing a dualcore machine with 4gb. They're all that good, whatever OS they're on.
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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2009, 10:09:43 »

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« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2009, 10:54:11 »

To be fair, you're just experiencing a dualcore machine with 4gb. They're all that good, whatever OS they're on.

Yessir. My quad core Q6600 with 3GB actually pwns any Mac ever built. And would probably pwn any computer ever built if I put bootcamp on it (yes, OSX deals with threading a little better and is actually a real multitasking system rather than a pseudo-multitasking system so on the same hardware it does have a slight edge for multi-threaded apps).
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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2009, 11:54:28 »

According to the staff at Serato, Macs run it much more reliably than PCs.
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« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2009, 12:03:28 »

That's worth noting, but it's due to Serato though, not the OS.
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« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2009, 12:21:38 »

To be fair, you're just experiencing a dualcore machine with 4gb. They're all that good, whatever OS they're on.

Yessir. My quad core Q6600 with 3GB actually pwns any Mac ever built. And would probably pwn any computer ever built if I put bootcamp on it (yes, OSX deals with threading a little better and is actually a real multitasking system rather than a pseudo-multitasking system so on the same hardware it does have a slight edge for multi-threaded apps).

Except perhaps the Octo-Core macs with 32Gb ram.
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« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2009, 12:42:15 »

To be fair, you're just experiencing a dualcore machine with 4gb. They're all that good, whatever OS they're on.

Yessir. My quad core Q6600 with 3GB actually pwns any Mac ever built. And would probably pwn any computer ever built if I put bootcamp on it (yes, OSX deals with threading a little better and is actually a real multitasking system rather than a pseudo-multitasking system so on the same hardware it does have a slight edge for multi-threaded apps).

Except perhaps the Octo-Core macs with 32Gb ram.

I did not know such a thing existed. I stand corrected. Although.... Are they quad-core dual processor, oct-core single processor or quad hyperthreaded-core single processor?  NERD ALERT!
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« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2009, 12:44:21 »

bloody hell  NERD ALERT!

i just think they look shiny  Grin
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« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2009, 12:48:43 »

Dual quadcore IIRC.
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« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2009, 12:55:17 »

Dual quadcore IIRC.

Oh. Well then, methinks it may render two videos at once just as fast as mine renders one video, but it wouldn't render a single video any faster than mine. There'a always a bottle neck in the front side on dual processor machines. Still though, the ability to natively address 32GB of RAM would definitely come in handy.
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« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2009, 16:36:17 »

Well, I'm an IT professional who has owned both Windows and Mac boxes and I know doctors and dentists and various other high-standing members of the community.

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For a start, you're running an application that wasn't designed for Vista on Vista. XP mode is only a kludge, it's not always going to work. You can't extrapolate your problems running apps on an unsupported OS out and project them onto the Windows platform as a whole. I've been using Windows for audio work and djing for donkeys years and have never had an issue with crashing bar dodgy USB cables/ports/broken hardware.
Yes i'm aware that it wasn't designed for Vista but only discovered that since aquiring Serato. I had my laptop before getting Serato and was told by the Serato technical help that it would run on Vista. I'm also aware that the XP mode is crap but thought i'd try it just incase it worked. My whole point to my post was don't buy a Vista based machine if you're getting it specifically for Serato as it has trouble running properly - even though Serato people tell you it's ok. Mine does run in as much as it lets you play tracks but try doing anything such as adjust the latency to allow scratching or even point to the directory that your tracks are in and mine throws up blue screen of death and reboots. Serato technical help had never heard of this before and confirmed that the spec of my machine is well above their recomended minimum requirements. My point about using a MAC is that if you go to any professional design studio or music studio (and i've been to quite of few of both) they all use MAC's - now there must be a reason for that. Surely everyone isn't just causght up with the MAC/iPod fashion statement just for work? Also, everyone I know that uses Serato has a MAC and none of them have any problems, even on older machines. Your comment on dr's and dentists, witty as it was, i'm asuming is because i said I'm an engineer - I was merely pointing out that i'm not some thumb fingered baffoon who doesn't know what he's doing yet i'm still having trouble. This post is after all, advice. I therefore gave my experience so as to help whoever might want to know. If you know better then ignore what I have to offer. I only wish I had read something of this nature before buying instead of taking the advice of Serato's technical help.
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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2009, 17:44:01 »

My advice is though, use a MAC and not a PC based laptop however fast your processor is or how much RAM you've got. MACs are much better machines - hence the price difference, but it's worth it for this type of application. PC's are fine for ordinary people who sit in cafe's pretentiously writting university assignments but not for memory hungry art or music software.

That's what you said, which is patently not true.

Serato support told you a porkie and you were left trying to run a bit of software on a incompatible OS, you can't go saying what you said in the quote above based on your experience. The facts just don't hold up.

The reason that Macs are used in creative places is the same as the reason that PCs are used in office environments; a quarter of a century ago the applications required for both types of work were only available on one platform or the other. Once an OS has conquered an industry and people have spent their working lives working with certain apps those industries are reluctant to change. It doesn't mean that what divided them 25 years ago is true any more.

I used to hate MS like everyone else, but they sorted out Windows with the release of 2000, and my XP install has literally never, ever crashed on me due to an OS problem. How much more stability can I ask for? I'm really platform agnostic, I'll use whatever; I sold my Mac to Wascal cos it wasn't being used, but I used OS X quite a bit, I have a couple of linux boxes and a couple of XP machines. I've found all of them to be as stable as each other. It winds me up to see people attributing magical, immeasurable 'stability' to one platform or another based on nothing more than preference.

The doctors and dentists was just a pop culture reference for fans of Vic Reeves Big Night Out, no offence was intended.

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« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2009, 22:11:26 »

In the end I got me a refurbished Toshiba machine with a T8400 processor and 3GB of RAM.  It runs like a dream and is a pleasure to use.  For those who like tech specs, I got this, but cheaper:
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« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2009, 07:47:19 »

Dual quadcore IIRC.

Oh. Well then, methinks it may render two videos at once just as fast as mine renders one video, but it wouldn't render a single video any faster than mine. There'a always a bottle neck in the front side on dual processor machines. Still though, the ability to natively address 32GB of RAM would definitely come in handy.

I don't know anything about this stuff really, but here's a linky http://www.apple.com/uk/macpro/features/processor.html
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« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2009, 09:22:20 »

Serato support told you a porkie and you were left trying to run a bit of software on a incompatible OS, you can't go saying what you said in the quote above based on your experience. The facts just don't hold up.

The reason that Macs are used in creative places is the same as the reason that PCs are used in office environments; a quarter of a century ago the applications required for both types of work were only available on one platform or the other. Once an OS has conquered an industry and people have spent their working lives working with certain apps those industries are reluctant to change. It doesn't mean that what divided them 25 years ago is true any more.

I used to hate MS like everyone else, but they sorted out Windows with the release of 2000, and my XP install has literally never, ever crashed on me due to an OS problem. How much more stability can I ask for? I'm really platform agnostic, I'll use whatever; I sold my Mac to Wascal cos it wasn't being used, but I used OS X quite a bit, I have a couple of linux boxes and a couple of XP machines. I've found all of them to be as stable as each other. It winds me up to see people attributing magical, immeasurable 'stability' to one platform or another based on nothing more than preference.

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I see what you're saying but the fact is that music software such as Cubase, Reason, etc.... IS available on both PC and MAC - yet if you go to a professional studio they all use MAC. My original point is not to run serato on a PC running Vista reardless of what Serato tell you - as you said they told me a porkie, so what's to stop them saying the same offical line to everyone else. The whole point of this is don't run Serato on Vista as it isn't compatible, not don't by a PC. I'm not making out that MAC's are faultless but they run Serato - which if you go to the top was what the whole point of this post is all about.
Anyway, i've changed my mind today - all computers are crap - make music on a sampler that isn't controlled by a computer - such as an MPC and live instruments and record it onto tape. DJ with vinyl. That's what I do. Therefore computers are out of the equasion from now on. My original purchase of Serato was so that I could DJ in USA without having to lug 2 boxes of records through customs, promting them to ask for my non-existent work visa. Had I not had to DJ overseas I wouldn't have bothered with it in the first place.
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« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2009, 10:58:07 »

An MPC is a computer, just one designed specifically for making music. Like how an electronic typewriter is a computer designed specifically for making documents. I'd prefer a general-use computer myself, as I've never had a problem with one that wasn't easily fixed. Each to their own though, eh?

Oh also, the reason studios use Mac is that the people (often idiots) who book studios are only trained on Mac and, like you, all baselessly assume that a Mac is better than a PC.
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« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2009, 12:23:25 »

An MPC is a computer, just one designed specifically for making music. Like how an electronic typewriter is a computer designed specifically for making documents. I'd prefer a general-use computer myself, as I've never had a problem with one that wasn't easily fixed. Each to their own though, eh?

Oh also, the reason studios use Mac is that the people (often idiots) who book studios are only trained on Mac and, like you, all baselessly assume that a Mac is better than a PC.

Yes, an MPC is a computer but then again toasters have computers in now but that doesn't mean you can use it for anything else other than toasting bread.
I don't necessarily mean that MACs or PCs are better than one or other but Serato seems to work better on a MAC and isn't written for Vista, as yet as far as I know. I'm trying to help anyone avoid the trouble that I have had. This is the point of this thread, is it not?
I'm not meaning to antagonise anyone here - just giving my opinion based on my findings, having been making music for a very long time with a lot of experience. Might not bother in future and just let people make the same mistakes. 
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« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2009, 12:45:37 »

An MPC is a computer, just one designed specifically for making music. Like how an electronic typewriter is a computer designed specifically for making documents. I'd prefer a general-use computer myself, as I've never had a problem with one that wasn't easily fixed. Each to their own though, eh?

Oh also, the reason studios use Mac is that the people (often idiots) who book studios are only trained on Mac and, like you, all baselessly assume that a Mac is better than a PC.

Yes, an MPC is a computer but then again toasters have computers in now but that doesn't mean you can use it for anything else other than toasting bread.
I don't necessarily mean that MACs or PCs are better than one or other but Serato seems to work better on a MAC and isn't written for Vista, as yet as far as I know. I'm trying to help anyone avoid the trouble that I have had. This is the point of this thread, is it not?
I'm not meaning to antagonise anyone here - just giving my opinion based on my findings, having been making music for a very long time with a lot of experience. Might not bother in future and just let people make the same mistakes. 

The thing is, you don't know what the actual problem is. You say "something to do with Vista", but it may be that a certain piece of your laptop's hardware isn't properly supported by Vista, and this causes problems with Serato. To give a for-instance, my laptop has a thing called Virtual IRQ on its USB chipset. It hands out non-physical (shared) interrupt requests to USB hardware. Audio devices don't like this as they can't sync precisely enough, producing glitches in the audio. I decided to downgrade to XP to see if it fixed the problem, before I knew what the problem actually was. Only later did I find out that what I needed was a new driver called the AMD USB Audio Filter, which is only supported by Vista. I think the thing we're trying to get across here is that its never as cut-and-dry as you make out. For you, moving to Mac solved the problem. But this was not just a change of OS, but a complete change of hardware. Which is mad, considering that you may indeed have only needed a newer driver for your USB controller.
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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2009, 17:43:24 »

For you, moving to Mac solved the problem. But this was not just a change of OS, but a complete change of hardware. Which is mad, considering that you may indeed have only needed a newer driver for your USB controller.

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« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2009, 21:44:54 »

An MPC is a computer, just one designed specifically for making music. Like how an electronic typewriter is a computer designed specifically for making documents. I'd prefer a general-use computer myself, as I've never had a problem with one that wasn't easily fixed. Each to their own though, eh?

Oh also, the reason studios use Mac is that the people (often idiots) who book studios are only trained on Mac and, like you, all baselessly assume that a Mac is better than a PC.

Yes, an MPC is a computer but then again toasters have computers in now but that doesn't mean you can use it for anything else other than toasting bread.
I don't necessarily mean that MACs or PCs are better than one or other but Serato seems to work better on a MAC and isn't written for Vista, as yet as far as I know. I'm trying to help anyone avoid the trouble that I have had. This is the point of this thread, is it not?
I'm not meaning to antagonise anyone here - just giving my opinion based on my findings, having been making music for a very long time with a lot of experience. Might not bother in future and just let people make the same mistakes. 

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