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« on: December 20, 2010, 19:00:26 »

Hello, Bristol hijackers

I am back with another question. As I am spending every spare hour that I have on learning all the bits 'n pieces about/around producing more and more obstacles arise Cheesy
I have created a low frequency bass, well i guess we call that a subbass, but i'm just saying.
How can I get my subbass to sound like a clean sound? example: Mala - Alicia (what an incredibly beautifull tune). This bass sounds clean! No plucks!
My bass sounds somewhat similar to that one, it's dubby and it's low freq, except this one thing: it constantly makes a "pluck" What does this mean??
I'm one of those guys who finds something else to stampede over that pluck so you dont hear it anymore, but thats obviously not very professional. Can you guys help me out?

EDIT: I actually have another problem with my bass, when I turn the volume too low u will not hear it anymore, and when I turn it too high (slapping on the 0db) it sounds like a big overdrive sound comes out of the bass and resonates through all the other tracks. I guess it's logics way of telling me "NO!". It's probably solved with an EQ or compressor, or should I wait with this until the final mixdown?

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 20:04:00 »

The bass on the Mala track is essentially just a sine wave. It might have another wave layered on it, but the filter is low passed (that is if it's more than just a sine).

A pure sine will sound clean and most softsynths should be able to play just a sine on its own. If there is a pluck, then I expect that you have a filter with a short envelope that allows through higher frequency content for the initial depression of the key. You can try turning down the envelope mod (or similar name - amount) so the filter does not control the filter. Then turn the filter down until you reach the desired depth.

Final part - is this a bass guitar you are having problems with? If so; try reducing the input gain into the computer so that the recording signal is around -18dBfs. This will allow more headroom.



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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 23:21:39 »

The bass on the Mala track is essentially just a sine wave. It might have another wave layered on it, but the filter is low passed (that is if it's more than just a sine).

A pure sine will sound clean and most softsynths should be able to play just a sine on its own. If there is a pluck, then I expect that you have a filter with a short envelope that allows through higher frequency content for the initial depression of the key. You can try turning down the envelope mod (or similar name - amount) so the filter does not control the filter. Then turn the filter down until you reach the desired depth.

Final part - is this a bass guitar you are having problems with? If so; try reducing the input gain into the computer so that the recording signal is around -18dBfs. This will allow more headroom.



I might just be expanding on what BP has said, but if you're getting a click at the start/end of a note and you're using either a synth or a sample (even if just an empty EXS24) for your sub, then push the Attack and Release on the volume envelope up a few notches.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 11:34:02 »

Haha absolutly brilliant you guys are. You're comment helped me the most spit, well more or less. My bass kind of lost its original sound but I got a more dubby bass in return by throwing up the attack and release until the pluck was gone. Once again, thanks alot you guys.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 11:46:31 »

Good.

It pays to learn what the random knobs do!

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 17:13:17 »



EDIT: I actually have another problem with my bass, when I turn the volume too low u will not hear it anymore, and when I turn it too high (slapping on the 0db) it sounds like a big overdrive sound comes out of the bass and resonates through all the other tracks. I guess it's logics way of telling me "NO!". It's probably solved with an EQ or compressor, or should I wait with this until the final mixdown?


A note on this, something a friend has had issues with and I don't have all the answers to, however. You have to be wary if your monitors (headphones etc) can't go low enough to reproduce sub bass. Just because you can't hear it doesn't mean there isn't loads of it. Basslines are usually made up of a few layered these days and done in a way that they fool the brain into thinking there is lots of bass, even on tiny little speakers which can't possibly be shifting that much air. (Fletcher-Munson curves and what not). So by cranking up your bass so you can hear it on your set-up, (to the point of nasty digital clipping/ distortion in that case) you'll actually have far too much bass* and all that low energy will hold down the overall volume for the rest of the track.

I'd be interested if anyone can shed a bit more light on producing this psuedo-bass actually.



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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 20:29:06 »

It's principally an article on bass guitar but still will be relevant to synths in parts.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr07/articles/betterbass.htm

Further to Snoo's post; the lack of any room treatment can make bass hard to get right.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 15:39:08 »



EDIT: I actually have another problem with my bass, when I turn the volume too low u will not hear it anymore, and when I turn it too high (slapping on the 0db) it sounds like a big overdrive sound comes out of the bass and resonates through all the other tracks. I guess it's logics way of telling me "NO!". It's probably solved with an EQ or compressor, or should I wait with this until the final mixdown?


A note on this, something a friend has had issues with and I don't have all the answers to, however. You have to be wary if your monitors (headphones etc) can't go low enough to reproduce sub bass. Just because you can't hear it doesn't mean there isn't loads of it. Basslines are usually made up of a few layered these days and done in a way that they fool the brain into thinking there is lots of bass, even on tiny little speakers which can't possibly be shifting that much air. (Fletcher-Munson curves and what not). So by cranking up your bass so you can hear it on your set-up, (to the point of nasty digital clipping/ distortion in that case) you'll actually have far too much bass* and all that low energy will hold down the overall volume for the rest of the track.

I'd be interested if anyone can shed a bit more light on producing this psuedo-bass actually.



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as far as i can tell the only time this would happen is if you were using ickle speakers and were turning low end stuff up loads to hear it properly, in which case your effectively hardwall limiting to whole tune when the bass hits cos it'll be like +6dB or something ridiculous. watch the master db meter!
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