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1  General / The Forum / Re: THIS FRIDAY: FIVE DOLLAR SHAKE: FIRE IN THE HOLE!! on: July 16, 2013, 23:31:52
facebook link not working Tut Tut
2  General / The Forum / Re: Israel and Palestine on: January 03, 2012, 02:29:22
That is one fucked up situation.

I cannot figure it out.
This will explain every thing    its 5 hours long mind Smashed

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/N4iwC2cwkoM&amp;feature=g-%ADall&amp;list=PLD918F621FEFFA183" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/N4iwC2cwkoM&amp;feature=g-%ADall&amp;list=PLD918F621FEFFA183</a>

I've been reading up on it and so have a good idea of the whats been happening but a solution? be fucked if I know.

So a thread about ideas to fix this mess.

Go!

any one who really cares  has the power to change this situation  by



3  General / The Forum / Re: TB2's BIGGEST EVER NYE PARTY! Limited tickets available... on: December 30, 2011, 02:59:49
is there a last entry time?  Two Thumbs

you acn come in any time if you have a ticket   and we are open till 9am  Two Thumbs
4  General / The Forum / Re: TB2's BIGGEST EVER NYE PARTY! Just £5 for Advanced tickets - available now! on: December 28, 2011, 19:00:37
all of that for a fiver... blimey!
can't wait

 Script bargin

Ladies clothes are not included in the price this time  Grin
5  General / The Forum / Re: Christopher Hitchens on: December 18, 2011, 21:19:43


I have to disagree. I think from his point of view, he was an interventionist, a pragmatist and a utilitarian, he was never under any illusions as to the nationalistic ideology of the neocons who he saw as a temporary ally, he knew full well they'd get what they wanted out of a transition away from dictatorship in Iraq. He, quite rightly in my opinion, blamed the violence and response on insurgents who wanted either a islamic, non-democratic state, or earlier in the conflict, a return to military dictatorship for the coalition violence proceeding the invasion.

This reciprocal violence from the west causing so many civilian deaths was a foregone conclusion once the insurgency began taking civilian lives willingly, and the institutions that represent an invading country cannot back down in achieving democracy violently once this level of terrorist activity against civilians begins - (obviously they want democracy on their own terms, but isn't that better and in the long-run more beneficial to one who values self-determination than siding with the non-democratic alternatives, who use indiscriminate terrorism to win their war, what do they offer in return for them winning? we will stop murdering you at random?)

I believe he was far too smart to think that the bush administration wanted Saddam gone for the same reasons he did, but he made a utilitarian judgement about the lesser of two evils relative to the status quo, not letting his ideology getting in the way of a pragmatic desire to make the best out of a bad situation where the only willing actors are in it for themselves. There was no mistake made, he knew what would happen to Iraq the same way the rest of us knew, he just thought that was better than a military dictatorship or an Islamic dictatorship because of what ultimately could come of Iraq, and believed it was still the duty of the international community to intervene because their use of force to attain self-serving goals, justified by attaining fair elections, would be far less detrimental to the iraqi people than allowing radical islamists to achieve their goals.

Ultimately it all comes down to his views on the state in general, to what degree interventionism to spread democracy is actually just a ploy, he clearly believed in interventions but i think it's naive to think that he wasn't aware or at least suspicious of the motives. He knew they could do it better, put more money in instead of the collateral damage, but recognised that the institutions at play wouldn't allow it, so the end, long term result was justified in his opinion.

tl:dr - he knew the neocons wanted iraq's exports for themselves, and knew they could only justify it politically by implementing democracy, he thought this was much better than saddam or radical islamists, and it's not the fault of the coalition that the radicals fight against the wishes of the majority of iraqis to force their own ideology upon them, and he was very critical of the self-serving and brutal way in which the coalition worked, still ever the pragmatist.

He obviously believed that certain types of people dont deserve to determine their own destinies and make their own choices, however different those choices may be from our own.  It is an aristocrat­ic point of view that smacks of an royalist sense of entitlemen­t. He was an enjoyable man otherwise and his unpredicta­bility was a staple of his character, but to claim the invasion of Iraq was warranted and necessary in spite of its lack of justificat­ion and false evidence that propped up the decision became mere stubbornne­ss in defense of leaders doing whatever they pleased, democracy be damned. Had he been born American, I think his core sense of right and wrong would have dictated that Bush and Blair policy was a scheme -- a fraud, perpetrate­d against the peoples of three nations. That We (the royal We) had the right and obligation to kill Iraq's leaders because of a Middle Eastern domino-typ­e theory of prospectiv­e terrorism turns a blind eye to the facts that the British created and owned Iraq and that senior Bush propped Hussein up in power in the 80's as the Reagan administra­tion's favorite secular dictator. Hitchens' opinion had its roots in British imperialis­m and if it remained his honest opinion to his dying day, he was wrong

6  General / The Forum / Re: Christopher Hitchens on: December 18, 2011, 03:19:54
good riddance      The world is a better place without him

How so?

In Iraq Hitchens supported a terrible war US military action against a defenseles­s nation...  he was a warmonger who hitched (no pun intended here) a ride on the Bush and the neo-cons agenda.  He has gone to his grave saying the war was justified and the deaths of hundreds of thousands was worth it.

I don't know about you but His tenacity in clinging to that view, even after all the facts around the Bush Co. lies were revealed, suggested to me an inability to admit a mistake, to fallibilit­y.
And I doubt Hitch would have wanted to actually be infallible because that would have been god-like. Bad Teeth

7  General / The Forum / Re: Christopher Hitchens on: December 17, 2011, 04:49:12
good riddance      The world is a better place without him
8  General / The Forum / Re: BEST BEFORE Retro + Vintage shop + Rise Records Mini Store//ABOVE Start The Bus on: December 12, 2011, 15:33:26

Aye Said - I still have loads of the flyers at home, including a few framed up in my kitchen  Two Thumbs

you should upload them to this thread    I'd love to see the tesco flyer again  Two Thumbs
9  General / The Forum / Re: BEST BEFORE Retro + Vintage shop + Rise Records Mini Store//ABOVE Start The Bus on: December 09, 2011, 17:00:48
Nice. Anyone remember a night in Bristol years ago called best before: ?

Thought not.  Bad Teeth

Good name for a shop though  Two Thumbs

I do    those were the days Pimp
10  General / The Forum / Re: TB2's BIGGEST EVER NYE PARTY! Just £5 for Advanced tickets - available now! on: November 30, 2011, 19:10:46
said change that bloody logo pleeeeeeeeeeeease !!! Tut Tut

Neeehhhhh I likes it
11  General / The Forum / Re: TB2's BIGGEST EVER NYE PARTY! Just £5 for Advanced tickets - available now! on: November 29, 2011, 16:35:28
looking fwd to this! Its been a while.

 i suspect i'll surface from T2 around Jan 5th knowing Said.  Smashed

I can write you a note to cover you till Monday the 9th if you want  Wink
12  General / The Forum / Re: £50 reward on: November 19, 2011, 16:59:46
For the tagger that did my van last night outside T2 Tut Tut


Ask Marco to check the cctv  we got street cams     and if you figure out who he is don't let him go untill I reward him too. 
13  General / The Forum / Please help stop this war on: September 11, 2011, 15:27:25
Every one knows that NATO doesn't give a turnip about Libyans       so please help stop this farce of a war by   http://www.peaceandjustice.it/libya.php
14  General / The Forum / Re: Osama Bin laden is DEAD! on: May 02, 2011, 14:11:53
the guy has been dead for years

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/4TeYyHt3JZ4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/4TeYyHt3JZ4</a>

as for the picture of the dead guy here is where it apeared on 08/12/2010



Obama's announcement of Bin Laden's death is a desperation ploy either to start WW3, distract from the crashing economy, or simply to revive his failing chances at a second term. In any event, Obama is full of crap claiming credit for "getting" Bin Laden when he has in fact been dead for almost ten years.

ps Hitlers death announcement was also on the 1st of May  Huh
15  General / The Forum / Re: Ceasefire in Libya! on: March 19, 2011, 18:44:35

 I'm just not confident the end game will play out very well.  Undecided

 Script

It is all wearingly familiar. And now we are back at it again, banging our desks in spiritual unity. We don't have many options, do we, unless we want to see another Srebrenica? But hold on. Didn't that happen long after we had imposed our "no-fly" zone over Bosnia?
16  General / The Forum / Re: Hijack party, date and venue revealed! on: March 17, 2011, 00:25:00
the best theme we had got to be apocalypse the end of the world      it's probably more appropriate now the way things are going in the world    may be its time to have a practice run   Smashed
17  General / The Forum / Re: Caravan // Fri 4th March // October / Kowton / Chris Farrell // Timbuk2 on: March 02, 2011, 15:23:25
Just heard word that Kowton will be providing a MiniMix to get yall in the mood Pimp



(Will post on ere when it lands...)

has it? or is it still lost in space  Bad Teeth
18  General / The Forum / Re: Caravan // Fri 4th March // October / Kowton / Chris Farrell // Timbuk2 on: February 17, 2011, 18:12:10
haha! a bit too judicious on the cut and paste there! amended..

this bit also needs to be edited back to the future  Wink


We hope you join us...

Timbuk2, Small Street, Bristol
Friday 4th March 2010
11pm – 5am




19  General / The Forum / Re: The alternative to the spending cuts on: February 15, 2011, 21:33:28
The alternative to the spending cuts could be spending increase in infrastructure and social projects that provide large numbers of jobs and this is how to finance it.

The government prints a version of the £ that runs in parallel with the existing bank notes finance all the projects witch in turn employs loads of peeps who will come off the doll and in turn it cuts the social benefit bill and the crime bill and...etc.. And when the time comes it starts withdrawing the currency out of circulation with no interest paid here         simples   Pimp
20  General / The Forum / it doesn't take much to expose a liar. on: January 13, 2011, 08:19:37
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/rB33z6qFJqM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/rB33z6qFJqM</a>

 Laugh Laugh
21  General / The Forum / Re: Welcome all,future TB2,and most of all our new page on: January 11, 2011, 17:37:41
So when you say you have taken over, what have you taken over and in what role, if you don't mind me asking.


1. Does siad still manage it then.   

2.Is Jamie still responsible for the bookings.

3.Is Nadge still the bar manager (sound engineer) lol.


Hi Ronny

- Marco is the general manager of tb2 he deals with the day to day issues, short term and long term planning and direction of the club
- Said still does some work now and then as he lives too far to be involved daily
- Jamie is still responsible for the bookings, promotions and manages the team of  promoters
- Naj looks after the security, legal issues, and coordinates with bcc and the police as well as assists Marco in the day today running of the club.
22  General / The Forum / Re: Welcome all,future TB2,and most of all our new page on: January 11, 2011, 16:17:24
Kowton & October - can't rave about it enough tune after tune amazing.

Yeh but are they as good as my tune?  Bad Teeth
23  General / The Forum / Re: Any soundcloud promo codes about????? on: January 10, 2011, 15:25:04
found one that gives a 25%  here it is   HYPEM2d1sc

can any one do better?     
24  General / The Forum / Re: Any soundcloud promo codes about????? on: January 10, 2011, 15:02:51
a bottle of Appleton special for the highest discount code  Two Thumbs Two Thumbs

Can I just have one anyway?  Bad Teeth

firs hand over the codes Evsy      or alternatively enter your card details bellow  Wink
25  General / The Forum / Any soundcloud promo codes about????? win a bottle of Appleton special on: January 10, 2011, 14:35:38
Hi guys

we are looking for soundcloud promotional codes any help will be much appreciated   and a bottle of Appleton special for the highest discount code  Two Thumbs Two Thumbs
26  General / The Forum / Re: Revolution a la Cantona on: November 18, 2010, 20:25:21

It wouldn't work if the fractional reserve system ran alongside it.

Check this out, it's our submission to the independent commission on banking, it contains a detailed critique on fractional reserve banking and an easily implementable, detailed solution. This is the culmination of many years of of research undertaken by us, the new economics foundation and Richard Werner, among others.

http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NEF-Southampton-Positive-Money-ICB-Submission.pdf

That's what i said      Fractional reserve is one of the evils     the second and biggest evil is interest    which your mouvement suggest its ok if it runs alongside a full reserve account     I don't thing that will work   because human nature means that people will try to maximize the return of any spare money they have by investing it in the best return    and so we are back to the same situation     does this make sence?  Smashed

Human nature is self interested, in fact, all life is self interested.

This is why you couldn't advocate getting rid of interest, because you would have to get rid of, well, (self)-interest! Full Reserve banking makes sense from a socio-economic standpoint. Whilst a world where everybody assumed risk purely to help someone else out would be a lovely place, it will never happen so long as we reproduce, eat, drink, and breathe.

You can't assume that everybody acting in their self-interest for the most part, (but avoiding exploitation) is neccessarily a bad thing. In a law abiding society everybody can get along just fine. To feasibly create an economy where you didn't have interest payments, but still had advanced industry and a service economy, you would need to have a dictatorship and completely centrally plan the whole thing, and that didn't work out too well for Russia or the Russian people.

With full reserve banking we wouldn't end up back in the same situation. If you want a loan, you pay interest on it, if you want to invest, you get a return. This drives endeavour and innovation and promotes sensible risk-taking. There is no alternative to interest other than taking equity, which Islam advocates. This is flawed however because nobody can become a hands off investor, and we again couldn't have such a high division of labour and a sufficiently advanced economy if we had to finance in this way.


Taking equity instead of interest is a much better option  as this will force the lender to be more responsible to protect their investment and by default this is good for the borrower.      Sadly the way things are now encourages the lender to dispossess the borrower 

Interest encourages the hoarding of money since 2% of the people own 80% the money (the figures are not accurate but not far from the truth)    while some people are happy to live on the interest of their deposits there are millions who need a job which could be generated if that money is invested in projects      now take away the interest and introduce a tax on any one whose money has been sitting doing nothing for a full year and see how quickly they will want to lend it to others who need project finance but before they do they better make sure they study the project well to guaranty they don't loose their equity in it.   To me this is a much better way because both the lender and the borrower are forced to work together for their own selfish reasons and by doing so they are guarantying each others success


Right let's break this down, what I want to show is that whilst equity might be best in your own opinion, there is nothing wrong with everybody else charging interest in a full reserve banking system.

Situation 1: Charging Interest is illegal.

You, Timbuk2, have a bit of a liquidity problem. Both the promoters last weekend were really shit and didn't bring anybody in the club. You need to find £10000 to buy some more booze for the coming weekend. Your club is valued at £100,000. In order for you to be able to find the £10000 you are now going to have to give up 10% of your club, just because of some promoters not doing so well. The implications of this are as follows. Either you need to have some good friends who have £10000 spare whenever you need it, or you're going to have to give up equity. The other implication is that you're unlikely to be able to run close to the line in any case, you'd always want to have at least £10,000 on hand to buy booze if someone had a bad turnout, which might mean you don't get that new sound system you've always wanted.

So who is going to be your investor? Well it's probably not going to be the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker, after all, what do they know about nightclubs? The most likely candidate is another nightclub owner who will know what you're doing with his money and can assess whether it's a good investment. So you have to go down to Syndicate as they are the biggest players in town and the only ones with £10,000 to invest in you. Unfortunately their £10,000, you being competition and all, comes with some pretty big conditions. You now can't book Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, or Bob Marley anymore, you can't sell Cider, and what's more, you have to give up 20% of your business instead.

The real world translation of this is that people don't want to give away equity for liquidity purposes. So if you get rid of interest, people take far less risks, are always keeping a float of money for a rainy day instead of putting it to good use and relying on lines of credit.  You also get conflicts of interest, because you always have to either get someone who...

a) Is perfectly happy having equity in a business they know absolutely nothing about, not being able to tell whether their investment is being put to good use.
b) Is part of the competition and will favour their own business over yours.
c) Wants to keep a close eye on their investment, whether they are competition or not - you'll have to submit extra reports to them, call them once a week, let all their mates in for free, justify big expenditures, and so on.


Situation 2: Charging interest is a-ok

You have the same problem and you need 10k, but this time you can get a loan bearing interest from the bank. Quick call to your bank manager, you tell him you've run out of cash because of some shitty promoters, but you've got Bob Marley booked this weekend so everythings going to be fine. He wires you 10k, you have to pay him back 11 at the end of the week, but you never had to give away 10% of your business or any of the other hassles with equity finance.

So the moral of the story is that people rely on lines of credit and interest bearing loans to meet short term liquidity difficulties, and having that security makes innovation and an advanced economy with more efficient business models a possibility. An equity based approach is fine too, for instance if you have a great idea and need someone with the experience to help you out, but this is definitely not always the case. You might want to do a start up, but have already had lots of successful businesses in the past, in this case you call your bank manager, ask for £100,000, and you'll pay him back £200,000 in three years. He says "yeah no problem, we have a good history with you" and you get to go on and make a million pound business instead of having to give 75% equity to Deborah Meadon and only make £250k.

Getting rid of interest is a very bad idea, unless you get rid of human needs and greed, which you can't. Getting rid of fractional reserve banking where the charging of interest leads to infinite growth, eternally compounded and exponentially growing debt, asset price inflation, increased income disparity, environmental destruction, increasing national debt, interest rate manipulation, and enormous bank profits, is a very good idea. None of those direct consequences are transferable to a full reserve system.

I see this from a different angle,    where the thousands of millionaires who have had £1million sitting in a full reserve account for the last 10 months and are now panicking because they will have to pay 10% in taxes for not having invested their money and now are torn between paying £100,000 to the tax man or employing an accountant and may be a lawyer to find them a good investment and who knows may be they will hit gold with timbuk2 when its worth 1/2 mil next year and their £10,000 is turned to £50,000         this is a win win situation for every one as well as creating new jobs in the process.
27  General / The Forum / Re: Revolution a la Cantona on: November 18, 2010, 17:42:32

It wouldn't work if the fractional reserve system ran alongside it.

Check this out, it's our submission to the independent commission on banking, it contains a detailed critique on fractional reserve banking and an easily implementable, detailed solution. This is the culmination of many years of of research undertaken by us, the new economics foundation and Richard Werner, among others.

http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NEF-Southampton-Positive-Money-ICB-Submission.pdf

That's what i said      Fractional reserve is one of the evils     the second and biggest evil is interest    which your mouvement suggest its ok if it runs alongside a full reserve account     I don't thing that will work   because human nature means that people will try to maximize the return of any spare money they have by investing it in the best return    and so we are back to the same situation     does this make sence?  Smashed

Human nature is self interested, in fact, all life is self interested.

This is why you couldn't advocate getting rid of interest, because you would have to get rid of, well, (self)-interest! Full Reserve banking makes sense from a socio-economic standpoint. Whilst a world where everybody assumed risk purely to help someone else out would be a lovely place, it will never happen so long as we reproduce, eat, drink, and breathe.

You can't assume that everybody acting in their self-interest for the most part, (but avoiding exploitation) is neccessarily a bad thing. In a law abiding society everybody can get along just fine. To feasibly create an economy where you didn't have interest payments, but still had advanced industry and a service economy, you would need to have a dictatorship and completely centrally plan the whole thing, and that didn't work out too well for Russia or the Russian people.

With full reserve banking we wouldn't end up back in the same situation. If you want a loan, you pay interest on it, if you want to invest, you get a return. This drives endeavour and innovation and promotes sensible risk-taking. There is no alternative to interest other than taking equity, which Islam advocates. This is flawed however because nobody can become a hands off investor, and we again couldn't have such a high division of labour and a sufficiently advanced economy if we had to finance in this way.


Taking equity instead of interest is a much better option  as this will force the lender to be more responsible to protect their investment and by default this is good for the borrower.      Sadly the way things are now encourages the lender to dispossess the borrower 

Interest encourages the hoarding of money since 2% of the people own 80% the money (the figures are not accurate but not far from the truth)    while some people are happy to live on the interest of their deposits there are millions who need a job which could be generated if that money is invested in projects      now take away the interest and introduce a tax on any one whose money has been sitting doing nothing for a full year and see how quickly they will want to lend it to others who need project finance but before they do they better make sure they study the project well to guaranty they don't loose their equity in it.   To me this is a much better way because both the lender and the borrower are forced to work together for their own selfish reasons and by doing so they are guarantying each others success
28  General / The Forum / Re: Revolution a la Cantona on: November 18, 2010, 06:30:18

It wouldn't work if the fractional reserve system ran alongside it.

Check this out, it's our submission to the independent commission on banking, it contains a detailed critique on fractional reserve banking and an easily implementable, detailed solution. This is the culmination of many years of of research undertaken by us, the new economics foundation and Richard Werner, among others.

http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/NEF-Southampton-Positive-Money-ICB-Submission.pdf

That's what i said      Fractional reserve is one of the evils     the second and biggest evil is interest    which your mouvement suggest its ok if it runs alongside a full reserve account     I don't thing that will work   because human nature means that people will try to maximize the return of any spare money they have by investing it in the best return    and so we are back to the same situation     does this make sence?  Smashed
29  General / The Forum / Re: WabiSabi with RAKAA and DJ BABU @ TB2 // GUESTS ADDED // TONIGHT!!! on: November 18, 2010, 06:06:26
Awsome night Slayer Slayer Slayer Slayer       please lets have some pics         I realy enjoyed the chat with Rakaa and babu      and they promised to be back next tour Two Thumbs
30  General / The Forum / Re: Revolution a la Cantona on: November 17, 2010, 16:25:54
everybody needs to transfer there money to the same bank.

a new bank

one that is built form the ground up for the people

That might work but only if the new bank doesn't use fractional reserve system and the ability to issue new money is taken out of the hands of the banks and put in the hand of the government so it can print money when needed and take it out of the system when things are back to normal   instead we have a central bank that will print money, lend it to the government at interest so the gov intern bail out the banks and the tax payer picks up the tab for these loans plus the interest     this just doesn't sound right to me but then again what do i know?     I only know that we are being screwed by the banks while their executives are paid more even in these times.
31  General / The Forum / Re: Revolution a la Cantona on: November 17, 2010, 13:57:47
I can see that if this happens it will be the trigger to implement marshal law and may even play in the hand of the NWO    so how about if a lot of people contact their banks and inform them that they are thinking of withdrawing all their cash on the 7th  unless the banks stop the Pansy scheme they have been running     do you think they will change their ways?
32  General / The Forum / Re: Revolution a la Cantona on: November 17, 2010, 04:45:25
Just to humor this for a moment. What exactly do you expect to happen if everyone did actually do what he's suggesting?

i dont think anyone actually expects this to suddenly put an end to the banks control, however what a great way to make sure as many people as possible know about the banking scam and who the real enemies of humanity are
33  General / The Forum / Revolution a la Cantona on: November 16, 2010, 16:58:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uop5R7E314

He is soooo right   I am withrawing my money on the day as well  Slayer
34  General / The Forum / Re: Would you know if you were dead!!!!!! on: November 11, 2010, 17:06:03
Laugh love the onion.

more importantly...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/T6fVDAjs9f0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/T6fVDAjs9f0</a>



See you on Saturday mate  any chance of a +1 guest list? Kiss
35  General / The Forum / Would you know if you were dead!!!!!! on: November 11, 2010, 16:23:44
http://www.theonion.com/video/social-security-scam-robs-elderly-by-convincing-th,18377/    Eek
36  General / The Forum / Re: I won't be around much... on: November 07, 2010, 08:55:07
you going to pop in to see me Pete?
37  General / The Forum / Re: any one knows where i can buy/import some Tilapia fingerlings/spawns on: October 22, 2010, 15:37:16

I am looking for live ones to farm    thanks for the link though
38  General / The Forum / any one knows where i can buy/import some live Tilapia fingerlings/spawns on: October 22, 2010, 14:55:05
from  past experiences I found the collective Hijack brain much more reliable than Google  Smashed      
39  General / The Forum / Re: Cycles on: March 17, 2010, 23:46:56
Laugh Cyriak is a badman

 Script x100000000

Cyriak  Heart

Well not as bad as some one I know    Doh!
40  General / The Forum / Re: Why is Israel Raining Hellfire upon Gaza?? on: January 05, 2009, 15:16:44
To find both the US and Britain failing to condemn the Israeli onslaught while blaming Hamas is not surprising.
What are you talking about Britain was one of the first to condemn this.


This is what Brown said on 28th Dec
“I am deeply concerned by continuing missile strikes from Gaza on Israel and by Israel’s response today.

“Peaceful means are the only way of reaching a lasting solution to the situation in Gaza. I call on Gazan militants to cease all rocket attacks on Israel immediately. These attacks are designed to cause random destruction and to undermine the prospects of peace talks led by President Abbas.”

Brown added: “I understand the Israeli government’s sense of obligation to its population. Israel needs to meet its humanitarian obligations, act in a way to further the long-term vision of a two-state solution and do everything in its power to avoid civilian casualties.”   notice that there are no wornings here against a ground invasion  which ever way you look at it you know that Israel will take this as carte blanche to do what it wants.   

In sharp contrast to the statement issued on behalf of Javier Solana, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, who called for an immediate ceasefire and the renewal of the truce declared by Hamas leaders, which had expired on December 19.

“I call for an immediate cessation of military actions on both sides,” he said.

41  General / The Forum / Re: Why is Israel Raining Hellfire upon Gaza?? on: January 05, 2009, 14:09:15
Shame shame shame on any one in this world who doesn't condemn the action of the Zionists who are committing this genocide  

let us not forget that the original, legal owners of the Israeli land on which Hamas rockets are detonating live in Gaza.  But watching the news shows, you'd think that history began yesterday, that a bunch of bearded anti-Semitic Islamist lunatics suddenly popped up in the slums of Gaza – a rubbish dump of destitute people of no origin – and began firing missiles into peace-loving, democratic Israel, only to meet with the righteous vengeance of the Israeli air force.

To find both the US and Britain failing to condemn the Israeli onslaught while blaming Hamas is not surprising. US Middle East policy and Israeli policy are now indistinguishable and Gordon Brown is following the same dog-like devotion to the Bush administration as his predecessor.
42  General / The Forum / Re: Justin Gettings New Release on: December 31, 2008, 14:45:37
About bloody time too    he thretened to do that about 4 years ago   now I wonder if he remembers his offer to buy me drinks all night on his first uk release  Grin
43  General / The Forum / Re: A question on: August 15, 2008, 11:18:01
If money is removed what else could be used for reward?

sex 
44  General / The Forum / Re: insomnia on: August 15, 2008, 03:04:45
whats vervaine?

Sorry its Verveine  also known as Tisane
45  General / The Forum / Re: insomnia on: August 15, 2008, 02:09:09
get some vervaine  it works for me  Two Thumbs
46  General / The Forum / Re: "God makes you stupid, researchers claim" on: June 13, 2008, 14:32:58
Both require faith, but that faith is grounded in different things. Do they really both start with the same paradigm? The scientific method starts with no assumptions, and then from the ground up looks for evidence to explain our existence based on repeated experimentation and deductive reasoning. Religious method assumes god/creation/afterlife first, for any number of reasons, and then goes about looking for evidence to support that assumption, i.e. it's backward in terms of the logical, argumentative process.

Sometimes the scientific method do starts with assumptions here is an example :
The New York Times, carried a report titled “Tests Confirm T. Rex Kinship With Birds” on 25 April, 2008. This concerned research conducted into 68-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex bone tissue discovered in the Hell Creek region in the east of the US state of Montana in 2003 by Harvard University’s Chris Organ and his team. The researchers compared the proteins obtained with those from 21 different species of bird. They then interpreted the resulting molecular data in the light of the theory of evolution, suggesting that this species of dinosaur was directly related to the chicken and the ostrich.

The researchers interpreted the molecular data (the comparative structures of proteins) obtained by them in this study in the light of the assumptions of the theory of evolution and of the dogma that birds evolved from dinosaurs. Since they already believed in a supposed evolutionary link between birds and dinosaurs right from the outset, they interpreted similarities between proteins as the products of a fictitious process of evolution. The New York Times, which follows a Darwinist line, reported the study in misleading and strongly expressed terms, saying that it has now been firmly established that the carnivore Tyrannosaurus rex is the ancestor of modern birds. This is mere evolutionist propaganda      for the rest of the article http://www.darwinism-watch.com/index.php?git=makale&makale_id=1525
infact this article proves only one thing   that Tyrannosaurus rex tastes like chicken  Grin

I don't dispute the existence of god - to do so would be as stupid asserting god's existence with certainty. Atheists wind me up; they're still fundamentalists - just coming from the other direction.

Sorry James you lost me    if you don't dispute the existence of god surely that means you accept it and therefore believe in god and if thats the case than it would be wise asserting god's existence with certainty

47  General / The Forum / Re: Barack Obama for president! on: June 06, 2008, 15:29:35
It looks like Obama gave AIPAC a better blowjob than Clinton or McCain did
48  General / The Forum / Re: if islamic fundamentalists don't bomb america on: May 31, 2008, 12:35:11
am afraid i have to agree with the complainants   just look at the picture

her scarf is ridiculously out of season and clashed with the pink blossom on the trees behind     the Palestinian scarf also comes in red and white and blue and white she clearly should have gone for the red one Roll Eyes





49  General / The Forum / Re: DJ's needed: Monday 23rd June on: May 17, 2008, 05:39:19
if you want minimal/electro then i'll do it.
or i can play breaks/wonk!
 Smiley


isn't that the same as wonky breaks?  Undecided
50  General / The Forum / Re: Happy Birthday James Kallendar!!!!!!!!!! on: May 11, 2008, 07:27:58
Bit late from me as I was out all day yesterday and came home to no connection on hijack.

 Script

no its bull i didn't realy know but appy birth day kid may you live long enough to scratch with your bell end  Smashed
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