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151  General / The Forum / Re: Why 'gay' needs to stop being used as a derogatory term... on: April 11, 2013, 18:39:09
I wasn't referring to you... Two Thumbs

I don't think you hate gay people, but I do think you're defending harmful behaviour. Our intent isn't magic, what we mean and what other people interpret are not always the same thing.
152  General / The Forum / Re: Thatcher - Ding Dong the Bitch is dead. on: April 11, 2013, 15:46:56

We are 30 years down the line and still clueless about how to supply high quality jobs for the masses.


My issue isn't that they closed at all, it's that all of them closed so very close together and the government just didn't care what the people in those places did instead. Ultimately though I agree, she was an excellent capitalist and capitalism is the problem.

point 1 - this is the big issue - and will continue to be, probably for ever. so why deliberately destroy people's jobs, further exacerbating the problem?

point 2 - capitalism is the problem; yes. what shall we replace it with?

It seems to me that any replacement needs to put a connection between ownership and labour at its core, but as to what role a state should play in such a system it's hard to say

It's very clear to me that the quality of life and the freedoms we enjoy in this country come at a very direct cost to those in less fortunate nations so for me whatever replaces it would have to be built with a sense of internationalism in mind
153  General / The Forum / Re: Thatcher - Ding Dong the Bitch is dead. on: April 11, 2013, 15:11:16

I'm not sure the government had as such choice as you think. I find it almost impossible to see how we could still have large scale mining, dock, steel and shipbuilding industries. The work was either non existent or going overseas. What would labour have done? Other than ignore the situation because any realistic (e.g funded) action I can imagine would have been unacceptable to the unions.  And although the car industry in this country is already quite successful (just before the last crash we were producing about 95% of the 1972 peak), were you to somehow make it twice as large overnight it still wouldn't employ the sorts of numbers it used to. That's modern production for you. Modernisation always leads to job losses for the same output. And in a global market place you cant afford not to. That sort of changes requires a generation or more to prepare for. Who saw it coming and took action in the 60s or 70s? This isn't a defence of thatcher, it's a criticism of a generation of politician and union leaders. Between them they doomed large scale mass manufacturing in this country by failing to keep up with the rest of the world, then they failed a generation by failing to prepare them for the needs of a modern economy. Sadly that's still happening today.
So in 1979 with severly restricted finances what exactly are you supposed to replace these old high quality jobs with?
We are 30 years down the line and still clueless about how to supply high quality jobs for the masses.
As to the rest of your points I pretty much agree, sadly it would take a generation to fix the underlying issues and I see no movement on the fundermental need, which is world class education for everyone. Without education you'll never get high quality jobs back in large numbers(and even then there is so much more that's needed but a well educated workforce is essential). There is just no room for several million workers with barely any formal education in a modern economy.  

Anyway if you think the job losses were bad in the 80s wait till we all own decent 3D printers and virtually all factories become redundant.

My issue isn't that they closed at all, it's that all of them closed so very close together and the government just didn't care what the people in those places did instead. Ultimately though I agree, she was an excellent capitalist and capitalism is the problem.
154  General / The Forum / Re: Thatcher - Ding Dong the Bitch is dead. on: April 10, 2013, 22:47:42
It wasn't the mines that was lost mate it was the entire livelihood for massive regions of this country

Something like 3 million jobs destroyed in a very short amount of time, all regionally localized, what the fuck were people supposed to do in the face of unemployment like that?

Closing mines one at a time, making sure investment helped affected regions recover, harsh but maybe for the best in the long term. What was done instead, ridiculous

Sadly as the last 30 years have shown it is frighteningly difficult to replace traditional industries. Modern manufacturing has approximately fuck all need for millions of poorly educated workers with redundant skills. And modernisation is incredibly expensive! where was the money gonna come from? we spent every oenny of oil cash we had and (at least initially) raised taxes. Despite a lot of effort and money (in recent times, obviously not thatcher) the best the government has been able to offer is jobs in fucking call centres. But then no country appears to have answered what you do with the massed industrial classes in a post industrial world. (Also its not just Britain who have shed large amounts of industrial jobs, Germany, the US and Japan have also need numbers drop by 30-50% since the 70s (to be fair at a steadier rate, but they didn't have the same massive 'structural' issues with their industrial base or economies as the uk did by the late 70s))
Anyway, if the government wants to see manufacturing as a significant employer again (it's already approx twice as valuable (inflation adjusted) as it was in 1979..) then it will have to significantly improve average educational attainment. But they've had 40 years to think about it and done fuck all. That was half the problem really, generations of boys leaving school with nothing because they were set to follow dad and grandad down the mines, docks etc.
We still seriously struggle to find suitable employees with decent enducation and motivation. particually for jobs were we offer the training. The best workers just aren't interested in manufacture even tho modern roles in high tech industries are nothing like the old style of jobs.

The thing that makes me completely livid is you've got a massive chunk of society quite deliberately made no longer necessary by the conservative party without suggestion or assistance for what they might do instead; and these people, are now demonised as "scroungers" unwilling to do a day's work in jobs that don't even exist, and then made to fucking work for free anyway for big companies (who are donating fucktonnes of money to the fucking tory party) just to get the fifty fucking quid a week we've decided is a bit more than you can starve on, so that they can spend the change on a handful of beers at the end of the week and get demonised for that too. It makes me fucking furious.
155  General / The Forum / Re: Why 'gay' needs to stop being used as a derogatory term... on: April 10, 2013, 22:36:47
The thing is steve, all three of those meanings are still tightly grouped together. The happy and carefree became a term for the gay stereotype, which gay people then reclaimed for themselves, and snotty nosed kids then started using as an insult. The word works in multiple contexts, but it's still all one word really.

Plus I'm not being funny, when a gay person tells you it was genuinely harmful to their upbringing you don't get to say "no, sorry, my abstract opinion as a straight person is that your lived experience as a gay person is wrong". You listen to people from groups you don't belong to when they're telling you what it's like to belong to that group. Even if you want to weasel about etymology, if it's harmful and someone does it anyway that makes them a bit of a shit
156  General / The Forum / Re: Thatcher - Ding Dong the Bitch is dead. on: April 10, 2013, 17:53:37
It wasn't the mines that was lost mate it was the entire livelihood for massive regions of this country

Something like 3 million jobs destroyed in a very short amount of time, all regionally localized, what the fuck were people supposed to do in the face of unemployment like that?

Closing mines one at a time, making sure investment helped affected regions recover, harsh but maybe for the best in the long term. What was done instead, ridiculous
157  General / The Forum / Re: Broadmead is for poorz on: April 10, 2013, 17:50:52
I used to say shoes but then Asos happened and now I don't hesitate to do it, they make returns so effortless

The main difficulty with shopping online for me comes from having to be home to take the delivery
158  General / The Forum / Re: Why 'gay' needs to stop being used as a derogatory term... on: April 10, 2013, 14:45:04
Normally I despair of references to this book but the people saying words aren't important, have you not read 1984? Words are absolutely massively important, words determine the way we think about things.
159  General / The Forum / Re: Why 'gay' needs to stop being used as a derogatory term... on: April 10, 2013, 12:27:38
great post whalemonster, thanks for sharing  Two Thumbs
160  General / The Forum / Re: Broadmead is for poorz on: April 09, 2013, 16:25:17
is 'the mall' what they're calling Cribbs or the Galleries now?
161  General / The Forum / Re: Thatcher - Ding Dong the Bitch is dead. on: April 09, 2013, 10:43:18
Also, the only female Mason. Ever.

Nope.

I can see why she is so hated, as are most despots that seize power via a brutal coup d'etat... Oh, she was elected? 3 times? Oh. But EVERYONE hated her right?

Politics is so confusing.  Huh

You get a choice of two...
162  General / The Forum / Re: Broadmead is for poorz on: April 08, 2013, 16:06:10
The real tipping point was of course the new primark...
163  General / The Forum / Re: New tax year new ISA on: April 08, 2013, 16:04:00
I work in finance, specifically designing, building and maintaining savings accounts. This seems like all the risky bits of investment without any of the protection. Yes the concept is similar, but unlike instruments that have solid tracking these are just singular people that could easily just not pay back. What governance is there around repayments? Whose liability is it to get the repayments back if repayments falter?

from the look of it, your money is split up into 10 chunks and lent to hundreds of people; the idea is that you might lose a few chunks to default but on average you're fine.
164  General / The Forum / Re: Thatcher - Ding Dong the Bitch is dead. on: April 08, 2013, 16:02:31
Thatcherism hasn't died, a little old lady with dementia has died. The things she believed in and the things she pushed for, they're as strong as they've ever been. I'm really not sorry she's dead but it seems to me a pretty hollow victory.
165  General / The Forum / Re: New tax year new ISA on: April 08, 2013, 10:06:55
Not looking for ISAs or the like atm, but as & when I have funds that I can afford to lock away for 1+ years it will probably go to Zopa.

Those returns look amazing, is there a catch there? Presumably you could expect to lose a small amount of it to defaults but not enough to no longer be better off?
166  General / The Forum / Re: What about this unseasonably low humidity then? on: April 05, 2013, 15:36:09
My feet have cracked soles and I keep waking up with mandy-mouth
167  General / The Forum / Re: ★ TRiBE of FRoG ★ Last frog party in Bristol until Autumn ★ 27th April ★ LAKOTA on: April 05, 2013, 13:52:38
Colour- woo!
168  General / The Exchange / Re: 570$ Underground Dating Tips, Eclusive, only 9 copies sold on: April 02, 2013, 15:14:41
I love how he's using "only 9 copies sold" as a selling point and not as a hint
169  General / The Forum / Re: Glastonbury will always be Glastonbury......but...... on: March 28, 2013, 10:30:09
Portishead!

As someone who's not really into the pyramid stage stuff (except Alt-J maybe) I'm really happy with the lineup; there's a decent handful of interesting people I want to see and I'm going for the experience rather than to see specific people anyway. Arcadia!
170  General / The Forum / Re: Justin Bieber appreciation thread on: March 27, 2013, 23:33:53
or is he google made sentient
171  General / The Forum / Re: Justin Bieber appreciation thread on: March 27, 2013, 19:38:57
He makes music for 12 year olds and is apparently pretty good at it; don't understand where all the hate comes from really, it's not my thing but I don't expect everything to appeal to me!
172  General / The Forum / Re: Stop The Cyborgs. on: March 27, 2013, 15:42:22
Getting rid of the machines won't help. Western labour is far too expensive for that to work. It's a combination of massive automation and exploitation of cheaper labour in developing nations that's propping up our unsustainable consumerist culture.
173  General / The Forum / Re: Ninja Flapjack of death on: March 26, 2013, 22:07:20
I mean at least with a triangle you've only got three chances to get hit by the corner

The real scandal here is the overcooking of flapjacks
174  General / The Forum / Re: Stop The Cyborgs. on: March 26, 2013, 14:52:15
One is reminded of Russia, where it's pretty much mandatory to have a camera fitted to your car in case somebody claims you caused an accident
175  General / The Forum / Re: World War Z on: March 26, 2013, 10:19:17
I'm struggling to think of a film that deviated this far from source material in recent years.

Battleships?

Not seen it. Does it involve a fleet of ships attacking another fleet by blindly firing over the horizon?

I think it's full of aliens, I haven't seen it
176  General / The Forum / Re: World War Z on: March 25, 2013, 18:43:31
I'm struggling to think of a film that deviated this far from source material in recent years.

Battleships?
177  General / The Forum / Re: Eating meat after 4 years on: March 24, 2013, 19:35:25
178  General / The Forum / Re: Hijack Celebrity death Pool 2013 on: March 23, 2013, 23:20:06
nazing zo zee 'ere
179  General / The Forum / Re: Eating meat after 4 years on: March 23, 2013, 15:40:35
Congratulations on your first step to becoming a real man.

can confirm, after I stopped eating meat my desire to wave my cock at random people and start fights in nightclubs near enough completely disappeared
180  General / The Forum / Re: Today I have spoken to a lady called... on: March 22, 2013, 21:22:33
spent more time than I would care to admit looking for this thread

181  General / The Forum / Re: Anyone else feeling a bit ill? on: March 21, 2013, 14:53:15
Update: I have viral tonsillitis. Wouldn't wish it upon any of you. Painkillers wear off after around 6 hours so you go to sleep, wake up 6 hours later with your throat just burning with pain, thick saliva pooling in you throat and when you try to draw it up to swallow it, it burns twice as bad.

Then you have to wait half an hour for the painkillers to kick in before you can sleep again.

on the other hand, codeine gives you lovely dreams!
182  General / The Forum / Re: Anyone else feeling a bit ill? on: March 18, 2013, 22:04:54
YES. Sore throat, digestive system not playing ball, completely exhausted, running a temperature.

Came on super fast, was feeling fine then an hour later I could barely walk home I felt so crap.
183  General / The Forum / Re: Erm...Did Dwight from The Office just get made pope? on: March 15, 2013, 11:03:31
Quote
One of the first engagements of the new Pope will be to come to the city of Rio de Janeiro to help celebrate World Youth Day from 23 to 28 July

 Eek

A high point in the NAMBLA calendar

North American Marlon Brando Lookalike Association?

Nice Arse My Boy! Like Anal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKvAKef3vno
184  General / The Forum / Re: Eight months a piece on: March 11, 2013, 18:53:33
Don't see the point of putting them in prison at all, it's stupid expensive and they're not a danger to anyone...
185  General / The Forum / Re: Hidden Orchestra @ The Thekla. This Saturday on: March 10, 2013, 12:20:06
Great gig :-)
186  General / The Forum / Re: Looking for a small venue with a late license - 50-80 capacity on: March 06, 2013, 17:02:15
Bijou or The Cavern could suit you
187  General / The Forum / Re: Heavy traffic Stokes Croft/Cheltenham road on: March 06, 2013, 15:43:06
Hope they're OK...
188  General / The Forum / Re: Nurse refuses to perform CPR despite 911 dispatcher's plea on: March 06, 2013, 15:42:37
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/06/woman-died-nurse-cpr-family?INTCMP=SRCH
189  General / The Forum / Re: I've been a nupty, advice please! on: March 06, 2013, 12:35:14
I've done the exact same thing before but luckily caught a bright red one before it got to the baliff stage but the lady on the phone I spoke to from EDF said it had been about to reach that point. I told them it was nothing to do with me and gave them contact details for the letting agent.

If they do come: do not let the baliffs in; be extremely firm about the fact that the person does not live there; politely explain that the baliff does NOT have permission nor right to be on your property and that they are trespassing.
190  General / The Forum / Re: A lucky escape? on: March 06, 2013, 00:21:20
If you use it while it's open dust will probably get where it shouldn't but considering it's already had a beer in it probably not the end of the world.
191  General / The Forum / Re: Hidden Orchestra @ The Thekla. This Saturday on: March 06, 2013, 00:19:15
thank god you made this thread or I would have missed it. Stoked Smiley
192  General / The Forum / Re: A lucky escape? on: March 05, 2013, 16:19:44
Have a good clean in there once you get inside. (not with water obvs, with electronics cleaner)
193  General / The Forum / Re: Nurse refuses to perform CPR despite 911 dispatcher's plea on: March 04, 2013, 09:47:22
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203918304577243321242833962.html
194  General / The Forum / Re: Nurse refuses to perform CPR despite 911 dispatcher's plea on: March 04, 2013, 00:25:15
Something like only 3% of people receiving CPR from in-Hospital doctors with full equipment and whatever else recover without serious brain damage. It's different in that it was a nurse, but in a general sense amateurs doing CPR are unlikely to leave things in a better state than when they found them and it's one of those things where TV rules aren't the same as real life.
195  General / The Forum / Re: Table for sale. on: March 03, 2013, 20:25:21
I think I can safely say that that is the worst table I have ever seen.
196  General / The Forum / Re: Lunch on the Triangle V on: March 02, 2013, 20:15:24
this thread smells of lynx africa

this was hilarious
197  General / The Forum / Re: Hijackers, too fat to post? on: March 02, 2013, 17:57:18
Anybody got any good drugs cocktail recipes?

mandy at 11PM, 2c-b at 2AM and a joint and a valium when you get in
198  General / The Forum / Re: French: L' / d' / la etc...!? on: February 28, 2013, 13:02:22
not as bad as that guy who k-holed in a library and then joined the boards though
199  General / The Forum / Re: French: L' / d' / la etc...!? on: February 27, 2013, 17:41:48
I have to say I'm particularly impressed that you wanted this information in order to make puns in a foreign language
200  General / The Forum / Re: Dread theft in SA on: February 27, 2013, 14:53:52
Just feel really sorry for them really

Those in SA or the other thread?

haha

no people in SA getting attacked in the street and their hair hacked off
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