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6851  General / The Forum / Re: Old into new on: October 21, 2002, 21:16:44
Golden brown might be quite interesting.   Shifting time signatures to 7/4 for sections of the tune might be just what d'n'b needs.   Maybe a speedy broken beat rework, hmm..

Anyone remember Suv's foray into 3/4?

Maybe 'Bike' and 'Money' by Pink Floyd would provide useful warm-ups for the weird-time-signature-remix kru...  Huh

That's 5 and 7 beats per bar respectively for all you non-Floydites  Cool
6852  General / The Forum / Re: Old into new on: October 21, 2002, 18:27:41
Howzabout Mozart's queen of the night aria in a cheesy jump-up stylee?
6853  General / The Forum / Re: Downloading unreleased material on: October 21, 2002, 18:01:22
Interesting comments -we seem to agree that sharing dubs is inevitable given the current scene... Do other club-based music genres have dubplate culture? I suspect so, but I don't ever remember hearing complaints about them.

Personally, when I'm in a club I generally don't recognise a tune as being a dub. I do, however, recognise a storming plate that tears up the dancefloor. Which I would rather hear should be obvious. I don't care whether it's a dub, or was released in 1983. If the same is true of most clubbers, then the days of weak DJs playing dub heavy sets without really getting the dancefloor going, will thankfully be numbered.

Jem seems to be suggesting that a tighter distribution of dubs amongst the big boys & girls would be a bad thing, but I'm not so sure. I have no problem with good producers holding on tightly to their own material. Hearing someone showcase their own unreleased music can be pretty damn good, and often as close to a live set as you get these days. If most DJs relied more on promo releases to obtain their tunes (as I believe the case is with house, for example), perhaps everyone would be happier. I can go and buy a promo release, and satiate my desire to own good tunes asap. The producers are happy, because their DJ sets are far more exclusive. Good, up and coming DJs should be happier, because with dubs out of the picture, DJ bookings are based on talent rather than what's in their record box. The only people who aren't happy are talentless DJs who don't produce...

If we as clubbers continue to shell out to see lame DJs playing tedious, yet dub heavy, sets then we only have ourselves to blame.

6854  General / The Forum / Re: Tomatoes on: October 21, 2002, 14:47:12
Yeah, you'll end up with a dire chi-squared with only 3 female responses. In order to even it up a bit, I can tell you that my friend Liz refuses to eat raw tomatoes, and will only eat cooked ones if etiquette dictates she must.
6855  General / The Forum / Re: The board is nothing but a page of adverts on: October 18, 2002, 21:02:57

But the real meaning is in the squares.  There are four digits in the number 4444.  4 is a square number, as is the sum of the digits, 16.

4+4+4+4 = 16

4x4x4x4 = 256, another square number, whose root is actually 16, weird eh?

Well quite, but it's all because 2+2=4 :

((x^2) ^ (x^2)) ^ 1/2 = (x^2)^x = x ^ x

In general, the ratio of the product to the sum of the digits of an n digit number, where each digit has the value n and n<10, is n^(n-2).

6856  General / The Forum / Re: Tomatoes on: October 18, 2002, 20:36:06
Lata mate, you really have been burning the candle at both ends for too long....  :barmy-emoticon:

FYI, I happen to think the tomato is the best fruit going, raw or cooked .
And I'm male.
6857  General / The Forum / Re: defining Broken Beat on: October 09, 2002, 15:53:38
Actually, that sounds unfair; if you delve beyond the ornamentation, the article is pretty interesting  Cool
6858  General / The Forum / Re: defining Broken Beat on: October 09, 2002, 15:50:10

After pondering the maiden stanzas of this pandect for a few rotations of the sand-glass, I failed to fathom their tenor. The author seems to gravitate toward prolixity, rather than pithiness...

But then again, what can you expect from a music academic/hack Wink  Actually, I love the words 'diaspora' and 'simulcrea', even when they appear with a frequency approaching once per paragraph Smiley Smiley Smiley
6859  General / The Forum / Re: Sigur Ros and Son of Bastard Pop at the Cube on: October 07, 2002, 15:16:58
'Ere, the Osymyso site is currently content-free (apart from the classic intro-inspection mp3) and the other link doesn't appear to exist. The Cube site (http://www.cubecinema.com) does have some useful info, though...
6860  General / The Forum / Re: NITIN SAWHNEY - 17th Oct at the Academy on: October 03, 2002, 21:18:54
Jimma, sounds like you've had too many beers already.... You said you'd be going, and you also said it would be good  Grin  EZ Roller's - I believe you've heard of them?
6861  General / The Forum / Re: NITIN SAWHNEY - 17th Oct at the Academy on: October 02, 2002, 22:21:38
And I can't go to Reaction either because I have to go home that day - that's two owwies!  

Well you'll just have to party twice as hard at Rukkus the day before, then, won't you  Wink  I assume the Jimma will be reprazentin, and I can't make Reaction either...
6862  General / The Forum / Re: NITIN SAWHNEY - 17th Oct at the Academy on: October 02, 2002, 16:24:58
No, it don't look good. On further inspection http://www.nitinsawhney.com says that his Autumn tour has been postponed until 2003, due to the recording schedule for his new album 'Human'. And http://www.bristol-academy.co.uk has 'Comeplay' listed for the 17th...  Sad
6863  General / The Forum / Re: NITIN SAWHNEY - 17th Oct at the Academy on: October 02, 2002, 13:26:40
Sure you got the right date? nitinsawhney.com webting says it's the 29th...

--- ignore the jinx monopoly massiv ---
6864  General / The Forum / Re: Soul in Jungle on: September 25, 2002, 16:20:20
Well, I don't have a particularly strong opinion about the other tracks, and I'm not his biggest fan, but I got a bit hooked by  the riff on Closer  Smiley In an attempt stay on topic, I should say that I don't think it has a great deal of soul, but that doesn't stop it being fun...

So there to you too. Twice.  Tongue And no returns.
6865  General / The Forum / Re: Soul in Jungle on: September 25, 2002, 11:03:55

Haha, Jim!  You crack me up, man!  But yeah, a good point; I think that it's slowing down again now; you can only go so far beyone 180 before you get to techno, and then you can't even make out the breakbeats.  I think that we're going to turn a corner and slow down again, return to the old junglist cheapo keyboard riffs and raw sawage basslines.  Cheesy

Hmmm, that would be cool. I like the idea of revamping the old stylez. But I wonder if 180 really is a limit? I remember someone writing in '95ish about how drum n bass couldn't get any faster, but it's gone at least 10bpm faster since. And it doesn't sound too fast to me. Take the 60 minute man Summertime EP for example - 'Closer' is a wicked track - but it's going at the best part of 180 well before jimma speeds it up by +2...

6866  General / The Forum / Re: Soul in Jungle on: September 24, 2002, 16:38:06
Maybe im getting old (or its because i listen to breaks) but when i listen to it these days it just all seems so sped up! Not just the actual tempo but it sounds as if the whole master has been pitched up before being pressed because all the drum sounds and reverb tails coming off the sounds appear sped up. Has it actually got faster?

Oh yeah, massively. It's interesting playing with Traktor (which does a pretty good job of calculating the tempo). The old stuff from '94/5 tends to be in the 160bpm range, whereas everything I've heard this year is at least 170bpm, and often approaching 180... The thing about this kind of speed is that normal reverb lengths etc. will make the pattern sound messy, so you have to use a shorter sound (I think, but then I'm not a programmer, so this probably is all bollocks....) Also, a more complex break is going to sound messy, which is maybe why the patterns sound a bit formulaic to some people.

I must say I found some of the 170+ stuff a bit silly at first, but you get used to it. Dnb has always had the half-tempo thing going on, too - the thing most people actually dance to.

Anyway, keep it up - this thread is a lot more interesting than many...

@jimma - the definitions came from www.dictionary.com, which often does provide slightly peculiar quotes.
6867  General / The Forum / Re: HIGH CONTRAST on: September 23, 2002, 21:42:28
Have fun tonight, you bunch of lucky gets. I would be down there, but I'm languishing in Geneva, a city utterly devoid of drum n bass....  Sad
6868  General / The Forum / Re: SKYHOOK - Insiders, Freakeasy, Skitz and Rodne on: September 23, 2002, 13:37:56
The pissed bird that collapsed on me was definitely on the wrong (jailbait) side of 20... I ended up carrying her off the dancefloor, cos it seemed like she was gonna get stomped on otherwise. She was well out of it, and well embarassed when she came round!

But yeah, no respect going out to the unconscious massive.
6869  General / The Forum / Re: Soul in Jungle on: September 23, 2002, 13:24:25
i dont think that straight-forward d'n'b has soul ever, but i find that jungle and more innovative d'n'b that makes you think and can almost take youon a journey definitely has soul.

Whilst we're on the subject of defintions, you seem to be drawing quite a clear distinction between "straight-forward d'n'b" and "jungle". You shouldn't assume that everyone else makes the same distinction; I don't and this is as clear as mud to me.

Anyway, I found this defintion of 'soul' :

1. The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
2. The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human.
4. A human: “the homes of some nine hundred souls” (Garrison Keillor).
5. The central or integral part; the vital core: “It saddens me that this network... may lose its soul, which is after all the quest for news” (Marvin Kalb).
6. A person considered as the perfect embodiment of an intangible quality; a personification: I am the very soul of discretion.
7. A person's emotional or moral nature: “An actor is... often a soul which wishes to reveal itself to the world but dare not” (Alec Guinness).
8. A sense of ethnic pride among Black people and especially African Americans, expressed in areas such as language, social customs, religion, and music.
9. A strong, deeply felt emotion conveyed by a speaker, a performer, or an artist.
10. Soul music.

Presumably we're talking about #9 here?
6870  General / The Forum / Re: METRIC >>> New Weekly D&B session in Bristol on: September 20, 2002, 19:14:43
Nah, she's blatantly caned and blowing smoke rings Wink
6871  General / The Forum / Re: the history of jungle on: September 20, 2002, 17:26:17
"we are e" (or whatever it's called) is SUCH a wicked tune Grin

I'm sure I've even heard it down Shades quite recently...

And it was on a 1xtra promo CD too... it's everywhere!

Distinctive released about a dozen remixes of it a few years ago, which might have had something to do with it.... It is a wicked choon, tho
6872  General / The Forum / Re: HIGH CONTRAST on: September 20, 2002, 17:02:45
Much though I hate to be pedantic, that's not debate, it's just a series of questions....  Wink
6873  General / The Forum / Re: the history of jungle on: September 20, 2002, 16:51:58
Mmmm, nice. These 80's tracks aren't just the history of drum n bass, though, they're the history of techno & house & trance & lots of other shit. Some seriously influencial tracks here....
6874  General / The Forum / Re: HIGH CONTRAST on: September 20, 2002, 15:00:19
Keep it coming guys... All bumps appreciated...

If the debate here gets any hotter my screen will catch fire.
6875  General / The Forum / Re: SKYHOOK - Insiders, Freakeasy, Skitz and Rodne on: September 20, 2002, 14:14:22
Respec to Freakeasy. I never heard em before, and they were a lot better than I expected, being the cynic that I am. And apart from random pissed-up kids collapsing everywhere, last night was a good 'un.
6876  General / The Forum / Re: MAX TUNRDA @ the cube, friday 20th september on: September 20, 2002, 13:51:36
@jimma - add user ElPoussah in slsk, and grab his latest album from me if ya want...

or you could leave it as a nice surprise for this evening, of course
6877  General / The Forum / Re: METRIC >>> New Weekly D&B session in Bristol on: September 19, 2002, 22:43:36
Oh yeah, nice line-up too Wink Specially at £3 a pop...

6878  General / The Forum / Re: METRIC >>> New Weekly D&B session in Bristol on: September 19, 2002, 22:38:09
Mmmm, like the flyer!  Cool
6879  General / The Forum / Re: Soul in Jungle on: September 19, 2002, 22:31:39
At the moment Im feeling that Jungle is not nearly as exciting as it has been. without a doubt there is far more diversity nowadays than ever before. And All styles still excite me. But nothing will get me going as hearing tunes like R-type, Studio One Lick. Mash dem down or the Burial.

It's hardly surprising that you're less excited by current tunes than you were in the good ole' days. The music was less well established then, and the more ground that gets broken, the more exciting the track is, right? I don't think it's really fair to compare current tunes with stuff that has sentimental value without trying to be obective in some way.

In some respects I know what you're saying about formulaic beat patterns, though. Jungle has depended heavily in the past on maintaining interest through innovative rhythym, but this is naturally going to be increasingly difficult to keep up. This is probably a good thing, though, because it forces people to explore new directions. In music, good always comes through diversity. I think.

Sorry, none of this has much to do with soul....
6880  General / The Forum / Re: Infidelity Vs Drive By..... Round1: Fight! on: September 18, 2002, 21:37:01
Where is Infidelity, and who is playing - are these things all going on this weekend?

Yep, too much to choose from mate. Infidelity is at the Academy, costs a tenner, and the flyer says :

Hype, Andy C, Ed Rush, Darren Jay, Skibadee, Dett, Shabba D, Blaze
6881  General / The Forum / Re: LOCUS/Metalheadz - Fri 27 Sept -  J Majik & DJ on: September 13, 2002, 23:17:36
i'm lookin forward to this one Grin...got some FAT new tunes to play...you really don't want to miss this event people Shocked

No, I bloody well don't. Somehow I'm gonna have to get there from Geneva, though. Maybe it'll count as another tick in Rit's LOCUS international guest book....
6882  General / The Forum / Re: laurent garnier anyone? on: September 06, 2002, 14:54:25
Now that really IS tempting Smiley I saw him play at Lakota back in the good ole days ('95 I think - yeah, I feel pretty fuckin old...)

Anyway, it was one of the most memorable nights I've been to. He was dropping bits of disco classics into the most thumping techno set I'd ever heard Cool and the crowd was going absolutely mental. Don't think I've really experienced anything like it since...  Cry
6883  General / The Forum / Re: Does DNB actually have any musical longevity?? on: September 04, 2002, 19:51:56
just thought of something  Shocked

we will all be deaf in 5 to 10 years anyway so what's the point.

cain it while it lasts people Grin

I'm deaf (no seriously, I am) but I can still enjoy a good night of dnb. And the deafer I get, the more I can appreciate other forms of music. Acid techno nights at the Depot make so much sense to me now  Wink
6884  General / The Forum / Re: What the funk...? on: September 04, 2002, 18:59:19
Damn. I must learn to type faster. I'm always about four posts behind the argument....
6885  General / The Forum / Re: What the funk...? on: September 04, 2002, 18:52:54
I don't think there's really a problem in 1-xtra being promoted as a black radio station, as long as it really does represent something the black community can identify with. This, presumably, is the point of 1-xtra; it's not actually about playing 'black' music, but playing music that black people want to listen to. There's a subtle difference. And the need for this, and Lata's family's Indian radio, is because the likes of Radio 1,2,3&4 aren't already achieving this.

What I think I'm saying is that catering for ethnic minorities, and catering for junglists are two *completely* different things. And the fact that I'm a white bloke who likes the music played on 1-xtra (I've absolutely no idea if this is true, cos I've never tuned in) is irrelevant as far as the point of 1-xtra is concerned....?

6886  General / The Forum / Re: Your thoughts on this line up please!!!!! on: September 03, 2002, 17:54:09
We have to do something about these damn trolls...see the "guest posting" sticky topic.

Get some hobgoblins to beat em up.... Wink

We should try and ignore the likes of 'ilovenickyblackmarket'. They might then fuck off back to Dogs where they belong... Anyone with a serious point to make will/should post under the same name every time...
6887  General / The Forum / Re:  LOCUS presents Swerve Bristol - Fri 30 Aug 20 on: August 31, 2002, 22:22:28
Oh my golly gosh, was it good. I haven't had an experience like that for years; felt like every single goddamn tune put a great big Grin across my face.... Respect to all the DJs, producers and promoters who give us this music, I love it! Nice one Rit Wink

Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
6888  General / The Forum / Re: tuesday night - my last gig in town on: August 28, 2002, 20:02:27
Awwww sheeit. Only got back from foreign parts today, so I missed it Cry  Dunno what I'm gonna do on Tuesday nights now but hope the Italian job goes well, Ben...  Smiley
6889  General / The Forum / Re: Lakota on: August 14, 2002, 15:56:10
Yeah, it'll be a shame if Lakota goes, I've had some truly wicked nights there. But I'd almost rather have seen it remain shut when it closed a few years ago. It's pretty sad going there now and seeing it so empty, when the queues used to reach right round the block.  Cry  Maybe people expect more than it can provide - because of its history - but going to Lakota never seems quite as good as it might any more...
6890  General / The Forum / Re: clean cut @ cosies friday 23rd august on: August 12, 2002, 20:47:10
@jonnies - go to www.streetmap.co.uk and type in "pritchard street" - it's near there.

The square is Portland Square, and Cosie's is near where Surrey St. joins the square. And it's a cellar bar - worth knowing what you're looking for. Oh, and it's a top joint too....
6891  General / The Forum / Re: CITIZEN KANED - a more liquid offering from PM on: August 11, 2002, 23:40:52
Sounds like a good choon, but it's hard to say cos I can only give it a proper listen with the download - which doesn't seem to be working  Huh (whichever link I use, I only get to save the .m3u rather than the .mp3)  Sad
6892  General / The Forum / Re: Drive By on: August 10, 2002, 22:33:42
No i do totally see what you are saying. It is just a common thing that from the origins of rave the last set has always been the privelege set Smiley i assume cos all the people are at their most buzzing by then or something? Smiley


Yeah, this struck me a while ago. Back in the day (well, when I first discovered clubbing), there were fewer nights to choose from, so you'd often find 90% of the crowd were on one and everyone would stay right til the end. And a 10-minute standing ovation for the headline DJ wasn't uncommon, so it definitely *was* a privilege to play last.

But these days, there are more nights and a greater cross section of society going to them. So a smaller proportion of the crowd are taking drugs, and people tend to leave much earlier. Lakota used to remain seriously packed until 4 every Saturday night, whereas now you see people leaving a club well before the night ends. This isn't neccessarily a bad thing, but I guess it makes the promoter's job more difficult because they're trying to please more than one type of crowd...

Still, I prefer to put me feet up in front of the fire with a pipe and a mug of cocoa these days anyway. Now where are me slippers?
6893  General / The Forum / Re: Could it be? on: August 08, 2002, 21:51:24
Dilly did "cover me", Photek did "I miss you", Goldie did "Isobels lonely heart", so there.

Ah yes, just found that out for myself, using the magic of google... And using the magic of soulseek, I've just listened to the first two. But they just sound a bit dated and dull to be honest, which can't be said for most Bjork original versions of that era, IMO Sad
6894  General / The Forum / Re: Could it be? on: August 08, 2002, 20:53:02
@Lata - Krust did a remix of Björk's "So Broken" - it's kinda quirky.

Mmmm, I like it, along with Grooverider's mix of 'Bachelorette' - which is even more quirky if anything Smiley

Didn't Dillinja do a mix of one of her tracks, years ago? I forget which one, or whether it was any good. I'm sure there were a couple, actually...   Huh
6895  General / The Forum / Re: howdy people on: August 08, 2002, 17:13:51


Do you guys share the same opinion?

Well, I don't share spikE's opinion. He says 'i give peace when given peace', which I think rather misses the whole point...  Roll Eyes

As for Britney, whilst we should of course respect her as a human being, I think a certain amount of disgust for the music industry that values $$$ above art is entirely reasonable... If anyone genuinely thinks Britney's tunes have artistic merit, then I respect that opinion. But I suspect most people who buy it don't really hold strong views on the music - it's entertainment so you're not supposed to think about it.

So yeah, we should have respect, but it's respect for different things and for different reasons, innit?
6896  General / The Forum / Re: Grooverider ft Lifford - What you do on: August 07, 2002, 17:10:27
Not a bad little number. It's not really my kinda cuppa, but should do well in the charts...

Thing is, after LK, and now this offering, Joe Public's gonna end up thinking DnB is all about twangy guitar riffs  Roll Eyes  Maybe benj_b should get on the case - jazzid guitar noodling is clearly next on the list  Wink
6897  General / The Forum / Re: Is it just me or on: August 05, 2002, 17:13:29
No mate, I agree... I thought all those moaning-woman tunes were shite first time round (there was a whole bunch of 'em, I seem to remember). And while the new bits of the remix are perfectly acceptable, the moaning is as cheap and tacky as it ever was, and that stupid organ really pisses me off...  Angry </rant>
6898  General / The Forum / Re: DnB or booze? on: July 19, 2002, 20:10:45
Oh no, now it's getting really messy. Not sure I like this game any more....  Cry

If it was

all breakbeat music    vs   the best of the rest

there'd be no contest. Not entirely sure who'd be on the opposing tag team, but breakbeat would wipe it's ass with 'em easy... But, I reckon jungle ain't strong enough to stand up to ALL it's breakbeat chums right now. Shit, what a thing to say on Hijack......  Embarrassed
6899  General / The Forum / Re: DnB or booze? on: July 19, 2002, 19:44:34
It's always jungle, Jem. No-one's ever gonna say booze, are they?

You have to add reefer (at least) to booze to get something anywhere near jungle. Then you could get very, very caned and listen to downtempo breakbeat all day....
6900  General / The Forum / Re: TeeBee Tunes on: July 10, 2002, 16:46:06
Probably realplayer only, Jimma. Makes it harder for those naughty little mp3 sharing fiends to rip it off, see...

BUT, it's probably worth installing Real just to listen to Evil Ways. Nice track Cheesy
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