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« on: February 21, 2007, 20:16:34 » |
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basically the government want people to have I.D cards to use a camera in a public place. WTF.. There are a number of moves promoting the requirement of 'ID' cards to allow photographers to operate in a public place. It is a fundamental right of a UK citizen to use a camera in a public place, indeed there is no right to privacy when in a public place. These moves have developed from paranoia and only promote suspicion towards genuine people following their hobby or profession. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Photography/  |
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2007, 20:18:56 » |
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sugned. was there a way of getting out having an id card at all? i really dont want one.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2007, 20:19:42 » |
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sugned. was there a way of getting out having an id card at all? i really dont want one.
i may be wrong but didnt the lib dems say they were gonna scrap them? |
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2007, 20:22:06 » |
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sugned. was there a way of getting out having an id card at all? i really dont want one.
i may be wrong but didnt the lib dems say they were gonna scrap them?  so im doomed then |
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2007, 20:23:08 » |
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there's another petit on there about no VAT on bikes. scrawl that one n all  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2007, 20:59:43 » |
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It is a fundamental right of a UK citizen to....
WRONG! No-one has a "right" to anything. The sooner everyone realises that and stops spouting that tedious fucking sentence the better. No offence Joe, I know you just cut and pasted that bit from the petition, it's just that this notion of guaranteed entilement is a bit Kilroy guest. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2007, 21:02:50 » |
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WRONG!
No-one has a "right" to anything.
but there are certain liberties which i would take for granted. like taking a picture of a friend in the street for example. id dispute that rights dont exist. a lot of them are implicit, active and invokable in the way that we live our lives. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2007, 21:04:12 » |
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We have no constitution thus we have no fundamental rights, only those afforded to us by local, national and international law which as we know can be changed at any time.
Democratic process or not.
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 21:07:05 » |
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We have no constitution thus we have no fundamental rights, only those afforded to us by local, national and international law which as we know can be changed at any time.
Democratic process or not.
why then do i not like the idea of having to carry an id to photograph in public places? i feel something is being encroached upon... edit: im not saying this is a fundamental right - just something which i assume will be allowed in a liberal democratic society |
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 21:08:44 » |
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We have no constitution thus we have no fundamental rights, only those afforded to us by local, national and international law which as we know can be changed at any time.
Democratic process or not.
why then do i not like the idea of having to carry an id to photograph in public places? i feel something is being encroached upon... Just because you feel you're being encroached upon does not make it a 'right'. Perhaps it should be, but currently it isn't. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2007, 21:12:08 » |
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We have no constitution thus we have no fundamental rights, only those afforded to us by local, national and international law which as we know can be changed at any time.
Democratic process or not.
why then do i not like the idea of having to carry an id to photograph in public places? i feel something is being encroached upon... Just because you feel you're being encroached upon does not make it a 'right'. Perhaps it should be, but currently it isn't. something like that should be a right in a liberal and democratic society, almost by definition. i guess i should just stop assuming thats what sort of society i live in. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2007, 21:59:04 » |
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The starting point for this protest is:
"There are a number of moves promoting the requirement of 'ID' cards to allow photographers to operate in a public place."
That's it - nothing else. No facts, no details of proposed legislation, public consultation, debates in parliament - nothing. Like the road tax petition which was earlier (so thoroughly) addressed and debunked by Tony Blair's email response, showing it to be premature to say the least, this one is also founded in hearsay and rumour.
This e-petitions system is great in letting people engage directly with parliament, but the problem is that people are also using it to start stupid petitions without having all the facts. There was one on there the other day petitioning the government to ban the PS3 because apparently it's just not as good as the XBox 360. 'Nuff said.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2007, 22:01:18 » |
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i let my knee jerk. it feels good.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2007, 22:02:46 » |
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Don't get me wrong, I signed the petition and absolutely agree that it should be a right, I'm just pointing out that technically it isn't.
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2007, 13:02:53 » |
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WRONG!
No-one has a "right" to anything.
but there are certain liberties which i would take for granted. like taking a picture of a friend in the street for example. id dispute that rights dont exist. a lot of them are implicit, active and invokable in the way that we live our lives. what about the right to not have your photo taken without permission/a copy. This basically stems from the amended Data Protection Act - it was extended to include video & pictures as well as personal data like your address etc. For example if you're at a free party, and there's a cop with a camcorder filming for 'evidence', you are legally entitled to a copy provided you pay an administration fee. Frankly most of these petitions are a joke and I can't believe people take them seriously. Tell your friends to stop sending you ridiculous spam ffs. |
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2007, 13:10:33 » |
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i think by photographers the petition is really getting at professional photographers, not people taking photos of their friends going shopping in Broadmead. Ditto Thinking people should have a choice whether their photo is taken and published, in the same way if you film in public you need to get people to sign contracts and things stating they don't mind being used in the broadcast.
But the irony is we are being filmed everyday in shops, in bars, in clubs even walking in the streets. We are captured unwillingly on film all day long and yet this is never by choice. So why should there be one rule for the government and another for the public?
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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2007, 13:13:22 » |
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But the irony is we are being filmed everyday in shops, in bars, in clubs even walking in the streets. We are captured unwillingly on film all day long and yet this is never by choice. So why should there be one rule for the government and another for the public?
read my post above - the DPA was amended specifically for this purpose. Granted you can be filmed without your express permission, but any company/organisation/government body retaining data in this way is governed by the DPA in order to protect the rights & privacy of the individual. This has been law for a number of years now. |
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2007, 13:30:04 » |
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Genius! That's the first decent one I've seen... That song is WAY better than the dirge we've got at the moment. Signed |
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2007, 13:39:35 » |
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sugned. was there a way of getting out having an id card at all? i really dont want one.
as far as i know, you're only forced to get one when your passport runs out. re new it and get a 10 year jobbie now to delay it as much as possible. |
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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2007, 09:23:06 » |
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basically the government want people to have I.D cards to use a camera in a public place. WTF..
I'll see your WTF and raise you an OMG. |
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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2007, 15:07:56 » |
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GO HERE SIGN THIS... http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Photography/THIS IS WHY...... Ok if any of you guys care about art, in particular photography and freedom of expression you all need to read this: The goverment are trying to making photography in public places a crime, in an attempt to shop peados and the pap!! If the bill is passed then you will have to apply for a special lience to take photographs in public, no matter who you are and what you're taking pictures of!! So sign the petition whether you take photos or not. It a fucking stupid idea. It's a little tedious, you have to follow a link from an email they send you, but it's worth it!! THERE NEEDS TO BE 750,00 SIGNTURES ON IT TO STOP IT GOING THOUGH!! |
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